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Episode 166 - Timecop: LIVE!


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#1 July Diaz

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 01:45 AM

Nick Kroll (Oh, Hello on Broadway, The House) returns to join Paul, June, and Jason to discuss the 1994 Jean-Claude Van Damme movie Timecop. Recorded live from Austin, Texas, they cover JCVD’s grief mullet, actor/activist Ron Silver’s nut work, the confusing time travel, and much more.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:07 AM

The biggest issue I have with the logic of this glorious film, is that we are clearly told that we can’t travel into the future; only into the past. But if the past is effected… then technically the future has been adjusted. This would mean the future is unreachable by any timecop who effects the past.

For example, when JCVD goes back to October 30, 1929 to arrest his ex-partner… a major shoot out takes place in the office. No memories are erased of those innocent bystanders. In fact there are even more people who witness two individuals falling out of a window, disappear in mid-air, and then :30-:60 mins later, one returns to complete the fall and die. I mean what if someone from the McGill clan witnessed this crazy event and swears that this world is not suitable for children. So then Bruce is never born and someone else is put in charge of TEC. This new leader doesn't like JCVD... they are never friends... and JCVD is never hired to be the top timecop.

In the end we aren’t sure how this one event on October 30th could effect the future, but it does act like a stone being tossed into a lake. Ripples are created and thus, the future has been effected and not what it was like when we left it.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:15 AM

Paul is 100% correct in that the house blowing up and Mia Sara’s death, happens before JCVD is even investigating actor/activist Ron Silver. JCVD should have a wife and child when we first meet him. Then after bringing in his ex-partner and having an awkward interaction with actor/activist Ron Silva, he wakes up the next day to an empty house. He then later finds out from Bruce McGill that he never had a kid and sadly, his wife was killed due to a unsolved gas explosion in 1994.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:57 AM

View PostWhat's Its Mission?, on 07 July 2017 - 03:07 AM, said:

The biggest issue I have with the logic of this glorious film, is that we are clearly told that we can’t travel into the future; only into the past. But if the past is effected… then technically the future has been adjusted. This would mean the future is unreachable by any timecop who effects the past.
Yes, someone who travels into the past is now in the past -- their "present" is the unlived future. Therefore they should not be able to return to their own time. It pretty much unravels the entire premise.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:13 AM

When future JCVD decides to meddle with the past and save his wife, why does he not tell her this is the night she dies? Explain to her that there will be intruders. Maybe it'll be too tough for her to convince '94 JCVD, but at least give her a fighting chance. By lying to her before the invasion, Mia Sara could very well think she's invincible for she's been told she's alive in the future.

And most importantly, even if Mia Sara was not aware that she actually dies this night... she is still thrown off by meeting her future husband. And even with this knowledge, which surely messed with her head, she's still DTF with '94 JCVD. I guess there's really is no denying the power of those sweet, tight JCVD buns.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:13 AM

As an government organization that is receiving billions of tax dollars to protect the present and future, why is there not a fail safe method in place to protect any timecops that come back from the past to a future that is quite different from how they left it?

Some kind of log that travels with the timecop, so that he or she can prove the present they've returned to has been altered.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:26 AM

There is only one true victim in this movie. The consciousness of JCVD that raises that kid from 1994 to 2004 in the Happy Ending Timeline and then is shoved into the void when protagonist JCVD comes into the picture.

Regarding the plot point that the same matter can't occupy the same space at the same time. Isn't that true for any matter? I think you've got nuclear fusion in that case. But even going by the movie's definition that holding hands counts as occupying the same space but it has to be the "same matter" our bodies are constantly replacing our skin. So unless you went back in time just a few days and shook hands with your past self it isn't the same matter.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:40 AM

YES! So happy to be able to listen to how this was recorded! This was by far one of the BEST shows I've ever gotten to see live and y'all made all us Texans (and those who traveled from out of state) the happiest people in the world! I'm also incredibly happy to have gotten to spend time with JammerLea, EternalSammich, and Fister! Internet friends made into real friends!!!

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:09 AM

32 minutes into the show, and no one has told Paul that it's not "Ron Silva".

