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#41 tomspanks

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 11:29 AM

Btw, Jammerlea, Jason gave out a drawing assignment in the podcast episode. B)

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 11:32 AM

I haven't finished listening to the episode yet, but I found it crazy that Jason had a problem with her listening and dancing to "Do You Love Me?" in the movie. I thought it was common knowledge that all the kids were listening to oldies around this time...
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 11:43 AM

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I think if I was a sleepwalker I would look to move into a high rise apartment instead of a country home where it is easy for hundreds of cats to congregate.

Why don't they just search Craigslist for "no pets" buildings near schools?

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 11:47 AM

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I think if I was a sleepwalker I would look to move into a high rise apartment instead of a country home where it is easy for hundreds of cats to congregate.


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:10 PM

I have a very personal story about this film that June will relate to. My mother and I used to watch horror films together when I was 8, 9, 10 years old from our local video store and for a few years it was our tradition. She also really loved Stephen King and when his tv mini-series specials or films would come out we would rent them or watch them on Pay-Per-View. We watched Sleepwalkers when it came out on Pay-Per-View. I remember her being very excited about it. As the film began and it was revealed the mother and son were involved in an incestuous relationship my mom paused the film and basically had the same reaction as June. She had to talk it out and we had to agree that they were just posing as a mother and son and were not really that when not in human form. However—the film is filled with contextual clues that suggest that they are indeed mother and son. The last line of the mother is, “You killed my only son.” over and over. But it’s funny because I remembered they were faking it so I guess I blocked it all out because it was too awkward sitting there watching this alone with my mother. Or I was too young to realize and my mom convinced me.

We also watched Body Parts together and I had school the next morning and she thought it would be too violent so she made me go to bed. I wanted to see it so I asked to sleep next to her in her bed while she watched it, but she made me keep my eyes shut. I therefore listened to the entire film with no visuals. Weird experience. Hearing the plot made no sense to me, I REMEMBER IT SEEMING SO OUTLANDISH EVEN TO MY YOUNG MIND!

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

I just finished the film and haven't listened to the ep yet, but I gotta say, I had a fucking blast watching this movie. Had had a grin on my face from beginning to end.

The no-holds-barred incest, the INSANE dialogue, the terrible special effects, Mädchen Amick's squeaky voice, the goddamn cats - I just could barely breathe. Just bonkers from beginning to end.

Bad Stephen King films REALLY deliver. Goddamn.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

I totally agree with whoever mentioned that there must not be many sleepwalkers due to them all being perennial nominees for Darwin awards...

Like for instance, the "deadly" cats that gathered outside the house the whole time. Obviously the mother sleepwalker has no issue using guns (and had great aim to take out those cars in one shot), and those cats weren't really moving a whole lot... So their solution to the problem is to hope that these cats wander into getting snagged by the couple randomly placed bear traps in the yard to deal with this existential threat? What the fuck?

Couldn't they just sit inside the house with a reasonably strong air rifle (so as not to bother the neighbors), open some windows, and then shoot the cats as they sat around in the grass like dumbass targets? Then after a night of plinking away at cats, they could have safely gone upstairs and boned in happiness like two nasty, shiny naked mole rats...

Also why string up the cats and hang corpses from the house? I've never heard that cats are afraid of dead cats, and I wouldn't be surprised if the furry lizards tend to cannibalize their own. So their dead kitty display might have actually been bringing more cats to the yard? Wouldn't a shovel and a shallow grave work better?

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 01:30 PM

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

First off, this movie rules. 100% Stephen King bonkers, with a Madchen Amick cherry on top. I'm genuinely in love with her! Btw, the scenario Jason posits in which King falls drunk asleep and wakes up to find the scrip on his desk? If you've read King's brilliant book On Writing you know it's probably true.

So, obviously great ep! June is the greatest :) Was super happy that Jayson mentioned the soundtrack. 50s tunes are basically a recurring theme in King's books. I'd seen this film back when I was a kid and the one scene that has really stuck with me was Tanya's dance in the old theatre. Speaking of Tanya, when Paul said she looked like someone who would seduce her therapist I immediately though of Madchen Amick's movie Dream Lover. If you are a fan of the actress, do yourselves a favor and watch it.

Also wanted to say, speaking of Stephen King: If you saw this week's teaser for IT, please allow me to posit the following scenario: kid chases paper boat, bumps head on roadblock, dies, Jacob's Ladder.

That's all. Can't wait to see who Blake interviews!
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:35 PM

I saw this movie when it came out and was a huge Stephen King fan and even I knew it was garbage.

BTW that second opinions song was great! I hope they aren't doing a new one each week. Play that one for awhile. I really enjoyed it.

I like the new intro also. I think it could have some of the ending cut off for the show. But it's really well done and I know I'll need to listen to it ten times to catch all the references.

Great episode! June was amazing with her commitment to being in denial about the incest. and Jason really wanted to hammer it home.

Also can't believe Lauren had never been on an episode before. I hope she turns into a repeat guest. She's always great.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:00 PM

i was looking for a picture of the cat to try to illustrate how dumb it is that these monsters would be afraid of him and i found one ... look at him .. even with the shotgun in the background he's cute

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but that's not why i ended up posting this image. it's because of where i found this image. it was on a site called:

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yup ... some amazing person out there has created a website dedicated to cats in movies. they list all the movies that have cats in them and the amount of detail given to each movie is nuts. they have movie summaries, production details, pictures of the cats in the movie, detailed descriptions of the cats appearances ... they have links to where you can watch it .. where you can buy the dvd .. they even list current releases that have cats in them, you know, just in case you need a new cat fix

sometimes i hate the internet but sometimes i really love it ... http://www.cinemacats.com/

you really need to read the Sleepwalkers entry: http://www.cinemacats.com/?p=1102

my favourite part .. the "Kitty Carnage Warning!"

