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Episode 149 - The Lawnmower Man: LIVE! (w/ Neil Casey, Emily Heller)


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 12:13 AM

Recorded live from Largo at the Coronet in Los Angeles, Neil Casey (Ghostbusters) and Emily Heller (Baby Geniuses) join Paul and Jason to discuss the 1992 science fiction action horror film The Lawnmower Man. They’ll talk about the Stephen King short story that the movie is based on, virtual reality sex, smart chimps, and much more.



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Posted 25 November 2016 - 01:01 AM

Emily Heller!!!
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Her podcast with Lisa Hanawalt (creator/artist, Bojack Horseman) is Baby Geniuses. I haven't listened to this episode yet but I'm just gonna give it a C+ right now. Emily is the best.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 03:54 AM

ok, i haven't listened to the episode yet and this isn't strictly relevant to it but ... and i hope paul or someone sees this:

looking at the numbers and assuming the howdies are close ... if .. and this is a big if i know ... if the next mini and the next episode add up to more than 150 minutes .. then the total run time of the minis + movies + eps is going to reach the the 480 hour mark:

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that's 20 full days of HDTGM gold ... how cool would it be if that happened on episode 150 and the howdies 2 ... not even a super intelligent VR Jeff Fahey could have planed that ... but maybe the evil genius that is Paul Scheer did!!! ... or it could be just a coincidence. anyway ... back to lawnmower man ....

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 04:19 AM

Holy shit, 11 minutes in and this is my favorite episode.

One thing I didn't get about the movie is that Jobe seems way less powerful in VR. He can make phones ring? In real life he has crazy telepathic and telekinetic powers, he can create a swarm of CGI bees, he can even take people apart on some kind of atomic level or something. The VR world looks... like a screensaver.

How does his body disappear? WHY DOES HIS BODY DISAPPEAR?

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 04:27 AM

More of a question here is Jason's internet age wrong or did he just get mixed up because if he was born in 1972 he would have only been 27 when the Phantom Menace came out?

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 05:15 AM

View Postbella_008, on 25 November 2016 - 04:27 AM, said:

More of a question here is Jason's internet age wrong or did he just get mixed up because if he was born in 1972 he would have only been 27 when the Phantom Menace came out?

Yep, that sounds about right. He was probably just off by a few years, that was almost 20 years ago.
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 06:43 AM

I read the short story in high school.

The only thing I remember was that the lawnmower mowed the lawn itself. While the lawnmower man followed nude behind it, on all fours, eating the grass it was cutting.

Or maybe I had dropped acid and read a John deer manual or something.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:45 AM

Great episode. But I am afraid I have a slight bone to pick with Researcher Nate. Surely somewhere there must exist an article or interview with the story that the monkey escape scene happened to be filmed on National Take Your Kid to Work Day. And that scene was actually shot by the 2nd unit director's 9 year old. That is the only rational explanation, right?

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:56 AM

I haven't listened to the episode yet, but watching the movie made me wonder what VR was really like back then. Which led me to this PBS special from 1992 on virtual reality: https://www.youtube....?v=u6CARe34Nxg. Kinda interesting!

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 10:27 AM

View Post24 Hour Party Pizza, on 25 November 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

Holy shit, 11 minutes in and this is my favorite episode.

One thing I didn't get about the movie is that Jobe seems way less powerful in VR. He can make phones ring? In real life he has crazy telepathic and telekinetic powers, he can create a swarm of CGI bees, he can even take people apart on some kind of atomic level or something. The VR world looks... like a screensaver.

How does his body disappear? WHY DOES HIS BODY DISAPPEAR?

Well technically his body doesn't disappear as in the sequel, he is found after the explosion buried under the rubble, leading to having to have his legs amputated. I think they meant to portray him as more powerful online as he would have worldwide range at that point then, rather than the small area within that town. Also remember that at that point the internet wasn't anywhere near wireless and the number of things that were using it were very limited, but if a person picking up a phone could be taken over by Jobe, having access to all phones was a huge get for him.

