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  1. 11 points
    Steve Mnuchin’s role is particularly interesting since it was CLEAR to me as someone who work in costumes and wardrobe that every aspect of Katherine Heigl’s costuming, makeup, and hair is supposed to look like Ivanka Trump. There is no way this wasn’t intentional.
  2. 9 points
    I haven't finished listening to the whole ep yet but before I forget, I want to talk a little bit about Wattpad and other apps like it, since (as some of you know) work in publishing. The audience member has a correct description of Wattpad. Plenty of original books and some fanfictions posted on there have been picked up my major publishers. Just this year they announced their own publishing arm. They had previous had a film arm which produced the Netflix movie "The Kissing Booth" which was written on Wattpad and was one of the most watched movies on Netflix for several months. But, as June points out, it would be odd to have an editor at the Wattpad 2017, since they only announced their publishing line this year--unless she is some kind of content editor which it didn't seem like she was. I think in this case the "ChapterPad" of the movie might also have been inspired by some other publishing start-ups of the time. With smart phones getting more popular, a lot of people were intrigued by the idea of people reading on their phones (and 70% of traffic on Wattpad is from mobile devices). There were companies that would send you a chapter of a story each day to your email, for example. Alternatively, it could be an app you subscribed to that would provide the content. In this case, I could see why Rosario Dawson would be needed as an editor, and why she would have to do things by chapter, rather than all at once. This kind of publishing is called "serial" (not like the food, like the killer). It used to be quite popular when newspapers and magazines were the thing. Most of Charles Dickens' novels, which we now read in long form, were originally serialized in the newspaper. Here is a NYT article from the time about some of the "new" apps: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/books/review/new-apps-provide-a-world-of-literature-one-chapter-at-a-time.html Publishing likes to find ways to make new things do the old way, instead of imagining what the new things could do.
  3. 9 points
    This can't be a shirt... but it deserves to be made! #illbearookandtakethatcastle #notmycastle #paulscheernewcastle #paulscheeriscastle?
  4. 8 points
    I’d like you talk for a second about Tessa and her mother singing Alouette. A jaunty French traditional tune that a lot of people recognize from French class or pop culture in general... but when translated is a fairly violent song. The English translation: Lovely Skylark, lovely little Skylark lovely skylark, I’ll pluck your feathers off. Each verse then describes each part of the bird that they will pluck the feathers from. A telling song for 2 women who pick and pluck at each other (and Lilly) metaphorically... and then perhaps literally when Tessa angrily cuts Lilly’s hair. Ultimately a smart little Easter egg for a pretty dumb movie.
  5. 7 points
    The absolute most irresponsible part of this movie is that it perpetuates the dangerous myth that getting gut-stabbed will kill a person instantly. Tessa just falls on the knife and is dead, when in reality, she could've had enough time to lay there and decide she wanted to Inigo Montoya herself up to slay them all. In fact, the movie would've totally redeemed itself if, instead of Lovey at the door at the end, it had been Tessa bursting through the plate glass door with the knife in her hand. Or better yet, dragging them underwater, Jason-style.
  6. 7 points
    My biggest problem with the movie in respect to the podcast was that it lacks the “ridiculous” that we’ve come to know and love from movies like this on HDTGM. Most of the time with a glorified Lifetime movie there will be something just plain absurd... like with the mothers dating the sons in the Naomi Watts movie. I honestly thought while watching it that the absurd was found in the Ivanka Trump doppelgänger performance of Katherine Heigl, but then it went unmentioned.
  7. 6 points
    Right up top, whether or not Julia and Copperhead Brew had sex in a coat room or a bathroom, homeboy was definitely headed toward the bathroom, presumably to use it. Maybe I’m alone in this, but if I’m getting up to use the restroom, that’s going to be a big “no, thank you” from me regarding spontaneous dinner party sex. Anyway, I get why it was maybe more interesting to intercut the sexting scene with the bathroom sex scene, but it also presents a super convenient clue that would have helped clear Julia had the police bothered to do - like Castle - a modicum of police work. Had they looked at the time stamps of the conversation, they could have asked any of the ten other people Julia was busy schmoozing with at the time if she seemed unusually preoccupied with her phone during the course of a moderately fancy business dinner. And even if someone was like, “Well, she did disappear for a few minutes” I’m sure Copperhead Brew could have corroborated her whereabouts. Sure, it might be embarrassing, but Julia has a really strong alibi for what she was doing at that specific time. Not only that, it’s not like identity theft is completely unheard of or that Tessa doesn’t have any motivation. A detective worth his salt would have at least listened to her side of the story. I feel like everyone in the movie was way too quick to dismiss Julia right out of hand.
  8. 6 points
    I felt the extended timeline in this film was unnecessary and created more problems for the story. This film seemingly takes place over a six month period. Seemingly Katherine Heigl sets her plan to ruin Rosario Dawson’s life in action fairly quickly. If so, this would mean that Heigl is spending a lot of time establishing a fake relationship with Vargas. And I have a hard time believing that Vargas would just be cool having a 6 month virtual relationship with Julia after she put out a restraining order on him. He seems like the type who would want to find her immediately to either sleep with her or physically abuse her. Also, are we to believe that no one else came across Julia’s Facebook account. I’m constantly getting asked if I want to be friends with people who I barely have any connection to and yet her fake account seemingly goes unnoticed by everyone else. Surely Whitney Cummings or another one of her ChapterPad friends had to have gotten a notification that she was now on Facebook.
