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Episode 168 - Hard Ticket to Hawaii: LIVE!


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#21 H.P.Hovercraft

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:07 PM

 grudlian., on 04 August 2017 - 07:13 AM, said:

I'm only a few minutes into the podcast but calling this a feminist movie as they do makes me legit angry. Just passing the Bechdel test doesn't make a movie pro women. Just having the women be badasses doesn't make it pro women.

The scene that bothered me the most, beyond the "you practically raped me" line, is the scene where the woman held hostage is strung up and tortured with a whip. It immediately cuts to a man having an orgasm so their screams blend together.

On one hand, I'm glad June didn't have to watch this but I wish she had to take everyone to task.


I think it was a pretty obvious joke that they were referring to this movie as "feminist" based solely on the Bechdel test.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:17 PM

 Fister Roboto, on 04 August 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

I came here to make a similar point after they mentioned it early in the episode, but I should have known you and grudlian would be on the case already :)

(Someone in the previous ep thread called the thoroughly problematic last movie "feminist" because it passed the Bechdel Test, too)


But without the Bechdel Test, how can I - a simple man - know when a female character is being exploited or being otherwise treated like garbage? It's almost like you're asking me to be a discerning viewer...Do you really expect me to turn off my lizard brain and view women as equals and not like masturbatory aids?

All I know is that this movie had two topless women in a jacuzzi not talking about a man, and therefore, they must possess agency and strength. Obviously, this was what the director had in mind when he shot this scene. I mean, as long as they weren't touching each other's breasts everything is cool, right?
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:21 PM

This movie is a gem. I wanted to submit these illuminating Andy Sidaris quotes (he also refers to a never-made sequel to Hard Ticket called BattleZone Hawaii):

Why he shot in Hawaii: "A lot of people think it’s cute to work 20 hour days, but it’s not, it’s stupid. The dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life was watching Cast Away, which is a terrific picture with Tom Hanks. However they went to some small island that they had to take a hundred boats to get to every morning. They had to leave at 3 in the morning to get there at 5am. Then they’d wade to shore where they built a little city with toilets and things. They could have gone to Molakai! We were shooting on the golf course. We’d be in the “jungle” and turn around and there was the country club! Two hundred yards out from the hotel, there were mountains and the ocean. Meanwhile, they went to some little island. It’s absolutely stupid to take a crew down there and risk their lives every morning."
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"We've never shown anything below the waist, and we don't do any bumping and grinding or any of that crap. We just do a little bit of sexy stuff. I like our pictures, because they're nice little adventure pictures. They're not mean-spirited, and I think you know that. In our movies, we don't put a knife to some girl's throat and say "We're gonna cut your t*** off, or cut your throat." We don't do crap like that. We have a family atmosphere, we pay well, and we pay on time."

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What are your future plans?: "Arlene and I have taken a hiatus in order to get up to speed on our company and our ongoing projects. We are now ready to get back into production. I’ve written a pretty exciting outline for BattleZone Hawaii with all the usual ingredients; many exotic locations, fabulous explosions, extraordinarily beautiful Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets, extremely handsome men; some of whom can’t shoot straight but their hearts are in the right place and, most importantly, the snake that was killed in Hard Ticket to Hawaii, laid an egg prior to its death. This egg is hatched and just like its mother this huge, cancerous-infected python is mad as hell!!! Wow! I can’t wait to see this movie."
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

 Fister Roboto, on 04 August 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

I came here to make a similar point after they mentioned it early in the episode, but I should have known you and grudlian would be on the case already :)/>

(Someone in the previous ep thread called the thoroughly problematic last movie "feminist" because it passed the Bechdel Test, too)

Aww shucks

I know going into these movies what we're getting into and, for the most part, I'm fine with it to an extent. If someone even wants to excuse it with, "hey, it's a low budget, 80s action movie... what do you expect?" or "it was a long time ago. We didn't know better," I'm fine with that too. But to say this is a feminist movie, get real. Paul and Jason know better and I'm assuming the guests hosts do too.

If you're going into one of these clearly misogynist movies, they can either address the elephant in the room or gloss over it. Don't call the elephant the opposite of an elephant though.

I like them mentioning some of the problems upfront and throughout. Talking down the "practically rape" director or written by a fifth grader. That's a better way to address it than Chopping Mall. So, there's some progress.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:29 PM

 H.P.Hovercraft, on 04 August 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:


I think it was a pretty obvious joke that they were referring to this movie as "feminist" based solely on the Bechdel test.

Maybe. But after them sounding somewhat serious about Ninja Terminator being one of their most feminist movies, I want to nip any potential in the bud.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 12:59 PM

Honestly, I'm just now starting the episode... because I've been binging My Favorite Murder... so to see that Karen Kilgariff is one of the guests today is making me lose my mind lol!

I'll have more comments later of course.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 01:14 PM

 grudlian., on 04 August 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

Maybe. But after them sounding somewhat serious about Ninja Terminator being one of their most feminist movies, I want to nip any potential in the bud.

