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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:17 AM

View PostSaraK, on 01 September 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:



I don't want to rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure there was a long list of other things on the left side of the whiteboard that I assumed factored into the final equation. I don't think she was starting with X+Y+Z, but I also wouldn't put it past this movie.


I looked at it again, and it does say x = (y + 2), but it seems to only apply to the nonsense equations listed on the side and not the one she's asking. Plus, that would mean a touchdowns equals (4 + 2). So her equation wouldn't make sense since an extra point (y) doesn't equal 4.

Sorry, guys, it looks like the math is all fucked up on this one...
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:23 AM

I'd like to bring up a point about the timeline and hierarchy of this school.

The movie starts with our Bratz heroines starting freshman year at high school, meaning they're around 13 or 14 years old. Ignoring the fact that none of the actresses in this movie look to be that young, we are set up to follow this four through their freshman year. The question I have, is if Meredith is the same age as the Bratz, then how is she in charge of the seating chart? Even if she's a year older (as a sophomore, which makes her a senior after the flash forward in time), why are the seniors and juniors at this school allowing her to call the shots? It can't simply be to do with the fact that her father is the principal. If it weren't for the fact that the Bratz mention the two year passage of time it would be completely understandable to guess that the 'two years later' chiron was added in post (and maybe their references to it were added there too). But if the Second Super Sweet Sixteen Party dominates the second half, this means that two years prior to that, Meredith was in charge of the school as a fourteen year old. Surely a Meredith-only movie, documenting her rise to power, is necessary, along the lines of the Sharpay-only movie that followed the 'High School Musical' franchise?

I guess my main question is, why are the school's seniors so scared of this 14 year old? Seriously, Meredith, WHAT IS ON THAT FLASH DRIVE?
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:38 AM

View PostCakeBug Tranch, on 01 September 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

I'd like to bring up a point about the timeline and hierarchy of this school.

The movie starts with our Bratz heroines starting freshman year at high school, meaning they're around 13 or 14 years old. Ignoring the fact that none of the actresses in this movie look to be that young, we are set up to follow this four through their freshman year. The question I have, is if Meredith is the same age as the Bratz, then how is she in charge of the seating chart? Even if she's a year older (as a sophomore, which makes her a senior after the flash forward in time), why are the seniors and juniors at this school allowing her to call the shots? It can't simply be to do with the fact that her father is the principal. If it weren't for the fact that the Bratz mention the two year passage of time it would be completely understandable to guess that the 'two years later' chiron was added in post (and maybe their references to it were added there too). But if the Second Super Sweet Sixteen Party dominates the second half, this means that two years prior to that, Meredith was in charge of the school as a fourteen year old. Surely a Meredith-only movie, documenting her rise to power, is necessary, along the lines of the Sharpay-only movie that followed the 'High School Musical' franchise?

I guess my main question is, why are the school's seniors so scared of this 14 year old? Seriously, Meredith, WHAT IS ON THAT FLASH DRIVE?

I believe that Meredith is a year older than the Bratz because when her father mentions "there's always next year" in terms of the talent show she responds "this is my last year," and the Bratz were all parking in the "juniors" section (which seems to have the best parking spots...)

She also mentions A LOT that she is the student body president which is how I'm assuming she got her power, but that wouldn't make a lot of sense because there would be a president for each grade with the senior president being the one to run student council. They make it seem like there is only one person for each role and somehow Meredith beat out everyone else all four years. I wonder if it's because not only was her father the principle but everyone actually seemed relatively happy in their groups. Like no one challenged anything about this system until the Bratz came along.

How many friendships did Meredith ruin without anyone questioning her???
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:58 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 01 September 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:


Don't leave us hanging!

The wiki left me hanging. It was all about which boyfriends she had and her various outfits. I didn't see mention of her father.

I bet someone murdered him and there is a coverup.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 07:59 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 01 September 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

The gang talked about how they wished the actress playing Yasmin was a Latina. According to the internet, the actress, Nathalia Ramos, was born in Spain to a Spanish father and an Australian mother, who has a "Sephardic Jewish background." Maybe that explains Yasmin's "bubbie," which is a term for a Jewish grandmother. And maybe it also explains why they butchered the song La Cucaracha. The third line is "porque no tiene, porque le falta" - but the duo repeats the last phrase and sings "porque le falta, porque le falta." I'm going to blame this on the mariachi band living at their house. They should've corrected them! In addition, I'm pretty sure bubbie sings nonsense words for the last line "las dos patitas de atras."


I learned the last line "una pata para andar."

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:01 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 01 September 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

How many friendships did Meredith ruin without anyone questioning her???


I will say, as a small counterpoint, that Meredith's seating chart seemed to help the first handful of Freshman that came to her check in table. They all seemed pretty lost and in need of an identity/friends (especially the crying girl). I don't know where these students are coming from that they don't already have friends but it seems like the Bratz are the only girls that came into high school with existing friendships.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:06 AM

View Postjoshg, on 01 September 2017 - 07:59 AM, said:

I learned the last line "una pata para andar."