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:11 AM

View PostJimKata, on 07 July 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

32 minutes into the show, and no one has told Paul that it's not "Ron Silva".

Wait for it
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:17 AM

I just sat down and started the episode... But I'm stuck at work and will post my full notes in like 10 hours or so when I get back home

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:37 AM

View PostChunkStyle, on 07 July 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

Regarding the plot point that the same matter can't occupy the same space at the same time. Isn't that true for any matter? I think you've got nuclear fusion in that case. But even going by the movie's definition that holding hands counts as occupying the same space but it has to be the "same matter" our bodies are constantly replacing our skin. So unless you went back in time just a few days and shook hands with your past self it isn't the same matter.


I had the same thought. Our bodies are constantly turning over cells. Skin cells (epidermis) have a lifespan of about 2-4 weeks. Then I got curious and looked up the lifespans of various cell types. Colon cells have a lifespan of only 4 days! So the lesson is, if you ever meet your future self, make sure to only touch colons.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:47 AM

View PostChunkStyle, on 07 July 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

There is only one true victim in this movie. The consciousness of JCVD that raises that kid from 1994 to 2004 in the Happy Ending Timeline and then is shoved into the void when protagonist JCVD comes into the picture.



I had this exact thought. If anyone here has ever played "Life is Strange," the player-character can control time and her best friend knows this, so there are moments when you travel forward to the present after going to the past, and the friend say, "oh, you're really back now." And I always wondered what it must be like to be living your life and then have your consciousness replaced by an alternate self. And what about the friend who knows this can happen to you?

Come to think of it, shouldn't Mia Sara know that this would happen after '04 JCVD leaves '94 after saving every body? '94 Mia Sara knows about time travel, so when '04 JCVD goes back, she should know that should happen as she goes on living life with '94 JCVD. Do you think that's implied by the strange look she gives him when they kiss at the end of the movie -- "Oh, today was the day, wasn't it? You don't remember anything about your life since 1994. Well, this is your son, his name is Junior. Oh, and we rebuilt the house that blew up."

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:49 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 07 July 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:


I had the same thought. Our bodies are constantly turning over cells. Skin cells (epidermis) have a lifespan of about 2-4 weeks. Then I got curious and looked up the lifespans of various cell types. Colon cells have a lifespan of only 4 days! So the lesson is, if you ever meet your future self, make sure to only touch colons.


Not only that, but holding hands isn't the same as occupying the same space -- you're just really close together.

"It's almost as if the logic of Timecop is flawed."

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:49 AM

Both Nick Kroll eps I already owned the films and LEGIT LOVED Burlesque and TimeCop. I feel he's trolling me.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:53 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 07 July 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:


I had the same thought. Our bodies are constantly turning over cells. Skin cells (epidermis) have a lifespan of about 2-4 weeks. Then I got curious and looked up the lifespans of various cell types. Colon cells have a lifespan of only 4 days! So the lesson is, if you ever meet your future self, make sure to only touch colons.

We do keep some cells more or less forever: stem cells, eggs (until ovulation), and terminally differentiated cells (some neurons, some muscle cells, the eye lens).

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:55 AM

View PostLTL, on 07 July 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

Both Nick Kroll eps I already owned the films and LEGIT LOVED Burlesque and TimeCop. I feel he's trolling me.


Do you also own From Justin to Kelly? He did that one too.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:58 AM

The JCVD episodes never disappoint. This has to be one one of the best episodes in the history of the show.

Maybe it's because JCVD's films are so batshit but yet so enjoyable that they are tailor made for this podcast.

Or maybe it's just because I was saw all of these in the theatre and I'm reliving my youth.

Would love for them to eventually do Sudden Death which Van Damme and Peter Hyams made immediately following this film. Another ridiculous but well crafted action film.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:58 AM

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:00 AM

View Postjoel_rosenbaum, on 07 July 2017 - 06:53 AM, said:

We do keep some cells more or less forever: stem cells, eggs (until ovulation), and terminally differentiated cells (some neurons, some muscle cells, the eye lens).


I agree, but the Ron Silvas were literally not touching those things.