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    Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

    I'm with Amy in preferring this to The Graduate. The latter is a lot of flashy direction in service of a much less interesting film. Virginia Woolf is hardly an easy watch or something I'm eager to re-watch, but the difficulty works for it. At the same time, it wasn't quite enough to make me want to vote for it. I haven't seen the stage version, but I imagine the most distinctive aspects of it are all in there. And a filmed version of a stage play can be good, but I don't think that's enough to deserve its place on the AFI 100. At the same time, I'm not going to vote against it, because I don't want to contribute to it having more downvotes than The Graduate.
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    Gone with the Wind

    You must not have seen Birth of a Nation. That actually does make black people into its villains while the Klan are the heroes. I do think Paul & Amy misrepresent Birth vs GWTW's takes on the Civil War though. Birth presents itself as pro-Lincoln (perhaps because Lincoln had been practically universally recognized as a great martyred President), and his death is depicted as the cause of trouble between north & south. At the end of the film northern & southern whites are supposed to have a happy re-union as Lincoln supposedly wished. It's not the dream of an independent south rising against/apart from the north. It's called "Birth of a Nation" because it regards national unity as having been forged through the experience depicted. For it's part, Gone With the Wind isn't as concerned with race, but it does romanticize the Old South plantations. It's primarily taking the POV of someone who benefitted from that system, emphasizing how nice it was for that class and how much worse it was for them afterward. It criticizes the southern fireeaters who kicked off a war they were overconfident in winning, but they're being blamed for losing a way of life the movie holds in high regard. Contrary to Amy's assumptions, the wealth of the industrialized north was NOT dependent on slavery. The idea has been promoted by some historians recently, but economic historians find it doesn't hold up. https://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/11/10/slavery_and_industrialism/
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    Deer Hunter

    You should, it really lives up to the hype. Unlike The Deer Hunter. I agree with others that it's a really overrated movie, with Michael a practically flawless protagonist. Part of my negative attitude could be the result of watching Cimino's first three movies all in a row and getting increasingly annoyed at his bloat*, but I really do think that Platoon & Apocalypse Now are both better in their different ways. The Deer Hunter just arrived earlier. *I know it's not being covered here, but Heaven's Gate really is a bad movie serving as a monument to Cimino's wasteful ego.
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    Toy Story

    I was a Warner Bros partisan as a kid, who disliked Disney cartoons for being dull & much less funny. Toy Story seemed like just another Disney movie, just with computer animation, so I avoided subsequent Pixar films (although my family brought me along to see Up years later). I had thought that separated me from the rest of my generation, who seem to have such attachment to many Pixar films (at least with Harry Potter I read up through Goblet of Fire, even if I also only saw the first movie). I see that others are dissenting here, so I suppose I'm not alone (with Amy) in not being that impressed by the original Toy Story. Also, toys are indeed inanimate objects. It's fine to mutilate them, put them back together, blow them up, etc. Spike Jonze had the best take on Pixar-esque objects (such as their iconic lamp) in this commercial:
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    Upcoming Episodes

    Don't know what the next regular episode will be.
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    To Kill A Mockingbird

    You talk about George R. R. Martin leaving the writing of the tv show Game of Thrones to others, but he wrote an episode for each of the first four seasons.
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    The Silence of the Lambs

    I think Silence of the Lambs is a higher quality film on the whole, because Manhunter is flawed (the song at the very end is awful), but Manhunter is my personal preference. I'll get into some of that below. I think they're both excellent performances with different purposes. Brian Cox's version is supposed to have an impact, but then he goes away and is only of minor importance in the film. This makes sense, as he's a supporting character. In SIlence of the Lambs, he's still a supporting character and doesn't have that much more screentime, but he's the most memorable part of the film for most people. He just blows the viewer away, and Hopkins tremendous performance is a big part of that. He got hammier in Hannibal & Bret Ratner's Red Dragon, but we shouldn't let that tar his (bigger than Cox, but not bad) performance in Silence. It was category fraud that he won Best Actor rather than Best Supporting Actor, because within the story he's clearly a supporting character, with Clarice as the lead and Buffalo Bill as her antagonist. I prefer Manhunter for giving us Francis Dolarhyde as a person and not just the Red Dragon persona, whereas Jaime Gumb is a rather thin presence leaving with just his grotesque kidnapper persona. Him being a relatively thin antagonist is part of why people remember Lecter more. And if we were watching the story of Lecter vs Chilton that might be fair, but that's not this film. Incidentally, Chilton doesn't leave anything in Lecter's cell in the book. Lecter just obtains it himself somehow and smuggles it to his new prison via his mouth (which nobody is willing to check). Siskel greatly preferred Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer to Silence of the Lambs. It aims much more for gritty realism and is much less audience pleasing than Silence, which is part of why it was never as successful. If you have the stomach for movies like Silence of the Lambs & Seven, I recommend checking that out and comparing it to other movie serial killers. You definitely won't think of Henry as an awesome character who should hook up with the female lead (which is unfortunately the route Thomas Harris himself took with his next book). As long as we're discussing Thomas Harris, his first novel, Black Sunday, is atypical in that there's no Hannibal Lecter or serial killers. Lander the deranged Vietnam P.O.W did remind me a bit of Dolarhyde though and his memories of growing up in the south seemed personal to Harris. Tom Clancy basically stole the premise of Palestinian terrorists attacking the Super Bowl, although my understanding is the film adaptation of that changed things.
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    West Side Story