  9. 6 points
    I know Kate Hudson was originally eyed to play Tessa, but I can't help but think that the role was originally written for Louise Linton. Beyond Mnuchin's involvement…just look at her! The hair! The gloves! The racist undertones to her animosity toward Julia that I was convinced the movie was going to steer hard into, which Kerry Washington's near-casting also suggests! And most damning of all, Linton's total willingness to lean into her public persona as an obscenely wealthy psychopath. Beyond straight-up Cruella Deville-ing it with sheets of uncut money and insulting people for being poor on Instagram, there's the matter of her upcoming directorial debut: Steve Mnuchin should probably hide the thousands of fireplace pokers he presumably has in their castle. Or not, because fuck Steve Mnuchin.
  10. 5 points
    In a weirder twist, she has basically taken over the Meghan Markle female-lead role on Suits, adding to a the ever growing HDTGM-iverse. Also this is the SECOND time she's done a role like this, and recently as well as she played a very similar character in a movie called Home Sweet Hell and prior to that was doing Zzzquil commercials.
  11. 5 points
    Perhaps an omission: When Paul read the taglines for the movie, they commented on how "For Better" and "For Worse" as separate taglines was dumb. But I suspected these were for two separate posters, each featuring a different actress. And indeed it was:
  12. 5 points
    If you’re in any doubt just how rigidly put together Tessa’s character is, I’d only point out that she’s the type of person who uses correct punctuation whilst sexting - and I appreciate that. That being said, and I get there isn’t an MLA Handbook for this kind of thing (although there probably should be), if you’re going to punctuate at all, maybe use some exclamation points? Putting a period after “harder” feels a bit like sexting a neutral faced emoji.
  13. 5 points
    It totally should've happened. Although, I see Lovey's presence at the end of the movie as an interesting franchise opportunity. I'd love to see a sequel where Lovey is now the one terrorizing Julia, much to everyone else's obliviousness. And maybe the sequel could feature Tessa's aunt hanging around in the background the whole movie, and when Lovey is killed, the aunt could show up at the end, and each sequel goes on that way, with the cousin and the half-sister from dad's second marriage, and so on. Just like the Waterfall Family hippies from Futurama [edit to acknowledge that an audience member said this].
  14. 5 points
    So did anyone else see this as an allegory to Heigl's career? She started as a child/teen model, an industry with a strong emphasis on looks, and surprisingly earned a reputation as a difficult to work with due to stage parent mom who was also her manager, That reputation carried into her acting career where she did a variety of movies and shows, but nothing huge enough to get her continuous bigger roles. Then she lands Gray's Anatomy and earns heaps of praise and an Emmy, she even admitting during that speech that even her own mom/manager didn't think she was good enough to win. This basically has Hollywood needing to give her those bigger roles as the current "it" actress, akin to her getting an anchor baby to keep her husband in this movie. That eventually sours though as her prior reputation continues to cause her issues, like her various interviews about Knocked Up or how she withdrew her name from Emmy consideration because she didn't like the writing for Gray's Anatomy. Eventually she's leaving the show and doing flop after flop which pushes her outta sight of the casual TV/movie viewer, as her character also feels in this film, in what many saw along with the Emmy pulling out as a career suicide, which she does with literal suicide at the end of this. Or maybe I'm just punchy from getting home after midnight from the Berkeley show, trying to remember my correction and omission for when that episode comes out.
  15. 5 points
    Follow up episode! Support it in the recs thread. There is another thing called Amazon Worlds where content owners basically sold their rights to Amazon? And now authors can write fanfic and sell it there if Amazon says it is okay? If I recall correctly, a lot of them are Alloy Properties like Pretty Little Liars and Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? I tried Googling it and got confusing results because Amazon has so many dumb initiatives and they are listening to us all over Alexa and I will probably be attacked by drones for saying this.
  16. 5 points
    So the whole debate about whether Tessa killed herself over vanity or to do better for her daughter reminded me of a REALLY stupid debate I was following on the internet. On The Office (US), Jan (Michael Scott's ex-boss and ex-girlfriend) has a baby ostensibly from a sperm donor. Michael is very excited to have some role in the baby's life, and throws Jan a baby shower at the office. Meanwhile Holly, the new HR rep has joined the office. She and Michael hit it off immediately. At the end of the episode as Jan has packed her baby shower gifts and new baby into her car she turns to Michael and says "Don't date Holly." (Jan has witnessed a spark between them at some point in the episode.) Office fans are divided on what has happened here. Some people read this moment as Jan being her usual ugly self and doing her best to manipulate Michael into doing what she wants... afterall, one of the last things she says to him before this is in reference to Michael starting a college fund for her daughter. Other people read this as Jan suddenly having a magical change of heart and telling Michael "Don't date Holly" as an unselfish act, since she knows Michael will do the exact opposite of anything people tell him to do... therefore Jan is pushing Michael to be with Holly. Which is what he does immediately. My problem with both that scenario and Tessa suddenly having a magical change of heart is that there is absolutely nothing in the history of their behaviors to support this sudden act of... maturity? Jan spends the episode dominating the shit out of Michael and Tessa spends the whole movie gaslighting Julia to get her man back. Why the change of heart right at that moment? One of the very first thing Tessa says is "Now you're perfect... just like Mommy." Her vanity is an enormous part of her character. Not only that though, but I assumed that when Tessa commits harikari it was 100% to inflict one last manipulation on Julia, since Julia's hand have been all over the knife. How could any coroner prove Julie didn't drive that knife herself? Tessa wasn't thinking about her daughter... she was trying to get Julia until the bitter end. If it were truly an unselfish act, why not clearly commit suicide?
