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Posted 15 August 2017 - 04:50 PM

I got the part about the suicide attempts but I found it shocking how dismissive and cruel everyone was about her attempts: diminishing the actions of a clearly mentally ill person isn't cool. A cry for help like that is more than just being dramatic!
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 04:58 PM

View PostCakeBug Tranch, on 15 August 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

I got the part about the suicide attempts but I found it shocking how dismissive and cruel everyone was about her attempts: diminishing the actions of a clearly mentally ill person isn't cool. A cry for help like that is more than just being dramatic!


The difference is she never had any suicidal thoughts, nor any intention of going through with it. She didn't love Gaston, nor did she need him.

Honestly, it wasn't a cry for help, it was a cry for attention. By our standards, she's still sick - but more in a Kim Kardashian way.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 05:13 PM

Do we know why Guga liked Gigi so much?

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 05:19 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 15 August 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Do we know why Guga liked Gigi so much?


I have no idea! I wish I could ask her. All I can say is, it was obviously popular at the time. While it seems super shitty to us now, people in 1958 ate this shit up.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 06:44 PM

View PostCameron H., on 15 August 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

I have no idea! I wish I could ask her. All I can say is, it was obviously popular at the time. While it seems super shitty to us now, people in 1958 ate this shit up.


I thought this comparison was interesting.

Gigi
Release date: May 15, 1958
Budget $3,3 mil
Box office $13,2 mil

South Pacific
Release date: March 19, 1958
Budget $5.61 mil
Box office $36,8 mil

South Pacific was the top grossing film in 1958 and Gigi was at a respectable #5.

Another random factoid: Leslie Caron gave birth to her son on 30 March 1957 and Gigi started filming in September 1957!

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:19 AM

I asked my father about his mother's fondness of Gigi, but no luck. "She must have liked it, I guess." The Mystery of Guga continues...
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Posted 18 August 2017 - 02:29 PM

This is a little off topic but in honor of Cameron's guga, does anybody her know what any of their relatives favourite movies are? Addition, if so have you seen it and what did you think of it?
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 01:28 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 18 August 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

This is a little off topic but in honor of Cameron's guga, does anybody her know what any of their relatives favourite movies are? Addition, if so have you seen it and what did you think of it?


I want to say my mother's favorite movie is Gone With the Wind, at least, it was at some point. I'm not sure what my father's favorite movie is. Neither of them ever really watched movies with me growing up. The only movie I have any memory of watching with my father is Last Crusade - which I know he loved.
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:31 PM

If y'all get bored over the weekend, you can watch my "alternate universe where I participate in Musical Mondays" pick: the movie-length pilot to Rags to Riches. It's sort of a 60s jukebox musical about a bunch of orphan girls getting adopted by a rich guy, starring post-Little Shop of Horrors pre-Martin Tisha Campbell, Bill Maher, and Joseph Bologna (who sadly just died this week.)

My sisters recorded this during its initial broadcast in 1987 and played it on repeat until the VHS tape wore out, so it's been seared into my brain. This experience is perfectly replicated by watching the ghastly VHS rip on YouTube. If you want more of the show in pristine DVD quality, you can find the complete boxed set on Amazon (using HDTGM's affiliate code to give the gang a cut.)

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:33 PM

View PostDan Engler, on 19 August 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

If y'all get bored over the weekend, you can watch my "alternate universe where I participate in Musical Mondays" pick: the movie-length pilot to Rags to Riches. It's sort of a 60s jukebox musical about a bunch of orphan girls getting adopted by a rich guy, starring post-Little Shop of Horrors pre-Martin Tisha Campbell, Bill Maher, and Joseph Bologna (who sadly just died this week.)

My sisters recorded this during its initial broadcast in 1987 and played it on repeat until the VHS tape wore out, so it's been seared into my brain. This experience is perfectly replicated by watching the ghastly VHS rip on YouTube. If you want more of the show in pristine DVD quality, you can find the complete boxed set on Amazon (using HDTGM's affiliate code to give the gang a cut.)

Enjoy/I'm sorry.


I definitely will! Thanks, Dan!
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:04 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 18 August 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

This is a little off topic but in honor of Cameron's guga, does anybody her know what any of their relatives favourite movies are? Addition, if so have you seen it and what did you think of it?