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:02 PM

Great episode!

First of all, I hate to bum out June, but there's no getting around it--Charles and his mother are 100% blood related. If they were only related in a vampiric "one monster can create another monster" type of way, there's no reason that they should be worried about being the last two Sleepwalkers. If she had the ability to turn some random teenager into her monster-son, then there's absolutely no reason why she couldn't just do that again. Further evidence can be found in his short story where Charles writes, "Feeding on virtue. Loving to feed. Feeding to breed" which seems to confirm that Sleepwalkers reproduce sexually. (Also, did he really just read a story about mother-son incest to a classroom full of teenagers? That seems like it would have gotten a little more of a reaction...)

Anyway, my theory is, his father died long ago, and because they can't find any other Sleepwalkers, they've turned to incest as a means to perpetuate the species, and after awhile, they just sort of...started to get into it?

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But, speaking of feeding, I don't really get it. Charles and his mother seem to be eating a lot. He eats popcorn at the movies and his mother always seems to be making these elaborate meals for the two of them ("Roast chicken with cranberry dressing. Pumpkin pie for dessert.") Plus, doesn't he eat Mr. Fallows? It seems weird that they can eat regular food and people, but they starve if they don't suck purple sex light out of a virgin's mouth. There's just too much going on with them! Why aren't there any ground rules?
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:06 PM

LAUREN LAPKUS?! FINALLY! SO PUMPED TO LISTEN
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

Im 10 mins in.
Poor June.
She had to make up a whole other story and reasoning for what she was seeing on the screen other than what it was.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:20 PM

When Tanya drops by Charles' house unexpectedly for their date, why don't they just kill her right then and there? I mean, the movie plays with it a bit with sinister glances and threatening music, but ultimately, what they really seem to want to do is rush her out the door so that she can murdered in a public.

Seriously, her coming over like that is best case scenario for them! They steal her sparkle, engage in some revitalizing monster incest, and can still establish an alibi by dropping by her parent's house to "pick her up" for their date. But instead of rejoicing at their good fortune, Charles actually seems nervous that either his mother is going to try something untoward or Tanya will discover their secret. Um, who cares, bro? Isn't the plan to kill her? You are in a private residence with your mom for backup. This could not be going better for you.

At first I thought it was because the purple sex power came from a willing virgin, but based on what goes down at the cemetery, that certainly doesn't seem to be the case. And then I thought maybe there was some unexplained rule about it having to be done on holy ground or something, but the girl at the beginning of the movie was found in their house, so that doesn't seem to be the case either. They just seem to be going to the cemetery because he made plans with Tanya to go there and he likes to honor his commitments.

I honestly think there was an earlier draft of this movie in which Charles actually is in love with Tanya. There are a couple of times in the movie where this is teased that it might be the case, and it would explain how the villain of the movie is kind of treated like the hero. My guess is that when he attacks and scratches her at the cemetery, she was supposed to turn into a Sleepwalker, too. Once she had accepted this change of life, Charles and Tanya would have teamed up against his mother and the two would have left town to live happily ever after. However, I think they ran into the pretty insurmountable issue of making an incestuous killer/rapist a viable love interest for Tanya. Once they realized they weren't going to be able to effectively pull off that little bit of insanity, they decided to make Charles go straight up Loony Tunes. This would also explain why our main character (for lack of a better word) is essentially out of commission during the final Act of the movie. Once the love story was written out, there was no longer a place for him within the narrative.
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:53 PM

Did anyone notice that when homeboy tries to take her life force at the end of the movie, she talks for a second, and the beam shuts off when her mouth closes?

Maybe just close your fucking mouth?
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:59 PM

View PostCameron H., on 31 March 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

When Tanya drops by Charles' house unexpectedly for their date, why don't they just kill her right then and there? I mean, the movie plays with it a bit with sinister glances and threatening music, but ultimately, what they really seem to want to do is rush her out the door so that she can murdered in a public.

Seriously, her coming over like that is best case scenario for them! They steal her sparkle, engage in some revitalizing monster incest, and can still establish an alibi by dropping by her parent's house to "pick her up" for their date. But instead of rejoicing at their good fortune, Charles actually seems nervous that either his mother is going to try something untoward or Tanya will discover their secret. Um, who cares, bro? Isn't the plan to kill her? You are in a private residence with your mom for backup. This could not be going better for you.


I have to wonder if it was a scenario where her lifeforce is more potent and recharges them more if she is really in love with the son. To me it's like how when cooking a lobster, it is better to put a knife through it's head to kill it instantly rather than putting it into boiling water alive, because by doing the latter, the lobster is pumping with adrenaline, or its form of that chemical, and its meat firms up and loses some of its flavor, which doesn't occur if you kill it in one stab. So by taking Tanya on a date, he is in essence seasoning her for the main course.
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 05:04 PM

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I have to wonder if it was a scenario where her lifeforce is more potent and recharges them more if she is really in love with the son. To me it's like how when cooking a lobster, it is better to put a knife through it's head to kill it instantly rather than putting it into boiling water alive, because by doing the latter, the lobster is pumping with adrenaline, or its form of that chemical, and its meat firms up and loses some of its flavor, which doesn't occur if you kill it in one stab. So by taking Tanya on a date, he is in essence seasoning her for the main course.


Could be...Maybe romance is like a seasoning? Like, he was dead at the end of the movie but a slow dance was enough to resurrect him...
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 05:20 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 31 March 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

Did anyone notice that when homeboy tries to take her life force at the end of the movie, she talks for a second, and the beam shuts off when her mouth closes?

Maybe just close your fucking mouth?

Oh look. My Amazon rental still had 14 hours left, so I could make a gif of this:

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