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#41 What's Its Mission?

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 12:43 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 21 July 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:


Hey, if a group of teenagers want to throw a small orgy in secret, after hours, on someone else's property, smoke a few cigs, and say a few cuss words, who are you to pass judgment? Morality goes beyond your 1's and 0's!


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 01:43 PM

View PostKevAsbell, on 21 July 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

A few things:

-- everybody in this movie seems to answer phone calls and the person on the other end is asking if they have any messages or something... also, who answers a public pay phone? But this also means the phones work... Yet they never even try to call for help

-- so this mall wants high tech security robots... But really DOESNT want 1 alarm? There isn't 1 alarmed store in this whole building

-- The upgraded security was big news in the mall. They held s demo in the middle of the place... Now you're a group of "teens" planning an... Orgy party... Wouldn't you say "let's not do it the same night that they upgrade the security system?


I came to the forum to remark on the alarm thing. Multiple store front windows smashed and no alarms. Not even a silent alarm that alerts the killbots that a specific store has been broken into. Seems like a strange omission considering the insane level of security otherwise. Was this technology not invented yet in 1986?

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 01:49 PM

June has been replaced by SkyNet.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:19 PM

The tone of this movie is so bizarre to me. It seems like it was only made to appeal to roughly 13-16 year old boys, people who would not even be able to buy a ticket to see it.

It has awkwardly forced swearing and needless, gratuitous nudity, but it's never even as scary as a Goosebumps. Is this even supposed to be a horror movie? It's more in line with Twilight Zone or Outer Limits I guess, just without any of the subtext or quality.
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It seems like this movie got made and the studio realized how fucking terrible it was and just said fuck it, let's deliberately market this as something it is not. I'd respect this movie more if they just stuck with the original Killbots title.

Like it was mentioned in the episode, the poster is selling a COMPLETELY different movie, and "Chopping Mall," while actually a pretty badass title, doesn't make any goddamn sense for this movie! A movie called Chopping Mall has to be a stalker/slasher flick more akin to Friday the 13th or Sleepaway Camp or something in that vein. The Protectors do not and seemingly can not chop jack shit! The closest thing to a chop is Gum Chewin' Mike's murder, and we can all agree that's really more of a slice.

The studio knew exactly what they were doing. That is some deliberate and sinister false advertising.


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:36 PM

View Postfirsttimecallerlongtimelistenr, on 21 July 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

the garbage pail kids was never really a thing here. or maybe i was too young to care. i remember the cards but i've never seen the movie. and i have no idea what hard ticket to hawaii is.

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there's a version of each of these on youtube but the GPK one seems short compared to the IMDB runtime. does anyone if it's the peoper version?

Not excited about the Garbage Pail Kids. I hated the cards, didn't know there was a movie and did not care to know.

View PostSmelsela, on 21 July 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

You know you listen to HDTGM a lot when you listen to a new episode, hear one of the audience members ask a question, and think, "Wait...isn't that the same Brie (sp?) from the Furious 7 episode that 'likes that Groot guy'". (Pretty sure it is. Went back to listen to Furious 7 again and that woman's name IS Brie (sp?) as well...)

Probably? There are regulars at the Largo shows. There's Tim (who would sing the Second Opinions them, asks a question in this one and answered Jason's nerd questions in My Stepmother is an Alien), Aarthi the Knitting Girl, Tim Curry guy/Robert, and some other ones. Anyone have a fave recurring audience member?

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:40 PM

So some stray lightning strikes fried the robots CPUs and they became killbots? Is this what we're suppose to believe? If you try to argue that one of things that got fried was their non-lethal programing or acceptable limits of voltage and strength to use with their tasers and lasers I can see that. Yet there is one action these robots do multiple times that would serve no purpose in their non-lethal programming which proves that these things were programmed for murder all along! These robots move, hide, and manipulate the bodies of their victims. They murder the first technician and hide the body from the next technician. When they kill gum chewer they position his body behind the cigarette machine even though he was killed over by the door. Then there is the fact that even though we pass by where several of the teens dead bodies should be they aren't there. Now I ask you why would the robots do this? What part of non-lethal programing would require they to be moving bodies? Also two of the bodies are moved or hidden in a way to lure the next victim into a trap. They are night security robots! Performing stings is not something they'd be doing so why is that programing in them? No clearly these things were always programmed for murder.
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Posted 21 July 2017 - 03:57 PM

LOL. I have one question: why does the Pizza Store owner/chef look homeless as all get up.