    My parents had the vinyl LP of the music here, so soon after the AFI released their 97 list it was one of the first I sought ought. I didn't see Singin in the Rain until many years later, and I agree with others who say WSS is the more cohesive film. That's because Singin in the Rain is a jukebox musical. But I think it's a better film, with WSS just being a particularly distinctive riff on Romeo & Juliet.
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    West Side Story

    It's simply not true that European immigrants were considered non-white. The very first Congress passed a naturalization act reserved for "free white persons of good moral character", which Europeans always passed. We had a explicit racial caste system, and Europeans were always officially categorized as white. Chicanos could be categorized differently depending on the time & place, but not European immigrants. Fox & Guglielmo's paper "Defining America’s Racial Boundaries: Blacks, Mexicans, and European Immigrants, 1890–1945" goes into more detail on this.
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    A Night At The Opera

    I also prefer Holy Grail to Life of Brian for that reason. I had thought that when Amy had them face off for The Canon that the latter won, but checking wikipedia I see that the original prevailed. And there was much rejoicing!
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    A Night At The Opera

    It's not a difficult decision for me at all between Duck Soup & A Night at the Opera (which I watched last month). Focusing on anybody other than the Marx brothers in a Marx brothers movie is just foolish. I got bored whenever there was a focus on the opera singing couple, and I found myself fast-forwarding through the songs. I also think the attempt to make the Marx brothers good guys who help out the good people at the expense of the bad is foolish. They're anarchic by nature. The reason the antagonist is trying to whip Harpo is because Harpo was screwing things up for him rather than acting as his assistant. And the brothers actually knock him unconscious repeatedly. They're like Bugs Bunny, gleefully amoral and out to humiliate everyone around them.
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    Saving Private Ryan

    After I saw this movie, I decided it was my favorite of all time. I wouldn't say that now, but there wasn't any specific movie that dethroned it. I still like it a whole lot better than some other movies on this list like The Graduate & Last Picture Show, but I can also see an argument that the 100 best American movies doesn't need 5 from Spielberg or quite that many war movies (although I'd note that the share of ALL stories persisted through time, going back long before the advent of film, is probably at least as weighted with war as the AFI's list). Spielberg absolutely thinks God was against the Nazi forces. Both Raiders of the Lost Ark & Last Crusade make that explicit! I also disagree that the opening is irrelevant to the rest of the film. Ryan is not our protagonist, Tom Hanks' character is, and his squad are the supporting characters. The opening puts them through a trial by fire in which many die, in an operation famous enough that the audience knows its importance. To then put that fire-forged squad into a strategically irrelevant mission to remove some guy so he won't have to face the danger we just saw makes for a contrast. Throughout the rest of the film those guys are going to be thinking about what they've been through together and that Ryan was spared (and what he will be spared from then on).
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    The Graduate

