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Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:40 AM

View PostCameron H., on 14 August 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

Best Picture, definitely not. But Costume Design, Cinematography, Production Design, and maybe, Adapted Screen Play, I can see. I'm not sure about Best Musical since the only other Musical I've seen from that year was South Pacific, and I don't remember being that impressed with it.


I like South Pacific a lot. The music's fun and its anti-racism messages were quite progressive for its time.
ETA: Having said that, I could be biased, bc the stage version was so good.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 11:33 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:


You know what MFL had that Gigi didn't? A choreographer. I don't understand why they would cast Leslie Caron and give her no dance numbers. I don't think they hired her for her voice either, as they dubbed her singing in the movie.

I mean, are you kidding me?

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I've said this elsewhere, but Gigi has too much singing while people are sitting down or just casually strolling along. Give me some choreography! There's literally a scene where Chevalier sings at a table while preparing to pay the bill. WHY.

Yeah I watched An American in Paris after Gigi and thought the same. Why have Caron and not have her dance?
It needed more dancing. And maybe someone more charming to play Gaston? Could've helped make me feel less creeped by the whole movie and actually care in the end if Gaston and Gigi got together


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 01:45 PM

View Postkateacola, on 14 August 2017 - 11:33 AM, said:


Yeah I watched An American in Paris after Gigi and thought the same. Why have Caron and not have her dance?
It needed more dancing. And maybe someone more charming to play Gaston? Could've helped make me feel less creeped by the whole movie and actually care in the end if Gaston and Gigi got together


How was An American in Paris? That was my second choice.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 01:47 PM

I looked up "ortolan" after the scene where he aunt is teaching her the correct way to eat it. Those people are monsters.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:03 PM

View PostCameron H., on 14 August 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

I looked up "ortolan" after the scene where he aunt is teaching her the correct way to eat it. Those people are monsters.

The crunching sound effect as Gigi chewed on those little birds was horrific.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:54 PM

View PostCameron H., on 14 August 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:


How was An American in Paris? That was my second choice.

I liked it, it made me want to watch more Gene Kelly movies. (why I watched The Pirate after, and I probably will watch more of his movies soon)

The plot was a bit weak and Gene Kelly's character was slightly creeper-ish. His character was aggressively trying to get Caron's character to go out with him.
So that was a bit off putting, but he was charming so I got on board once Caron's character did.

That is why I think I could be a little more forgiving of Gigi if Gaston was a bit more charming and likeable. (And if Chevalier was out of the picture).

Really loved all the dancing/choreography in An American in Paris, especially the very last ballet number.

Having watched Gigi first, I had no idea Caron could dance/ was a ballet dancer.. So that made me confused why there wasnt much dancing in Gigi. Felt like a waste.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:02 PM

View Postkateacola, on 14 August 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:


I liked it, it made me want to watch more Gene Kelly movies. (why I watched The Pirate after, and I probably will watch more of his movies soon)

The plot was a bit weak and Gene Kelly's character was slightly creeper-ish. His character was aggressively trying to get Caron's character to go out with him.
So that was a bit off putting, but he was charming so I got on board once Caron's character did.

That is why I think I could be a little more forgiving of Gigi if Gaston was a bit more charming and likeable. (And if Chevalier was out of the picture).

Really loved all the dancing/choreography in An American in Paris, especially the very last ballet number.

Having watched Gigi first, I had no idea Caron could danc/ was a ballet dancer.. So that made me confused why there wasnt much dancing in Gigi. Felt like a waste.


I agree with you about Chevalier. He honestly didn't bring much to the table. If anything, his presence is a detriment to the film. Every time he's on screen, he muddies the water with his incessant "little girls" talk. If it was just about an aristocrat falling in love with a "peasant" woman, I don't think it would be anymore objectionable than, say, Beauty and the Beast or any other fairy tale about two people from different worlds coming together.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:28 PM

Re: Chevalier, I read on Wikipedia that "the character of Honoré, nonexistent in the original book and very minor in the Loos play, was now a major figure. Gigi's mother, originally a significant character, was reduced to a few lines of dialogue delivered off-screen."

That brings me to my next gripe, which is why bother with the mother character? What exactly does she bring to the table?

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:31 PM

To chime a bit more in about the Oscars here are two movies released the same year as Gigi that weren't nominated for best picture, Touch of Evil and Vertigo. Yes I agree that it deserves the costuming and things like that but it literally looks like they had access to one bit of a park in France where they shot from every angle imaginable then did the rest on sets. Gigi isn't even the best song in Gigi and that was the one that won. It's crazy. I would like to assume that people at the time were so obsessives with France and the beauty and awe of Parisian culture that they were duped into voting for it. It's competition for picture that year was The Defiant Ones, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Aunt Mame and Separate Tables.

However, I feel like I should say something positive about this movie. It did do something that I really like in musicals and that's the conversational duet. I actually really liked the song between Maurice Chevalier and Hermione Gingold. Like Cameron said earlier I kinda wish they went a bit more into their story. It seems like they were a good couple once, why else would Gaston years later still go see Hermione Gingold for social visits?
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:36 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

That brings me to my next gripe, which is why bother with the mother character? What exactly does she bring to the table?