That dude needs a shower and new white tee

also, towards the end when the robots are going ham, I can't help but see this every time they attack

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:23 PM

if jason thinks this is a "dad bod" then mazel tov to his mother

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:27 PM

Sorry, new to the forum. How do I post a theme for "corrections and omissions?"

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 04:43 PM

View Postkateacola, on 21 July 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

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Tangentally related to your post; did Dick Miller ever turn down a movie? This was two years after Gremlins, in which he had a fairly significant role. Did he need to take these movies anymore? I guess he was a Corman guy through and through.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 05:39 PM

So looking at the cast list there are a bunch of horror performers in this film and a couple with connections to other Roger Corman films.

Kelli Maroney (Allison) starred in another horror movie with an 80s mall setting in Night of the Comet.
Russell Todd (Rick/Silver Fox) was in the second Friday the 13th.
Barbara Crampton (Suzie) is a scream queen who has starred in Re-Animator, You're Next, and We Are Still Here, among others.
Mary Woronov (Mary Bland) was Calamity Jane in Death Race 2000.
Dick Miller was the neighbor in the Gremlins movies and his character in this film, Walter Paisley, is the same name as his character in the Corman film A Bucket of Blood.
Mel Welles (Cook) was in a couple different Corman flicks.
Gerrit Graham (2nd security tech) was in Terrorvision.
Angus Scrimm (Dr. Carrington) is the Tall Man in the Phantasm series.

Also, how did no one point out the worst death of the entire movie that was even more avoidable than Suzie's kerosene can explosion, is Rick's who drives a golf cart into a robot and gets electrocuted. The cart was going at most 3 miles per hour and was only like ten feet away from the robot so he had negative chance to get any speed to ram the robot, the guy basically just zapped himself to death to basically just tip a robot over.
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Posted 21 July 2017 - 06:32 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 21 July 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:


Does it pass the Bechdel test, though? I agree that Alison is pretty badass, but when do any two women have a conversation that doesn't eventually lead back to a guy? In the pizzeria, they're complaining about the nasty customer ("MORE BUTTER!!"). In the locker room, Suze convinces Alison to come to the "party" by promising her that Ferdy has a good personality. And in the heating duct, although the heat is the main complaint at first, Suze ultimately decides to turn back because she thinks the guys might be in trouble. I don't remember another scene featuring just two women. Does it count that Alison and Linda later make a plan to take down the central computer, even if the other three guys are there, too?

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They discuss their survival and situation in the air ducts. It's Aliens level Bechdel test passing. But that's actually Allison's example in her updated version of her test.

NO ONE HAS NOTICED THIS BUT IT'S THE MOST HIGH BROW THING IN THIS FILM:

The sporting good's store where they get the guns? It's called Peckinpah's. I have to assume after Sam Peckinpah, a la The Wild Bunch. Makes sense because it becomes a Western like High Noon after that point. Shame on everyone for not noticing that.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 08:03 PM

View PostSweatyPremise, on 21 July 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

They discuss their survival and situation in the air ducts. It's Aliens level Bechdel test passing. But that's actually Allison's example in her updated version of her test.

NO ONE HAS NOTICED THIS BUT IT'S THE MOST HIGH BROW THING IN THIS FILM:

The sporting good's store where they get the guns? It's called Peckinpah's. I have to assume after Sam Peckinpah, a la The Wild Bunch. Makes sense because it becomes a Western like High Noon after that point. Shame on everyone for not noticing that.

I listened to the commentary for this. In between being misogynist creeps, they confirmed this.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:45 PM

I worked for Roger Corman about 10 years ago. Chopping Mall was a favorite among the younger staff. Some behind the scenes notes:

The film was shot at the Sherman Oaks Galleria. Its owner at the time was, among other things, a creepy horn dog who would rent it out cheap to anyone shooting a film if it meant he could hang out on set and hit on Hollywood actresses/models. The mall has since been extensively remodeled (it's now open air) and is completely unrecognizable.

