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Episode 167 - Chopping Mall: LIVE!


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#121 Delwyn

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:25 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 31 July 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm sorry you had a bad experience, and I'm sorry that this was a bad episode for you. However, it's not "shutting you down" or "recontextualizing" to point out that they DID address the exact thing you complained about. And that even the people saying the "yay bewbs" stuff (which has been a running bit for Jason's persona on this show for pretty much as long as they have been doing movies like this) called him a fucking creep.

If this was a show about representation or exploitation, it would be one thing. But this a podcast that makes fun of bad movies and the people that make them. It doesn't mean you have to like the people who made those movies, but it also means that it's kind of silly to rail against the show and the hosts because you had a bad experience with a filmmaker (especially when they call out the filmmaker for the same things you have problems with).


Eventually, they did. I never miss an episode and I will always be a fan. I don't really need a refresher course on the podcast, thanks. If this were a Roman Polanski episode, I bet you would also want to know upfront. Maybe I'm too close to it; I understand this is a personal problem. However, by your logic June also being uncomfortable with this guy is offside when it comes to a podcast that only exists for making fun of the movie.

But since you completed my mansplain bingo card with "silly, I'm sorry you feel that way and well, actually" I'm going throw in the towel. (Correcting a "railing" woman and dismissing her concerns about how women are portrayed on the screen and treated in the workplace were the free spaces, in case you were wondering.)

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:46 AM

View PostDelwyn, on 01 August 2017 - 12:25 AM, said:

But since you completed my mansplain bingo card with "silly, I'm sorry you feel that way and well, actually" I'm going throw in the towel. (Correcting a "railing" woman and dismissing her concerns about how women are portrayed on the screen and treated in the workplace were the free spaces, in case you were wondering.)

I never dismissed your concerns. I said that I disagree with your statements like this:

View PostDelwyn, on 22 July 2017 - 04:24 AM, said:

I love your podcast so much and never miss an episode, but couldn't finish this one and honestly my opinion of Paul and Jason has diminished a bit over this.


When they definitely called out the thing you are talking about. Outside of making the whole episode about that one thing, I don't understand what else you want from them. But apparently, it's "mansplaining" to a "railing woman" (whose gender I had no idea of until this very moment) to say that you are blaming Paul and Jason for simply covering a movie by a guy you (and they) find creepy.

View PostDelwyn, on 01 August 2017 - 12:25 AM, said:

Eventually, they did. I never miss an episode and I will always be a fan. I don't really need a refresher course on the podcast, thanks. If this were a Roman Polanski episode, I bet you would also want to know upfront. Maybe I'm too close to it; I understand this is a personal problem. However, by your logic June also being uncomfortable with this guy is offside when it comes to a podcast that only exists for making fun of the movie.

No, that's not my logic. My point was that they talked about it (including in this very part!), and you acted like it was something that was never even mentioned.

And I get feeling grossed out by the "yay boobs" thing, but that is a staple of the show, which is why it seemed like you did, in fact, need a refresher on the podcast. Had you said, "I know it's a thing they do normally, but this felt really gross this time because of what a creep this director is," that would be one thing. Instead, you came in with an issue about a bit, seemingly ignored the context of that bit, and then when I disagreed, you said I was "shutting down" and "recontextualizing" you.
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:29 AM

To amend my previous statement slightly (mostly because I've been thinking about the Polanski analogy you proposed), would it have been better if they had just hit it right out of the gate?

I'm sure no one on the show knew what a creepy asshole Wynorski was when they picked the movie. I'm guessing that kind of stuff comes up during their research (and I'm not totally sure how much of that would have been uncovered by Paul and how much would have been Nate). And it's obvious June didn't know until the clip was played, so I would assume Jason wouldn't know either (since he often watches movies on the way to a recording, I don't see him doing a lot of research).

I also don't know how much of that kind of audio Paul listens to. I would imagine that he listens to anything they play beforehand, but at the same time, they do have researchers, and maybe he just trusts their instincts? Or maybe he listened to it quickly and thought, "Yeah, this dude's a creep," but it didn't really register how bad it really was until he saw June's reaction? Or maybe he chose to put it at the end of the show because he didn't want to cast a pall over the whole show?