Seeing as their is no father character, and given Hermione Gingold's previous relation with Maurice Chevalier are we suppose to believe that this is a family of spinsters or something? That's why it's more shocking or moving when Gigi does marry?
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:37 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 14 August 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

To chime a bit more in about the Oscars here are two movies released the same year as Gigi that weren't nominated for best picture, Touch of Evil and Vertigo. Yes I agree that it deserves the costuming and things like that but it literally looks like they had access to one bit of a park in France where they shot from every angle imaginable then did the rest on sets. Gigi isn't even the best song in Gigi and that was the one that won. It's crazy. I would like to assume that people at the time were so obsessives with France and the beauty and awe of Parisian culture that they were duped into voting for it. It's competition for picture that year was The Defiant Ones, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Aunt Mame and Separate Tables.

However, I feel like I should say something positive about this movie. It did do something that I really like in musicals and that's the conversational duet. I actually really liked the song between Maurice Chevalier and Hermione Gingold. Like Cameron said earlier I kinda wish they went a bit more into their story. It seems like they were a good couple once, why else would Gaston years later still go see Hermione Gingold for social visits?


No. Fuck that guy.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:39 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Re: Chevalier, I read on Wikipedia that "the character of Honoré, nonexistent in the original book and very minor in the Loos play, was now a major figure. Gigi's mother, originally a significant character, was reduced to a few lines of dialogue delivered off-screen."

That brings me to my next gripe, which is why bother with the mother character? What exactly does she bring to the table?


Well, that goes into something that bothered me. I think it was to show Gigi's "rough life." Basically, she has an absentee mother and a father who...died(?) They seemed to be trying to paint this dire picture for her and her "way out" was to become a courtesan. Keep in mind, even if Gaston hadn't been in the picture, that was ultimately her Aunt's plan for her.

My problem, though, is they never really nailed down how impoverished they were meant to be. I thought they had a lovely apartment, and until made mention of how poor they were supposed to be, I thought they were meant to be well to do. She also had a wonderfully supportive grandmother.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:43 PM

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My problem, though, is they never really nailed down how impoverished they were meant to be. I thought they had a lovely apartment, and until made mention of how poor they were supposed to be, I thought they were meant to be well to do. She also had a wonderfully supportive grandmother.


I thought they had a lovely apartment, but then Gaston describes the apartment as moldy, with decaying walls and worm ridden furniture (what?), surrounded by filth. That definitely didn't come through in the movie.

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Seeing as their is no father character, and given Hermione Gingold's previous relation with Maurice Chevalier are we suppose to believe that this is a family of spinsters or something? That's why it's more shocking or moving when Gigi does marry?


This reminds me of something else. In the beginning of the movie, Chevalier says "Like everywhere else, most people in Paris get married. But not all. There are some who will not marry and some who do not marry. But here in Paris, those who will not are usually men and those who do not are usually women." What is he trying to say?

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:47 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

This reminds me of something else. In the beginning of the movie, Chevalier says "Like everywhere else, most people in Paris get married. But not all. There are some who will not marry and some who do not marry. But here in Paris, those who will not are usually men and those who do not are usually women." What is he trying to say?

Continuing with it's outdated social values, men will not marry women because they'd rather live the swinging bachelor life sleeping with hot young Gigi's whenever it pleases them, and as a result women do not marry because the men are busy playing around to want to settle down with them.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:47 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:


This reminds me of something else. In the beginning of the movie, Chevalier says "Like everywhere else, most people in Paris get married. But not all. There are some who will not marry and some who do not marry. But here in Paris, those who will not are usually men and those who do not are usually women." What is he trying to say?


Oh, it's as bad as it sounds. Basically, women "do not marry," because even if they want to get married, they might not find a man who's willing. Men "will not marry," because they don't have to. They can have all the power. In other words, why get married when I can just have a parade of courtesans?
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:50 PM

I was afraid of that.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:59 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 14 August 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

I was afraid of that.


I'm sorry I couldn't allay your fears. It was just as bad as that "you might not marry first, but you might marry at last" nonsense.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

Out of curiosity did anyone like the character of Gigi? Like she's not loathsome like the male characters for sure, and I didn't hate her at all. She that I found her kinda bland and we didn't really spend that much time with her to really like her beyond a "oh, no don't go with that guy. This is wrong" kind of attachment.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 04:05 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 14 August 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

Out of curiosity did anyone like the character of Gigi? Like she's not loathsome like the male characters for sure, and I didn't hate her at all. She that I found her kinda bland and we didn't really spend that much time with her to really like her beyond a "oh, no don't go with that guy. This is wrong" kind of attachment.


I liked her and her grandmother, but that's about it.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 06:36 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 14 August 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

Out of curiosity did anyone like the character of Gigi? Like she's not loathsome like the male characters for sure, and I didn't hate her at all. She that I found her kinda bland and we didn't really spend that much time with her to really like her beyond a "oh, no don't go with that guy. This is wrong" kind of attachment.


I didn't hate the character, but I can't say I really liked her either. I felt sorry for her more than anything.