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Episode 156 - Movies That Teach Men Horrible Lessons About Sex


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#1 July Diaz

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 07:12 PM

You know how when you watch and old movie and there's a Y2K joke or a WAZZZZUUUP and you think, "man, this hasn't aged well." There's now a whole category of those movies that are just classically heroic dudes being absolute dicks to women. There's even a whole supercut (https://goo.gl/ejmmDH) of all the times James Bond hits women. Just Sean Connery slapping women left and right like he's Moe and every Bond girl is Larry and Curly.

Now, hear us out on this, but there's a chance that images like this might have been hurting women instead of helping them. Crazy. Maybe normalizing violence against women or showing Harrison Ford literally whipping (https://goo.gl/QRB2Gw) Kate Capshaw into kissing him have given men unrealistic ideas about how things like consent work.

This week Jack O'Brien brings on Carmen Angelica, Jason Pargin (aka David Wong) and Katy Stoll to talk about the modern-day minefield of consent, what movies have been getting wrong about it, why it's so easy for guys to get defensive about it and a female perspective on why it's so damn important.
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Carmen Angelica Twitter: https://goo.gl/ATcFbz

Katy Stoll Twitter: https://goo.gl/FzYPCG

Jason Pargin Twitter: https://goo.gl/pNcIwx

Article: Cracked: 7 Reasons So Many Guys Don't Understand Sexual Consent: https://goo.gl/cNurtf

Video: Cracked: How To Know If A Girl is DTF: https://goo.gl/bkx5dS

Video: Han and Leia's First Kiss: https://goo.gl/HbzMm0

Article: Cracked: 5 Things Women Want Most: https://goo.gl/WsEPiR

Article: Cracked: Everything A Woman Should Know Before She's Groped: https://goo.gl/pcyEbj

Article: Cracked: 5 Ways Modern Men Are Trained To Hate Women: https://goo.gl/UJtzh

Article: New York Times: Nurse in V-J Day Photo Dies: https://goo.gl/KFxJci


Article: Vice: I Want a Feminism Class for Boys: https://goo.gl/7YUFf1
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 07:04 PM

Man, aside from Jason Pargin pushing his issues on ALL men, I find a real problem with this stupid logical fallacy:

"Let's get all the facts first, that tends to be a guy's first question when a sexual assault allegation is made, but nobody when they hear that your car is stolen, 'well let's see what the car thief has to say about that.'"

The problem here is these guys aren't able to apply critical thinking to the problem they are posing, and they reduce below the complexity is warrants. The fact is, when your car is stolen, you don't say, "let's see what the car thief has to say about that" but when someone is picked up as a SUSPECT as a car thief, a logical person WOULD say, "let's get all the facts first before we send this man/woman away." That's the point here. If a woman is sexually assaulted, it is a crime against a human, no different than any other violent crime. If she thinks it is "so and so," that does not make it true. I believe the "experts" at Cracked have probably done podcasts about the issues with eye-witness accounts. Everyone in America has a right to a fair trial, meaning "let's get the friggin' facts" before they're cast away.

There are all sorts of situations, patriarchal structures that prevent this from happening, but the issue is NOT someone saying, "let's get all the facts first."

These guys tend to think about things with an 8th grader's awe of the world. "Man, what if Jesus wasn't white???" That's great, but they need to quit acting like authorities on anything.

Edit: And I started an account here just to complain about this podcast because someone close to me listens to it, and I am forced to hear this nonsense quite often.