Sorry, it took me a couple of days to gather the data: The King and I, Silver Linings Playbook, and The Bridges of Madison County.

I like The King and I a lot, as I usually do with any Rodgers & Hammerstein musical. I'm lukewarm about the other two movies.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:41 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 19 August 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:


Sorry, it took me a couple of days to gather the data: The King and I, Silver Linings Playbook, and The Bridges of Madison County.

I like The King and I a lot, as I usually do with any Rodgers & Hammerstein musical. I'm lukewarm about the other two movies.


...and I forgot to answer the rest of the question.

First of all, confirmed, my mother's favorite movie is Gone With the Wind. I'm not sure if I like it. I've only seen it beginning to end once, and I remember thinking it was okay, but it's been awhile so I'm not sure.

I asked my father what his favorite movie was and he couldn't give me one. Eventually, I cajoled a "maybe" with National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation out of him - although not with too much conviction. As for that one, I like it more for the memories of hearing my dad crack up to it and as a Christmas tradition than an actual movie.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:19 AM

Sorry I got busy watching all of The Defenders today. Still one more to go but need a bit of a breather.

My Mom's favourite movie will vary but you will always get one of two answers. It's going to be Pollyanna or Shenandoah. I've seen Pollyanna a few times as a kid and I want to say I liked it however it always got mixed up with Ann of Green Gables in my mind. Never seen Shenandoah all I know about it is that it's a Jimmy Stewart western. It's also hard to find.

My father I can't ask anymore and much like Cameron's father when I did I never got a straight answer. I know he had mentioned he'd seen Jeremiah Johnson more than any other movie. However, I know that if ever a Monty Python movie was on he'd seek it out and stop on it. He made me watch Holy Grail and Life of Brian when I was way too young to appreciate them. He also made me watch George Carlin specials way too young as well.

My sister's favourite movie is Dirty Dancing and I have seen it and as much as I'd like to crap on it and its weird love story I kinda liked it as a kid.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:29 AM

My mom's favorite movie would probably be Laura, a downright classic film noir that I love, starring the tragically luminescent Gene Tierney, the just-the-right-balance-of-masculine-and-naive Dana Andrews, and the epitome of devious intellectual (read: gay) Clifton Webb. AND VINCENT PRINCE in a supporting role. This is a movie that takes the Femme Fatale trope and inverts it and least one-and-a-half times. Did I mention I love this movie?

I don't think my father would ever admit it, but one of his favorite movies is Top Gun. We had that on VHS when I was a kid and he would always jump at the chance to watch it if I wanted to, with my mother rolling her eyes in the background. I'm sure an ever-so-slight (read: HUGE) part of my dad's and my own attraction to this movie is that my dad is a very handsome, 5'6", Navy pilot with dark hair and, when he was flying, also had an affinity for aviator sunglasses. In his Navy days, he even had a similar build to Tom Cruise. So yeah, Top Gun is imprinted in my brain.

Funny that Cam Bert mentioned Monty Python and the Holy Grail, because both of my parents love that movie as well AND showed it to me when I was very young. I think part of it is that my dad is very Catholic while my mom... manages to not rage at the Catholic church's stance on birth control if she only has to go to mass for holidays and weddings, so I think they both wanted to show me that there are different ways of looking at religion. And shit, I still love that movie as well. Blessed are the cheesemakers.

God damn, my parents introduced me to the above films, as well as The Twilight Zone and Star Trek. My parents are... really cool?
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 10:36 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 20 August 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

My parents are... really cool?


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:46 PM

View PostCam Bert, on 18 August 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

This is a little off topic but in honor of Cameron's guga, does anybody her know what any of their relatives favourite movies are? Addition, if so have you seen it and what did you think of it?

I think my mom's favorite movie is In Her Shoes which I find extremely charming. Toni Collette is a master class in acting and it's actually maybe the one movie I can say I enjoy Cameron Diaz. But she prefers overall movies that have a lot of thinking to do afterwards. Like in recent years she absolutely LOVED Arrival and Another Earth. I 100% think she would pick an indie drama that will make you cry over a silly comedy any day. So why In Her Shoes is the winner is something I'll never be able to answer lol.

