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Episode 117 — Is Everyone Racist?


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

Is everyone racist? Andrew Ti and guest Jack Kukoda entertain this caller’s question and are sure he’s trying to win some sort of debate. Don’t celebrate your ignorance and keep it concise when leaving a message at (323) 389-RACE.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:48 AM

Andrew should have also noted that the people who say everyone is racist are usually the ones that are quick to downplay the racial aspects of any situation. So, in their minds, everyone racist but no one's actions and words are racist. Logical fail!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:49 AM

I wish Andrew would ask this guy about the "joke" the Onion made about Quvenzhane Wallis at the Oscars.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:51 AM

This is a repeat question. Same message. Good job Andrew. Lol

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

View PostShariq Torres, on 28 March 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

I wish Andrew would ask this guy about the "joke" the Onion made about Quvenzhane Wallis at the Oscars.


Unless Jack wrote that tweet, I don't really see how it's relevant. The Onion has apologized and it's pretty clear that it was the work of only two or three. The whole conversation would just be, "Hey, that thing you guys said about Quvenzhane was super fucked up." "Yeah, it was. Sorry."

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 04:15 AM

View PostGarrett Brown, on 28 March 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:


Unless Jack wrote that tweet, I don't really see how it's relevant. The Onion has apologized and it's pretty clear that it was the work of only two or three. The whole conversation would just be, "Hey, that thing you guys said about Quvenzhane was super fucked up." "Yeah, it was. Sorry."


It's relevant because he used to work at the Onion and can shed some light into how this "joke" even made it on to Twitter. It is not clear that it was the work of only two or three people within the organization. You can't say that because no one knows who put the tweet out there.

Also, I didn't know that once someone issues an apology that there should never be any conversation on it ever again. Is that a New No No that you just pulled out of your butt?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Usually interns or people with some sort of "amateur" position within companies run Twitter feeds, and I don't feel as if that's any different for The Onion. I admit that I don't know how they run their feed, but I am almost entirely sure that that tweet was written by either an intern or a writer who hasn't been with the publication long and maybe was approved by some sort of editor. If that's the case (which, again, I don't factually know, but am extremely confident in my guesswork), then yeah, it's only up to a few people.

And concerning your second point, I never said anything of the like. It's just that there's no conversation to be had. There's no discussion about when to call a little girl a gendered slur, or when calling a little girl a gendered slur is right, or anything like that. There's no complexity to the issue. It was shitty, and that can be addressed in the matter of fifteen seconds.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

View PostGarrett Brown, on 29 March 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Usually interns or people with some sort of "amateur" position within companies run Twitter feeds, and I don't feel as if that's any different for The Onion. I admit that I don't know how they run their feed, but I am almost entirely sure that that tweet was written by either an intern or a writer who hasn't been with the publication long and maybe was approved by some sort of editor. If that's the case (which, again, I don't factually know, but am extremely confident in my guesswork), then yeah, it's only up to a few people.

And concerning your second point, I never said anything of the like. It's just that there's no conversation to be had. There's no discussion about when to call a little girl a gendered slur, or when calling a little girl a gendered slur is right, or anything like that. There's no complexity to the issue. It was shitty, and that can be addressed in the matter of fifteen seconds.



So, even though you don't know how The Onion runs their twitter feed, you are certain of how they run their twitter feed, correct? Wouldn't it be nice have concrete answers to all of your guesses, or do you really not care how or why someone thought calling a little girl a cunt is funny?

And as far as there is no discussion to be had, reality doesn't bear that out now does it? If it was never a discussion to be had of the appropiateness of the calling a little girl a cunt, then the tweet wouldn't exist. But apparently there is a discussion that needs to be had because alot of people defended the tweet like Matt Kirshan and Joel Stein and the writers at Thing X. They feel that is very fine and ok to call a little girl a cunt if it is in the Pursuit of Comedy. Some of them even think that is very funny. I would've liked to know what take this guest would take.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

I don't see how knowing the way that The Onion runs their feed and knowing why someone thought that using a gendered slur was funny are related. If the tweet was made the way I think it was, then all it took was two people - the person who composed it and the person who approved it - to think it was funny or acceptable. When those two people were accosted, I can't imagine that the conversation went, "Hey, why did you think that was funny?" and more "What the fuck is wrong with you you're fired/on thin ice." Because when you get down to it, the only explanation that's really need is that those two people are racist/sexist. Trying to pinpoint why they thought the way that they did is going into the discussion of why bigotry exists in the first place, and when you get to that scale, bringing up one specific tweet is kind of pointless.