Okay yeah after actually hearing the beginning it is very obvious that they are joking about this being a feminist movie, but they have actually said that a movie passing the Bechdel Test is A+ feminism for a movie before so I agree with grudlian about nipping that in the bud.

I just want to say that the Bechdel Test is a good starting point. The reason why it was created was because that's literally the LOWEST you could possibly set the bar for women in movies and some still fail this test.
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 02:08 PM

 firsttimecallerlongtimelistenr, on 04 August 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

I thought "Hard Ticket" referred to it being a hard way to get to visit Hawaii. As in Taryn probably thought it was going to be an easy assignment to a wonderful part of the world but instead she ended up chasing murderous drug dealers and running from contaminated snakes on a former leper colony


That was my take on the matter, as well, and it seems to be confirmed by the lyrics to the theme: "It's a hard ticket to hawaii/it's not paradise all the time."

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 02:47 PM

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:00 PM

 grudlian., on 04 August 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

Maybe. But after them sounding somewhat serious about Ninja Terminator being one of their most feminist movies, I want to nip any potential in the bud.


I 100% thought they were just making a sarcastic joke. The movie is very obviously just soft core porn.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

If this wasn't a Jacob's Ladder scenario, could we say it was an Snakob's Ladder scenario?

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:09 PM

I'm sorry, but why the fuck did they cover this movie. This is a like a half-step away from being one of those porn spoofs on Cinemax. Theres too many movies that are 1000% more appropriate for them to be doing than absolute garbage like this.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:23 PM

 Ofcoursemyhorse, on 04 August 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but why the fuck did they cover this movie. This is a like a half-step away from being one of those porn spoofs on Cinemax. Theres too many movies that are 1000% more appropriate for them to be doing than absolute garbage like this.


But...snakes and shit...
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:51 PM

Yea its just painful to watch, I tried multiple times. But if no one on set gave a shit about what they were making, neither do I.

They havent even touched on any of the 80's/90's body switching movies and they're doing garbage like this..

SHAME!

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:04 PM

No one mentioned the random scene with the gladiator babe doing the ritual dance?

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:19 PM

Never mind it just popped up at the end.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:43 PM

 joel_rosenbaum, on 04 August 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

Do airplanes typically land on golf courses? Do they pull into parking lots like normal cars would?

I'm not familiar with the vagaries of small aircraft.

I think this should answer your question.


As for Sidaris' Emmy, he won it in 1969 for his helping in the coverage of the Olympics, which is shared with seven other people. I can also save everyone the trouble of thinking if there is ANY connection between the films in this 12 movie "series," as there is nothing between the movies that connects, outside of the same actors being used and similar locations. One movie would feature a group of actors as the heroes killing another group which were the villains, and the following movie would feature most of the same actors but usually flipped in the roles of protagonist and antagonist. The latter few are basically just softcore pornos as while the first couple in the series had topless scenes that were basically done like mentioned in the show as being needing to shower or change into work clothes, etc. In the final few movies there are basically a bunch of scenes like the sex scenes in The Room with various subplots and quick gunfights in between.

As for Ronn Moss (Rowdy), I have to assume that he found the same fountain of youth that Keanu Reeves found because that man has not aged a day since this film or when he was on The Bold and the Beautiful, outside of a bit more gray in his hair. That man is still goddamn gorgeous. Also, with having him in the film, why the hell did they not get Player to do a song for the soundtrack or at least use "Baby Come Back" during one of the Jacuzzi scenes?
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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:55 PM

Can people at the live tapings please stop making "it's a jacob ladder scenario" reference that joke is done. Paul needs to shut it down next time.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:21 PM

The audience member brought it up, but the movie poster still poses too many questions to let go.
Donna says they haven't heard much from Cody Abilene, Rowdy's cousin, since he left the agency to become an actor.
So at the time of filming Malibu Express, Cody was either a) a spy, still in the agency, playing himself (maybe this was how he caught the acting bug, and that is this film's excuse for him not appearing in Hard Ticket to Hawaii, conveniently replaced by his cousin), OR B) already a full-fledged actor, playing a fictitious character in a made-up story.
Either way, are we expected to believe that Cody Abilene played a character named Cody Abilene? How often does one get a chance to play a character not based on himself, but exactly himself?
The boat named "Malibu Express" is a holdover from that movie, so we can speculate the Cody gave or lent the boat to his cousin Rowdy (Cody's dad owned a yacht club and built the boat). Which means that the previous Malibu Express is a cinema verite non-fiction film in this universe.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:38 PM

When they had ABC White House Correspondent Martha Raddatz play "Not My Job" on NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me", the subject of the quiz was Andy Sidaris, who had recently passed away. The third question to Raddatz was as follows:

Mr. Sidaris was not unaware of his own limitations as a filmmaker. Which of these did he once say about himself?
A) I have the aesthetics of a newborn baby. Just show me the breasts, please.
B) I tried to watch a Woody Allen movie once but I walked out after 10 minutes because nothing blew up.
C) I couldn't spell "STORY" if you spotted me the 'S' and the 'T'