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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

Ring the bell in celebration of another episode of improv4humans with improv addicts Sean Conroy, Jon Gabrus, and Mike Still! Along with a ton of great improv comes another edition of Case Closed with Matt debating with someone from Twitter who claims Jason Collins is not a hero for coming out. Be sure to pick up an improv4humans shirt from the Earwolf Store and follow @MattBesser on Twitter to send in your improv suggestions. Music by Bobby Matthews and Dragoon. You can also now get Matt Besser’s new comedy album “Woo Pig Sooie: Comedy for Atheists” at mattbesser.com and Dragoon’s new album “This Galaxy Is But A Nursery” at dragoongalaxy.bandcamp.com!

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:54 AM

Loving this. That 'crap from youtube' was so horrific-sounding that for the first time I had to pause the podcast just to put a face to what I was hearing, which was awful. Sure enough, the video made my blood curdle, and I cracked up and resumed listening to the episode. Good Gravy Marie. I was not expecting such a start to this episode, which has hit the ground running for its life.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:21 AM

Hey Matt, I don't think it's bullying to make people defend their statements (and once you read some of that guy's tweets it was pretty clear why you were so angry, and why it was frustrating that he was being all agreeable when challenged on them,) and I don't know what exactly is your vision for I4H, but for what I think of as a comedy podcast there was a long, very unfunny section in this one. I appreciate that you're trying to do something real and that's not just cheap laughs (and a lot of improv that's on I4H comes from serious and non-comedic material) and I definitely respect what you're doing but it can be hard to listen to and not funny (which I guess it isn't always meant to be,) especially if it dominates the episode. Maybe if you put the Case Closed segments in their own episodes so there weren't the same expectations that come with being on I4H they would be easier to take. Just my two cents, looking forward to the next one.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:16 AM

I'm afraid, in this instance anyway, I'm with smozi on Case Closed.

The first CC segment, with Neclord debating Besser on the definition of 'cyborg,' is one of my all-time favorite moments of this show. The "debate" itself was super-funny, and organically led to plenty of great scenes.

On this episode, there was really no part of the conversation that I can say I "enjoyed." It was interesting, but it felt like a totally different show. The fact that this edition was a one-on-one between Matt and the caller only intensified the weirdness; it just felt odd to know that these great comedians were all sitting in the room listening to a serious discussion happening in the middle of a comedy podcast.

I ended up skipping to the end of the call because it was just kind of a bummer; I got antsy to hear more great improv. I would love to hear more of the lighter-style Case Closed, as I think it is almost guaranteed to lead to comedy gold.

(For the record, I'm wearing my i4h shirt as I write this post. This remains one of the best podcasts out there, bar none.)
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:19 AM

I actually kind of like the idea of Case Closed segments being their own mini-episodes. I get that it kind of interrupts the flow of the improv but I would hate less Case Closed.

I went through a bunch of emotions just listening to the guy's arguments but luckily I agree totally with Matt and I didn't end the episode feeling like I wish I'd been able to jump into the conversation.

I'm a minority and don't identify as straight--it's really reassuring to hear people who aren't in my position actually still get it.

Matt, you're an absolute idol to me.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

holy fucking shit this episode was superb i laughed until i cried thank you for this!!!

case closed is my favorite

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:32 AM

View PostKajusX, on 09 May 2013 - 12:54 AM, said:

Loving this. That 'crap from youtube' was so horrific-sounding that for the first time I had to pause the podcast just to put a face to what I was hearing, which was awful. Sure enough, the video made my blood curdle, and I cracked up and resumed listening to the episode. Good Gravy Marie. I was not expecting such a start to this episode, which has hit the ground running for its life.


This. This. This.

Episode came in hot! I love when you guys get crazy as hell on the first scene.

Arkansas will indeed upset A&M this year, if there is any justice. Also, Auburn will win more than 3 games. SEC needs to pick it up. Can we get a football themed episode? Or at least a scene where everyone hates on Saban?

P.S. Cat's Cradle is probably my favorite Vonnegut. So accessible and funny.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:35 AM

Matt's Ben Shapiro impersionation was spot on. Case Closed should be it's own podcast. I could listen to two great podcasts from Besser!
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:31 AM

"It's THAN you." -Besser

Great episode. Keep fighting the good fight. Also, great recommendation on the Vonnegut.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:36 AM

Yes. Kurt Vonnegut. Cat's Cradle and Breakfast of Champions. Great books, read them if you haven't.

And as always, fun episode.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:44 AM

Holy shit that was very, very intense. Love ya Matt. If I could make one recommendation for the future of case-closed, I would recommend putting on people you already think have interesting arguments. It's clear that your intention is usually to prove the caller wrong (which you do do well), not learn from them.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:35 AM

View Postreptar, on 09 May 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

I would recommend putting on people you already think have interesting arguments. It's clear that your intention is usually to prove the caller wrong (which you do do well), not learn from them.


Well I tried to get Ben Shapiro to debate me but he did not accept. Brett B on the other hand badgered me all day to debate him and no one else was interested. Like I said on the show I think guys like this represent what a lot of people think. All the time, before the internet existed, I would often think about certain people on certain issues. "What the hell are those people thinking?!" Now with twitter, not only is it easy to "talk" to these people, they actually reach out and want to argue with me. To me that makes them an interesting source material.