  17. 5 points
    I’m not quite done with the movie, and therefore haven’t listened to the episode yet, but while on an intellectual/technical level I wouldn’t call it a “good” movie, I think it does work on a gut/emotional level. The main reason I turned it off last night was I was getting so upset and anxious by what was happening that I didn’t want that to be the last thing I was feeling before bed.* Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of things not right about it, but as a piece of Art (Oh boy, where am I going with this?) meant to evoke certain feelings, I think it works pretty well. *ETA (after finishing the ep): Heigl nailed it.
  18. 5 points
    Haven't listened to the episode yet- probably tomorrow- but my wife and I watched the movie tonight and woof, it is rough. My main takeaway from it is that it feels and largely looks like a Lifetime movie with somewhat bigger stars than usual but much the same tone and plot (ie., ridiculous and offensive/racist/sexist/dumb). We are gobsmacked that this was ever released to theatres. On the bright side I was pleasantly surprised when a (mild spoiler) a particular supporting cast member was NOT murdered. And hey, Cheryl Ladd is still alive and working! If you call this working. Seriously though, this movie is garbage.
  19. 5 points
    I'm pretty emotionally devastated right now. I saw the title topic and got very excited that they were finally covering that fucking bananas Ray Liotta movie where he injects his dead wifes brain juice into his own brain in order to see her memories. I'll have to watch this one but man I feel like they chose the lesser of the two movies titled Unforgettable.
  20. 4 points
    In the universe of the movie, Tessa is described by the people around her as being pretty much flawless, but during the margarita confessional scene, she describes Julia as being “gorgeous, talented, and effortlessly beautiful.” I guess she’s not so perfect that she can’t come up with a string of three adjectives where two-thirds of them don’t mean the exact same thing, huh? That being said, I would be pretty impressed if this was intentional flub as a subtle put down of Julia (i.e. refusing to call her intelligent) or as a way of further characterizing her shallow nature. However, without reaction or comment from anyone in the movie, a line that is essentially saying, “You’re pretty, talented, and pretty” comes off pretty lazy, clumsy, and careless.
  21. 4 points
    I hate to correct Paul on this since he had so much trouble getting it out, but the cake says: GOODBYE-ISH JULIA WE’LL MISS YOU REGARDLESS. There isn’t a comma between “you” and “regardless.” (Although there probably should be one between “Goodbye-ish” and “Julia.”) All they’re saying is that even though she’s not leaving the company, they’ll miss seeing her around the office. (I can’t seem to take a screen shot, but the time stamp is 3:58)
  22. 4 points
    She chose the David Caruso approach to her career.
  23. 4 points
    I believe (I could be wrong) Amazon Worlds has been shut down. From what I understand, it was some fan fiction, but it was also books just based on different “themes” or “worlds.” It was a way for indie authors to get their work in front of eyes that might better appreciate their genre. So, for example, if you were into Dinosaur porn books, you could have your book included in the dinosaur porn “world” for people to easily find. This was, for awhile, a pretty good way for indie authors to get noticed and make a decent living. Ultimately, its downfall was that each “world” had a head author whose responsibility was to curate the work being uploaded. Essentially, they acted as the EiC and it was their job to either approve or reject incoming submissions. The catch was, for each book uploaded to their world, the head author would receive something like fifty dollars - whether that book was profitable or not. Unfortunately, as you might suspect, this lead to a lot of abuse when many of these (not all) head of world figures would accept a ton of books without regard to quality. (i.e. Lots of dinosaur porn books, just not *good* dinosaur porn books) This created a situation where no one was really making money except these heads of world, so Amazon shut it down. To my knowledge, some of these worlds do still exist except now the *author* pays the head of the world instead of Amazon - which is in itself pretty shady.
  24. 4 points
    I get that. It’s certainly not a “fun” movie to watch - certainly not “ridiculous” fun. I’m horrified by what is happening to Rosario. Tessa just threw her goddamn self down the stairs, and I am a ball of unraveling anxiety yarn.
  25. 4 points
    That’s exactly what they all liked about it. Haven’t seen the movie, heard the podcast. They all unanimously loved it. So prepare yourself if you think this movie is going to be torn to shreds, because it is celebrated.
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