Jim Wynorski is a fucking creep. He's shot tons of soft and I think hard core porn under various pseudonyms. Never met the guy personally but he was shooting something for Roger while I worked there. The movie he was shooting included a sex scene but the male lead (a martial artist turned actor) had qualms about showing his butt on camera. So I was dispatched to the hooker clothes store in Hollywood to purchase a flesh colored thong for him. The thong was clearly visible in the frame and when one of the PA's pointed that out he said "If they're looking at his ass they're a bunch of fags!" I heard from more than one person who worked on set with him that they felt like they needed a shower afterwards.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:39 PM

Here's a question, why are there even two technicians for the robots? Unless there is a massive time jump after the opening credits, that is the first night the robots are being used. The robots are only being run at nighttime too, so during the day the robots are shut down and locked away in the control room. Why is there a technician there during the day? He literally has nothing to do because the robots aren't running. It's not a security center for the whole mall, it's just for the robots. No wonder he's doing crosswords and looking and centerfolds, he's stuck in a tiny room with nothing to do all day. Then the second guy shows up to relieve the first. He's not even come in to set the robots loose in the mall or anything, he's come to just sit and wait too. Why not employ one technician that works from the time the mall closes to when it's open? You're just encouraging their lazy behavior.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 04:24 AM

I signed up to the Earwolf forum specifically to let you know what a massive effing creep Jim Wynorski is to work with and how disappointed I am in your show for even in engaging in this movie and Paul and Jason's delight over the gratuitous nudity. Jim is an appalling, exploitative person who sprung nudity on our set - the actress was implied to be his girlfriend - with no notice on the call sheet. Wardrobe was not informed because she didn't need any at all. The movie was in no way scripted to have porn or sex or nudity. I was brought into the production by a show runner I trusted and he was really ashamed and apologetic once he realized how things were for our actresses and crew.

I love your podcast so much and never miss an episode, but couldn't finish this one and honestly my opinion of Paul and Jason has diminished a bit over this. You usually feature trivia and research and alternate scenes/endings. How did the foulness of this guy get past you? It's easy to find plenty of information on how awful he is to the female gender on both the cast and the crew.

Like I said, June and Paul and Jason and all your wonderful guests have delighted me for so long. I was surprised by how actively angry your dismissal of such a gross person's behaviour made me. I hope I don't ever feel compelled to sign into these forums for anything other than praise and respect again.

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 06:49 AM

When the first audience member at a live show starts with "Here's this shared universe theory that I have...", I know it's going to be a "meh" Q&A. Maybe they should be like, "We're going to have a live Q&A, but we're cutting this shit off when the first person comes in with a lazy shared universe Q (or talks about the first time they jerked off)."
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:45 AM

View PostDelwyn, on 22 July 2017 - 04:24 AM, said:

I signed up to the Earwolf forum specifically to let you know what a massive effing creep Jim Wynorski is to work with and how disappointed I am in your show for even in engaging in this movie and Paul and Jason's delight over the gratuitous nudity. Jim is an appalling, exploitative person who sprung nudity on our set - the actress was implied to be his girlfriend - with no notice on the call sheet. Wardrobe was not informed because she didn't need any at all. The movie was in no way scripted to have porn or sex or nudity. I was brought into the production by a show runner I trusted and he was really ashamed and apologetic once he realized how things were for our actresses and crew.

I love your podcast so much and never miss an episode, but couldn't finish this one and honestly my opinion of Paul and Jason has diminished a bit over this. You usually feature trivia and research and alternate scenes/endings. How did the foulness of this guy get past you? It's easy to find plenty of information on how awful he is to the female gender on both the cast and the crew.

Like I said, June and Paul and Jason and all your wonderful guests have delighted me for so long. I was surprised by how actively angry your dismissal of such a gross person's behaviour made me. I hope I don't ever feel compelled to sign into these forums for anything other than praise and respect again.

So, you listened to the first five minutes where Jason did his normal persona thing and talked about the nudity in the movie, then turned it off and came here to complain? Because they definitely address the director's creepiness.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:16 AM

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I hope Art Spiegelman is the special guest for the Garbage Pail Kids movie.

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 10:16 AM

this made me happy

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but this made me sad

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I've watched him be a terrible parent every christmas since i was 11 .. RIP John Heard