Not to make this a sad sack comment but my dad died 10 years ago so if my memory is correct his favorite movie was Caddyshack, but I know he loved Bruce Almighty cause when we saw it he laughed like crazy and quoted it a ton. He was definitely a silly comedy kinda guy lol.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:42 PM

My parents aren't big movie people, they're more a fan of tv. My dad has honestly asked why I rewatch movies before instead of new ones. My dad likes dumb actions, my mom is a fan of the Oscar contenders and they both enjoy dry comedies. As kids we had a VHS copy of Monty Python in our car for our road trips because my parents said if we had to watch a movie repeatedly that they needed to be able to enjoy it with out watching. So since my dad picked that one, I'd say that's his favorite.
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 05:23 AM

Apologies it took this long but FINALLY watched Gigi. I am very glad Cameron picked this as I'd heard about it and that cover art is definitely eye-catching.

My thoughts:
1) I thought it was Honore goading Gaston that made him break up with the suicide lady so publicly. Gaston was just going to walk off but was prodded into making a spectacle of it.

2) I do agree that the suicide was handled badly by "society". Even if a person is known for multiple attempts they ARE attempts! In the movie Harold and Maude all Harold's "attempts" aren't real. He rigs the noose like it would be on stage, his immolation is of a dummy, etc. In Gigi the paramour's attempts are real attempts. She really does try but believes she hasn't taken enough, cuts "across the stream" instead of "down the river", etc. Yet one of these days the attempt will go wrong and she WILL die. I've been depressed enough to think about suicide but never attempted. Even the thought of attempting it scares the hell out of me.

3) I had trouble with all the casting (except Hermione Gingold - I've only seen a few movies of hers but this is the first sympathetic character I've seen her play). I couldn't believe Louis Jourdan whether he was angry or loving. Maybe, as others have noted, the ADR was so off that I had trouble suspending disbelief. Oddly though I only had ADR issues with Gaston and Honore. I never noticed it with the ladies. I was a little taken with his turn at the end but was surprised he jumped all the way to marriage. As others have said better, Maurice Chevalier was unnecessary. I would have liked him as a "chorus", showing up at the beginning and end, but not as a player throughout the movie. There's another movie I recently watched where one of the main actors shows up throughout but in a variety of roles. It's fun to watch the actor's virtuosity in taking on each character but I was aware I was watching the actor play a character instead of watching the character in the movie.

4) I liked Leslie Caron through most of the movie. I was surprised to read in this thread that she was 27 at the time of filming. She seemed much younger, especially near the end (more on this in a moment). Since the thread mentioned she was a dancer I thought they had picked someone very close to the character's age since that person would already have been used to performing, rehearsals, etc. Having seen the film now I'm not sure anyone else could have played her. IMDB and Wikipedia note she'd been living in England for so long that she'd lost her French accent so her songs were dubbed. I find it hard to believe she couldn't have put on a French accent for the part and the songs. The DVD has a sample of her singing so if anyone has that please let me know how she sounds. The part I didn't like her in was near the end where she started actually acting as a lady. Maybe it was the contrast between the teenager and the lady but she seemed even more "childish", almost like she was pulling a face to show she was back to Gigi.

5) I am very surprised that Lerner and Loewe didn't make a stage show out of this first in order to work out the kinks and storyline issues. According to IMDB Lerner had one more film to make for MGM (in what capacity it isn't clear - I assume screenwriter since Lerner & Loewe weren't originally going to write the music & lyrics) so he picked Colette's novel. IMDB also notes the entire film preproduction process took only four-and-a-half months. If they'd had more time maybe things would have worked better overall.

They had also just opened My Fair Lady so all the comparisons in this thread are very apt. I also think they had a "We're successful so anything we do will be good" mindset where a little more constructive criticism would have served them well.) They adapted one song from a show 10 years prior that Lerner had written the script for. The song "Say a Prayer for Me Tonight" was supposed to have been in My Fair Lady.
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 05:45 AM

ETA to clarify about Leslie Caron:
I liked her very much as a lady. I could see the attractiveness and she was amazing. She was also good as Gigi up to the point where she and the two aunts went to the dress shop. Once she started dressing in those elaborate dresses (and her whole mannerism changes) I had trouble believing her when she went back to being Gigi the teenager. Especially when Gaston was wooing and dumping her.
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