View PostNutRumpus, on 25 November 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

I haven't listened to the episode yet, but watching the movie made me wonder what VR was really like back then. Which led me to this PBS special from 1992 on virtual reality: https://www.youtube....?v=u6CARe34Nxg. Kinda interesting!

While it is dated, that was what VR was back in the early 90s. I remember going to Great America where they had a VR game you could play for 10 minutes and the graphics were about the same level and the user friendliness wasn't the best, basically leaving your avatar to continually run into walls or shoot blindly.

What I want to point out was that the kid in this movie, Austin O'Brien, who has at least four HDTGM quality films to his credit (the two Lawnmower Man movies, Last Action Hero, and Prehysteria). All of these movies need to be done on the show because they are all next level crazy and O'Brien basically becomes a more unlikable character with each progressive movie. As for this movie's connections to the short story, the only things that connected it were Jobe's job, the mower that runs on its own, and the cops talking about how the abusive dad's remains were also in the birdbath. That's a Paul Hogan level of lazy plagiarism right there.
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 10:48 AM

Now hearing the podcast and realizing just how molesty the movie was, I'm super glad June didn't participate in this one.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 10:54 AM

View Post24 Hour Party Pizza, on 25 November 2016 - 05:15 AM, said:


So, anyone know the answer to this puzzle?

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Yeah the puzzle so much wasn't finding the missing piece from the row above but more like an IQ/Mensa question where you have to figure out the pattern and find the next logical step. Even below you can see O, Q, P, which would make be believe R is the next square.
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 12:24 PM

I'm glad that someone in the audience brought up 'Flowers For Algernon'; this was basically a retake on that story but with a late 80s early 90s twist- you know with bullies and buns (sadly no roller blades though).

In regards to the VR sex scene, Jobe was able to read Marnie's mind and knew her sexual fantasies; he was going to use the VR to try and replicate them. However, unbeknownst to Jobe, the corporation had already altered the VR program by reinstating "batch 5", making it dangerous. This is why he let her be while she was stuck, and shocked that it hurt her- this is also why he turned violent at the end.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 01:06 PM

I love this episode.
I feel like they could come back to re-review and not repeat the same details already discussed.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 01:54 PM

I was a huge Stephen King fan as a kid, especially of his short stories, so I made my mom take me to see this. All I remember thinking is that this movie had nothing to do with the short story. But I was a nerdy kid and was loving the whole cyberpunk CGI virtual reality stuff so much that I was too geeked out to care I loved this movie.

I did want to point out that there is ONE part taken directly from the short story. When the two cops are talking about finding the one man's genitals in the birdbath (I think that's what they say. But I also haven't seen this movie since it was in theaters). The same thing happened at the end of the short story.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 03:37 PM

View Post24 Hour Party Pizza, on 25 November 2016 - 05:15 AM, said:

Yep, that sounds about right. He was probably just off by a few years, that was almost 20 years ago.
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So, anyone know the answer to this puzzle?

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The correct answer is the third pattern

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:21 PM

Was anyone else bothered by Jeff Fahey's lips? Because I couldn't NOT be bothered by those puffy, pink, moist protrusions.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:27 PM

Correction: a listing of similar stories includes both Flowers and Algernon and Charly, but those are 2 versions of the same story! Charly is the movie adaptation of Flowers for Algernon (which exists in both short story and novel length). That's like saying that "Trucks" and "Maximum Overdrive" are 2 different Stephen King stories about trucks.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:44 PM

View PostNutRumpus, on 25 November 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

I haven't listened to the episode yet, but watching the movie made me wonder what VR was really like back then. Which led me to this PBS special from 1992 on virtual reality: https://www.youtube....?v=u6CARe34Nxg. Kinda interesting!


From the same year, a news segment on VR:

"The kids that use our system say, 'I'm not going back to flatscreen after this!'"

A few years later into the 1990s, there was Nintendo's infamous Virtual Boy:
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:51 PM

In 1991, there was the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Game", in which the end result of centuries of advances in video game graphics is this: