Episode 13 — Defending Your Shitty Taste
Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:27 AM
Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:20 AM
Posted 02 December 2013 - 01:42 PM
To say imagine is condescending and then say "the stones did cool drugs and the beatles did lame drugs" is equally condescending. I feel like Liana could have made a better argument by saying that the beatles later albums suffered from in-fighting, the fact that they were starting to focus on their solo careers instead of the beatles, and that people now are over-romanticizing the quality of the music because of who they were at the time.
Good choice on opening and closing tracks. Interesting episode.
Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:44 PM
Music tastes grow and evolve over time. There are timeless songs from most artists, but in general some music won't be as appealing as it was when you listened to it years ago. In conclusion, the beatles are not terrible, just terrible to Liana.
Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:54 PM
(and then when Soren calls They Might Be Giants, one of my all-time favorite bands from the age of 15 on, "a kids' band" I was like OH HELL NO, further reinforcing Liana's point...)
Posted 03 December 2013 - 04:57 PM
But I actually have more of an issue with her throwing around stuff like "kid's music" and "simple". Both are things that are not bad things. Now for the argument that it isn't as deep as a lot of people think it is gets no argument from me and I like that, but I hate the idea that simplicity or even immaturity is inferior to complexity and adult themes. There is beauty in both. Also, I think that you can find both in Beatles music and in some cases there is weakness in making something overly complex. And for the record, I love Maxwell's Silver Hammer. I always put Malcolm McDowell as Alex de Large in the Maxwell role. I even like Octopus' Garden. It's not a great song, but I like it. And I actually discovered the Beatles as I've gotten older. I'm actually not that fond of the stuff I heard as a kid ("Oh Blah Di" is a song that I was never that fond of).
Still, I get where Liana was coming from. My opinion is certainly less controversial, but I think a lot of people would object to me thinking the Who is overrated. To me, they only have a handful of good songs ("My Generation", "See For Miles", much of Quadrophenia), but I have a very hard time with some of their other stuff (the music that was used on CSI openings that go on forever, half of Baba O'Riley, their Summertime Blues cover) and find it rather dull.
But I did really like the episode. I hope they do another one like this, but next time please make more notes that aren't just the plot. Soren makes some good points, but I feel too much of it is explaining the plot and then naming one or two elements they like instead of how those elements make the whole of it worth watching.
Oh, and my shitty taste (besides Octopus' Garden?). There's probably a better example I'm forgetting, but I really like the forgotten and low rated horror film P2: The Next Level in Terror. It's silly, but every time I watch it, I am invested.
Oh and They Might Be Giants as a "kid's band"? DON'T. EVEN.
Posted 03 December 2013 - 05:44 PM
I would ramble on about the frequently dark tone to their lyrics, as well as all the literary and cultural references they touch upon, but that runs straight into the juxtaposition of "high" and "low" culture that Liana is complaining about with the Beatles. It can be done well, and it can be done badly, but I have to recuse myself concerning TMBG as I've loved them since my teenage years...
Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:02 AM
Btw, very glad to hear that addition about Lola. The original Lola Bunny - all sexy-sounding here, voiced by Kath Soucie - actually DID use fundamentals and played Basketball well. None of that dynamite lighting, hammer smashing, black hole dropping toon antics. That really bugged me that it wasn't included in the actual discussion, but glad it came out eventually.
Nowadays though, she totally would pull some looney antics, since she got redesigned a few years ago and is now plenty wacky and airheaded enough to hang with the rest of them. She's voiced by Kristen Wiig now, too! But back in '97, she was the only one on that team besides Jordan who could capably sink a basket in that game
Great show this week, all! I liked this crew and their energy; this was a fun group of guys & gals. A little more comedy than usual (which was good). Even though the thinking from the "superior endings" episode seems to be becoming a throughline; that all Cracked writers/contributors/friends are only happy when stuff is "sad" or "deep" and (Space Jam being the lone example so far) only enjoy good-hearted, simple stories very sparingly.
Though, for the record, I've never liked The Beatles much either for the exact reasons listed here. Used to flat-out hate 'em, but since I'm a gamer and could not escape the gravity of The Beatles Rock Band a few years ago, I'll give 'em that they have a few great songs. Well that, or I was so entranced by Harmonix's art for some of the videos in that game that I just assumed the songs were good to match the dreamy visuals. I'm very much 1:1 with Liana there and have been trying to articulate that to friends for years. So thanks for giving me a new way to ruin friendships! Can't wait for the next Beatles discussion/argument!
Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:06 AM
Posted 04 December 2013 - 12:16 PM
Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:02 PM
I'll concede that their lyrics generally weren't very sophisticated but the music sure was. They used a lot of weird chord progressions and a lot of their later stuff is basically proto-prog rock.
Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:39 AM
I have been saying that they have a handful of great songs and a lot of bad and mediocre songs for a while too. I think that Come Together is an awful song, but In My Life is amazing, yet you're 30x more likely (probably 60x more likely if you were to include the Aerosmith cover) to hear Come Together than In My Life.
Posted 16 September 2014 - 05:59 AM
It is also important to mention that producing comedy was just a job he did. This is not to say it was outside his wheelhouse or interests, but to say "He produced comedy albums and therefore injected the Beatles music with silliness" is sort of ridiculous. Not to mention a specious argument.
George Martin went to the Guildhall School for Music, I am sure he didn't do this in the hope that he would one day be producing comedy albums. It was The Beatles who were fans of those comedy shows. It was their inherent silliness that drew them to him when they discovered his background. If anything he was a producer who helped their talent shine brighter.
If you don't like The Beatles, that's fine, I know a few people who feel the same way, but be honest about it. Instead of cheap arguments and cursory research, just admit: "You know what? The Beatles just don't do it for me" and pick another topic.
Also, to call them a "kids band" just because kids respond to their music is lame. Is music exclusionary now? Oh, kids like it so it must be bad? That's such a strange thought. I know kids who hate Creed, does that make them awesome? 'Cos I refuse to live in a world where that is the case.
Otherwise, as always, great podcast!
Oh! and The Saint is the shit. I can't believe they are having trouble getting a copy. I have had mine for years and I am so glad I do.