    This is one of the most overrated movies I can recall seeing. I suppose the directing/editing are more interesting than Last Picture Show (which had few redeeming qualities), but Benjamin is a boring character that I can't get invested in. The later Ebert strikes me as correct, and I have to conclude the film was so popular simply because people went deranged in the late 60s. I can't think of any other explanation for why Altman's M*A*S*H was more successful than Nichols' Catch-22 (which is also far better than this film). I'd like to thank you for those Nichols & May clips. because they were also more entertaining than this movie. Amy mentions that Hoffman sometimes sounds like a robot when talking to Mrs. Robinson. Another critic writes "Today, we might call Benjamin an Aspergery nerd, a depressive, and an obsessive-compulsive stalker" (suggesting that he drew from his experiences working in a mental hospital, as he did when making Rain Man), but I don't know if anyone was grasping toward that back then. People did talk about a "generation gap", which was news to Nichols, who claims that never occurred to him while he was making the film. People above are talking about sexual assault, but this isn't really an example of that. He's an adult and he voluntarily participates in it, even if he rejects her initial overtures.
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    Best of 2018: Critics' Picks

    The movie I enjoyed the most in 2018 was Cory Finley's Thoroughbreds, but that had its festival debut in 2017 so I suppose it doesn't count. I don't know if it's the "best" film, so that might be First Reformed, even if it's not as enjoyable. And Taxi Driver will probably occupy its spot on any future AFI list, but that doesn't mean it's not a great movie! I think I prefer Lynn Ramsay's We Need to Talk About Kevin (containing the most pure evil I've seen outside a horror film) to You Were Never Really Here, but that was a unique variant on a familiar sort of story, even if it doesn't complicate the protagonist like Taxi Driver did. I think I might still prefer Winter's Bone to Leave No Trace because I'm un-hip enough to like some genre elements and dialogue, but Granik's latest is still a great film in its own right and I hope she gets to continue making more like those. I also don't think I like Annihilation as much as the simplicity of Ex Machina, but I enjoyed it a good deal as well. I know there's many readings that can be made of the film, but I didn't find the ending a triumphant "overcoming of the self". And that's fine! Ex Machina wasn't written to have a happy ending either... I was surprised how much I agreed with Amy on this. I don't share the politics of Sorry to Bother You (Boots Riley is actually a card-carrying communist, not merely some western European style mainstream socialist), but I thought it was a great film. BlacKkKlansman felt like watered down Spike Lee compared to something as unique as Chi-Raq. I was surprised Mission: Impossible - Fallout & Black Panther managed to get so high up in the critics list, as neither seemed comparable to most of the films there. But then I really only like De Palma's Mission: Impossible movie which avoided a lot of the James Bond nonsense the series has since embraced, and I'm not really interested in the MCU. I dug Chloe Zhao's The Rider, so I thought it's worth noting that she's been hired to direct an Immortals movie for Marvel. I would have preferred if she'd gotten something like Coogler's Creed, which balanced a larger budget with a certain amount of freedom to continue in his own style rather than some producer-driven house style. I also don't see why people lump A Quiet Place in with "elevated horror" titles. It's a creature feature with a high concept executed decently, but it's nowhere near Hereditary. I also didn't find Buster Scruggs quite so depressing. It's really just the third (my last favorite) which is miserable all the way through. The first two are comedies in which scoundrels get their just deserts (if somewhat late). All Gold Canyon had a happy ending, even if the holes he dug are ugly. And Oregon Trail segment has some sadness in it, but it isn't cynical. I suppose it's something like the flip side of All Gold Canyon. It will probably go down as minor Coen brothers, which is still better than most movies. I think Fargo should have stayed on the list.
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    Sunset Boulevard

    A number of film scholars have noted that women were more prominent in the silent era than under the studio system, which strikes people as contrary to a monotonic Whiggish notion of historical progress. It can be argued that this was part of a backlash against the first wave of feminism which occurred after it was blamed for Prohibition (James Thurber was particularly prominent as a commenter on the battle-of-the-sexes at that time). Billy Wilder wasn't in Hollywood during the silent era, but when he came over there was a receptive audience for mocking a prominent actress of that time uppity enough to give orders to a man. Part of the reason many people don't remember that aspect of the silent-era is that it's attitudes toward gender were sometimes tied up in notions like the "defense of white womanhood" depicted in The Birth of a Nation or Gone With the Wind (the latter is admittedly not silent or even black & white). Just nine years after Sunset Boulevard came the publication of To Kill a Mockingbird, made into a film a few years later and eventually mandatory classroom reading for many children, teaching them about false rape accusations as one of the tools of bigotry in our unjust society. Susan Brownmiller of "Against Our Will" was then reacting against that stereotype she'd been taught. And perhaps such cycles of cultural reaction will repeat forever, long after Weinstein is gone.
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