But I didn't know that anyone went to any lengths to defend the tweet. I thought that it was a pretty much universally shunned move. Fuck that. I do think that there's a lot of merit to be had in the discussion of whether or not "offensive comedy" is okay (spoiler: no), and if there was any sort of positive response, then yeah, it's definitely a good discussion point.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 05:51 AM

View PostGarrett Brown, on 29 March 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

I don't see how knowing the way that The Onion runs their feed and knowing why someone thought that using a gendered slur was funny are related. If the tweet was made the way I think it was, then all it took was two people - the person who composed it and the person who approved it - to think it was funny or acceptable. When those two people were accosted, I can't imagine that the conversation went, "Hey, why did you think that was funny?" and more "What the fuck is wrong with you you're fired/on thin ice." Because when you get down to it, the only explanation that's really need is that those two people are racist/sexist. Trying to pinpoint why they thought the way that they did is going into the discussion of why bigotry exists in the first place, and when you get to that scale, bringing up one specific tweet is kind of pointless.

But I didn't know that anyone went to any lengths to defend the tweet. I thought that it was a pretty much universally shunned move. Fuck that. I do think that there's a lot of merit to be had in the discussion of whether or not "offensive comedy" is okay (spoiler: no), and if there was any sort of positive response, then yeah, it's definitely a good discussion point.


If you knew anything about the tweet you would have known that there were people, prominent people, defending the tweet. It sounds like you don't know as much as you think...about the situation overall or how the Onion tweet came to exist in the first place.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:24 AM

"But I didn't know anyone went to any length to defend the tweet" is a thing I just said. I wasn't aware that some people tried to defend the tweet, and I have admitted my lack of knowledge pertaining to that particular instance. I feel as if I've made a strong effort to qualify everything I've said here with some statement that says that I don't know the intricacies of how The Onion operates. I'm not being obstinate in this idea that I'm completely right or entirely omniscient. Cool it, dude.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:05 AM

View PostGarrett Brown, on 01 April 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

I feel as if I've made a strong effort to qualify everything I've said here with some statement that says that I don't know the intricacies of how The Onion operates. I'm not being obstinate in this idea that I'm completely right or entirely omniscient. Cool it, dude.



I didn't say you were. I merely pointed out that you don't know what you are talking about.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:16 AM

Obviously Ti is not going to take on the Onion. He needs guests.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

Sorry Shariq that you got trolled by The Onion. It's a free country and I will defend the right of The Onion to say things like that joke. It was a bad joke, nonetheless.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostScott1326657704, on 01 April 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Sorry Shariq that you got trolled by The Onion. It's a free country and I will defend the right of The Onion to say things like that joke. It was a bad joke, nonetheless.


I hate literally everything about this.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostGarrett Brown, on 01 April 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:


I hate literally everything about this.


What is wrong with what I said?

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 05:06 PM

Wasn't the Onion Tweet satire? They took the rampant sexism that people display towards female celebrities and showcased how gross it was by directing it towards a kid. At least, that's what I assumed they were doing.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:23 AM

View Postmeshair, on 01 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Wasn't the Onion Tweet satire? They took the rampant sexism that people display towards female celebrities and showcased how gross it was by directing it towards a kid. At least, that's what I assumed they were doing.


Then you assumed wrong.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:25 AM

View PostScott1326657704, on 01 April 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Sorry Shariq that you got trolled by The Onion. It's a free country and I will defend the right of The Onion to say things like that joke. It was a bad joke, nonetheless.


I doubt that you thought it was a bad joke. You probably laughed your ass off because calling a little girl a cunt is the FUNNIEST thing to you. And that it was a little black girl? Icing on the cake.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:56 AM

shariq knows what's in all of our minds