So I guess I'm trying to figure out where in the show they should mention this. If they mention it up top, maybe it's a bit better because it prevents the whole "yay boobs" discussion and curtails some other discussions about the nudity in the movie. But at the same time, you could feel the wind pushed out of the show entirely after they played that clip, and that could be a really hard thing to recover from when you're trying to do a comedy show where people have paid money to see you make fun of a movie. So I kind appreciate what kind of situation Paul was in. Maybe he mentions at the top of the show that this guy is a creeper, but they don't play the full audio of his creepy, manipulative bullshit until the end?

I don't know.
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:26 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 22 July 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

I think that might be actual post-Largo footage. The end of this ep got....awkward

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 10:20 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 01 August 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

To amend my previous statement slightly (mostly because I've been thinking about the Polanski analogy you proposed), would it have been better if they had just hit it right out of the gate?

I'm sure no one on the show knew what a creepy asshole Wynorski was when they picked the movie. I'm guessing that kind of stuff comes up during their research (and I'm not totally sure how much of that would have been uncovered by Paul and how much would have been Nate). And it's obvious June didn't know until the clip was played, so I would assume Jason wouldn't know either (since he often watches movies on the way to a recording, I don't see him doing a lot of research).

I also don't know how much of that kind of audio Paul listens to. I would imagine that he listens to anything they play beforehand, but at the same time, they do have researchers, and maybe he just trusts their instincts? Or maybe he listened to it quickly and thought, "Yeah, this dude's a creep," but it didn't really register how bad it really was until he saw June's reaction? Or maybe he chose to put it at the end of the show because he didn't want to cast a pall over the whole show?

So I guess I'm trying to figure out where in the show they should mention this. If they mention it up top, maybe it's a bit better because it prevents the whole "yay boobs" discussion and curtails some other discussions about the nudity in the movie. But at the same time, you could feel the wind pushed out of the show entirely after they played that clip, and that could be a really hard thing to recover from when you're trying to do a comedy show where people have paid money to see you make fun of a movie. So I kind appreciate what kind of situation Paul was in. Maybe he mentions at the top of the show that this guy is a creeper, but they don't play the full audio of his creepy, manipulative bullshit until the end?

I don't know.

Someone passed on to me that you are still bothered by my personal opinion so: Why use the movie at all if the found research and director commentary would cast a pall over the whole show if mentioned up front? I used Polanski to make the point that I would find the movie choice off putting regardless of personal experience with the director or not. I can't recall them doing a movie before that was helmed by an exploitative porn director to compare this to.

I don't know.

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 05:28 AM

View PostDelwyn, on 05 August 2017 - 10:20 PM, said:

Someone passed on to me that you are still bothered by my personal opinion so: Why use the movie at all if the found research and director commentary would cast a pall over the whole show if mentioned up front? I used Polanski to make the point that I would find the movie choice off putting regardless of personal experience with the director or not. I can't recall them doing a movie before that was helmed by an exploitative porn director to compare this to.

I don't know.

Mostly because of this:

View PostFister Roboto, on 01 August 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'm sure no one on the show knew what a creepy asshole Wynorski was when they picked the movie. I'm guessing that kind of stuff comes up during their research (and I'm not totally sure how much of that would have been uncovered by Paul and how much would have been Nate). And it's obvious June didn't know until the clip was played, so I would assume Jason wouldn't know either (since he often watches movies on the way to a recording, I don't see him doing a lot of research).


I would imagine their research brings these things to light pretty close to the time of the show, and the closer to the show, the more difficult it becomes to change the movie. They don't research these movies before choosing them, and again, I don't feel that covering a movie doesn't mean endorsing the actions of its creator.

But I can only assume you have as much of a problem with Hard Ticket to Hawaii as you did with Chopping Mall?
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Posted 06 August 2017 - 07:53 AM

View PostDelwyn, on 05 August 2017 - 10:20 PM, said:

Someone passed on to me that you are still bothered by my personal opinion so:
Maybe we should stop right here. Because this is pretty thinly veiled putdown, and that doesn't really have any place on these forums. Here would be a good place for me to note that Fister has a long comment history and good standing besides. But avoiding personal attacks is good policy even if the preceding weren't true.

Just my 0.02.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:02 AM

View Postjoel_rosenbaum, on 06 August 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

Maybe we should stop right here. Because this is pretty thinly veiled putdown, and that doesn't really have any place on these forums. Here would be a good place for me to note that Fister has a long comment history and good standing besides. But avoiding personal attacks is good policy even if the preceding weren't true.

Just my 0.02.

Thank you. I wish we could have agreed to disagree a long time ago. I will continue to enjoy future episodes of HDTGM with no further input. I apologize for disrupting the community. As a new commenter, it was not my place to interfere.