I tried to communicate this with the gun control episode but I really am disappointed in how little comedy podcasts take on important social issues. Also, since I'm being asked about my vision allow me to be a little pretentious here for a second. The original long form improvisers from the Univ. of Chicago thought of their art form as theater for the people. The people meaning, real people with real problems not the upper class who attended "plays". When they would ask for a suggestion from the audience people would shout out shit that they wanted to talk about that was important to them and society. I think that has gotten lost in a big way. Now people shout out some food half the time.
So I look at Case Closed as being a no holds barred debate. And hopefully from that truth, no matter how ugly it gets, there can be some comedy.
Now, in regards to there being different mental weight classes in these fights and that being unfair. That is a fact I can't deny. So "bullying" will be next week's topic and I am proud to have Randy "The Ethicist" Cohen on to give me a verbal spanking.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:00 AM

It was my first time listening and I really loved it, and I want to thank you for Case Closed. I am constantly surprised by how little people know and how willingly they preach on topics they have little to no understanding of--especially in the age of twitter, where many people can and do freely abuse free speech. You should damn well hold accountability and responsibility for what you say and promote, especially when what you are saying will then be broadcast to endless amounts of people. That is why I thought this was a great debate. Clearly the kid on the show wasn't thinking before speaking. This is probably an issue for most. After twitter searching 'Jason Collins hero,' too many mindless tweets came up confirming this. I am happy that you made him think more deeply about what he was saying. Yeah, it's not fun to debate with someone who easily backtracks, but thank goodness he has the open mind to agree that there was more to the issues than he originally thought. Hey, you even got him to potentially read some Vonnegut. In the end, you are exposing this guy to a deeper analysis of issues that human beings must face every day. I'm really looking forward to more Case Closed...(ethics) debates get me off...kind of like that girl's fuck pillow.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

It's kind of interesting that this started with Brett B tweeting at me asking me to be held accountable for comparing Collins to Jackie Robinson.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:21 AM

Did this guy know about case closed or your (Matt) podcast before you starting tweeting with him? I feel like if he knew how open you were to a public debate on almost any subject he would have thought twice about "coming at you" like that on twitter.

Or maybe he was just responding from a tweet he found on a collins hashtag? Either way I loved the case closed segments.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

I like your passion and all, Matt, but you should have got the pillow girl on the phone instead.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

I just want to say, penises are great. Sometimes they are the best part!

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:45 PM

I thought I'd just chime in and say I enjoy the case closed segments, but I wish you could get someone who sticks to their position. Maybe on a topic that the listeners might disagree with you about. I4H is basically a liberal echo chamber, so the left vs right stuff isn't quite as interesting.

It's kind of annoying, though, that all these idiots on twitter get to have a long discussion with some of my comedy heroes just by dint of being stupid and conservative (which are basically the same thing, am I right guys?), although I suppose in the end they get totally shit on by a load of professional improvisers, so it sort of balances out.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

View PostMatt Besser, on 09 May 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:


Well I tried to get Ben Shapiro to debate me but he did not accept. Brett B on the other hand badgered me all day to debate him and no one else was interested. Like I said on the show I think guys like this represent what a lot of people think. All the time, before the internet existed, I would often think about certain people on certain issues. "What the hell are those people thinking?!" Now with twitter, not only is it easy to "talk" to these people, they actually reach out and want to argue with me. To me that makes them an interesting source material.

I tried to communicate this with the gun control episode but I really am disappointed in how little comedy podcasts take on important social issues. Also, since I'm being asked about my vision allow me to be a little pretentious here for a second. The original long form improvisers from the Univ. of Chicago thought of their art form as theater for the people. The people meaning, real people with real problems not the upper class who attended "plays". When they would ask for a suggestion from the audience people would shout out shit that they wanted to talk about that was important to them and society. I think that has gotten lost in a big way. Now people shout out some food half the time.
So I look at Case Closed as being a no holds barred debate. And hopefully from that truth, no matter how ugly it gets, there can be some comedy.
Now, in regards to there being different mental weight classes in these fights and that being unfair. That is a fact I can't deny. So "bullying" will be next week's topic and I am proud to have Randy "The Ethicist" Cohen on to give me a verbal spanking.

What I feel, though, is that from the very beginning, Improv4Humans was ALWAYS a show that was able to take on important issues. Long before case closed even started this was the case. I don't think the show needs case closed because it always has intelligent guests that are perfectly capable of discussing these issues without throwing in a random person from twitter. I mean this episode had some of the best sketches the show has done, but all anyone's talking about is this uncomedic segment. I feel like the show should just tackle the issues with the improvisers instead of having a long, momentum-killing segment that makes most people uncomfortable.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:29 PM

For the record I love case closed. Little idiots like that guy might be small potatoes intellectually, but the shit they are spewing is actually very contagious on the Internet and so much of it goes unchecked.

My own personal opinion, as someone who loves real debate, is that Matt hardly bullied him at all. I think of bullying as intimidating someone into backing down. Shouting over someone, telling them to shut up, not allowing them to make a point, threats, attacks, etc. I don't think getting down in the mud and making them feel stupid is at all bullying, as long as you're arguing the merits and allow them their space.
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