Oh yes, there are lots of versions, but the one the Bratz butchered was the "atras" version.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:07 AM

View PostSaraK, on 01 September 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:



I will say, as a small counterpoint, that Meredith's seating chart seemed to help the first handful of Freshman that came to her check in table. They all seemed pretty lost and in need of an identity/friends (especially the crying girl). I don't know where these students are coming from that they don't already have friends but it seems like the Bratz are the only girls that came into high school with existing friendships.


This is actually a really good point. Other than the Bratz, she's actually providing a really good service. And while she does separate people into cliques - as seen with the guest list at her party, and the parameters she sets (i.e. must belong to a social group) - she doesn't actually discourage groups from intermingling. Otherwise, her party would have just been the popular kids.
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:10 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 01 September 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

I believe that Meredith is a year older than the Bratz because when her father mentions "there's always next year" in terms of the talent show she responds "this is my last year," and the Bratz were all parking in the "juniors" section (which seems to have the best parking spots...)

Until I found out I missed the two years later announcement, I assumed Meredith was a senior the whole time and the clique scheme was her idea she'd built up over for years.

Now it doesn't make sense since the principal seemed to ask Meredith how his own school ran like a prison. She was able to accomplish all that as a sophomore?

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:19 AM

Meredith's dog is named "Paris," and hearing that made me think about Paris Hilton for the first time in years. It's funny because, during her heyday, I always wondered how much longer Paris Hilton would be famous, and now she's not even on our radars -- just like MySpace and flip phones and using desktop computers for video chatting.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:21 AM

View PostSaraK, on 01 September 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:

I will say, as a small counterpoint, that Meredith's seating chart seemed to help the first handful of Freshman that came to her check in table. They all seemed pretty lost and in need of an identity/friends (especially the crying girl). I don't know where these students are coming from that they don't already have friends but it seems like the Bratz are the only girls that came into high school with existing friendships.

I was actually thinking this same thing while watching! She honestly gave people groups to belong to and I didn't see anyone being discouraged about the areas they were being placed!
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:29 AM

View Postfirsttimecallerlongtimelistenr, on 01 September 2017 - 04:39 AM, said:

i have no correction or omission for this pile of crap. this is the fastest i've ever turned against a movie. 3 minutes in and i was furious with it. and it only got worse from there. i really thought it was going to get panned by everyone so i was shocked paul said he liked it. then i realized he missed half of it. that's probably the only way to get anything from this movie ... just skim over it in a sleepy haze at 1 in the morning as you watch it with your mam.

9% on RT!! that's way too high. this is a stinker. i enjoyed GPK more. I said it in the mini but this, for me, is the worst movie covered by HDTGM. i hated it. i told my younger sister i watched it and she gave me a look of pure disappointment. when i told her it was for the podcast she asked "why do you put yourself through this?" .. this podcast is the only reason anyone should ever watch this movie. that or to torture your worst enemy. i bet this movie is why the doves cried


I agree, this movie was cancer. But I think it's important to try to break down why it is so awful. It is clearly going for a message of empowerment, loyalty, and you-go-girlism. But that's a tough case to make when you insult your audience within the first five minutes of the movie. Encouraging people to break free from stereotypes is disingenuous when YOU are the one who is making those stereotypes to begin with. Why spend 90 minutes telling people that they don't need to fit into the jock/nerd paradigm after you've already laid out the cheapest ethnic stereotypes imaginable? Jade (and I mean, really - JADE?) has an Asian tiger-mom who pushes her in science AND THE VIOLIN. Yasmin's heritage seems to be Latina/Jewish (which, for the record, has nothing to do with Sephardic), so of course mariachi, La Cucaracha (the most cliche Mexican song ever), and bagels. Because of course Jews eat bagels every morning and call their mothers Bubbie, even though "Bubbie" means grandmother.

So any positive message comes across as fake, at best. Not to mention the fact that the girls are all pretty, skinny, and rich. (It reminds me of Modern Family, a sitcom which also purportedly supports non-traditional families and liberal attitudes, yet God forbid the two teenage boys, Luke and Manny, every have a crush on a girl who isn't a model straight out of Seventeen Magazine). It's not even as if Meredith's ostentatiousness was presented as some shallow cautionary tale about the superficial trappings of materialism. ALL the girls are rich...Yasmin is apparently the "poor" one because she is the one teenager without the walk-in closet.
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:37 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 01 September 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

I was actually thinking this same thing while watching! She honestly gave people groups to belong to and I didn't see anyone being discouraged about the areas they were being placed!


I would actually argue she hates the Bratz less for their failure to conform (because she seems pretty confident that the system will just work regardless) and more just because Chloe "stole" her boyfriend. The rest of the Bratz are just guilty by association.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:50 AM

Like June, I was curious about the "source material" of the Bratz and Googled some of the dolls.

I can't with these Bratz "Big Babies" dolls:

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Also, this Dylan doll - notice how you have to take off his feet at the ankles to switch shoes. And so much jewelry!

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:52 AM

View PostSaraK, on 01 September 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:


I would actually argue she hates the Bratz less for their failure to conform (because she seems pretty confident that the system will just work regardless) and more just because Chloe "stole" her boyfriend. The rest of the Bratz are just guilty by association.


This movie is definitely about conformity, though. They go to "Carry Nation" High School. Carry/Carrie Nation is this person:

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She was a temperance activist, which means she railed against alcohol, specifically, but also she just generally went around telling people how to live their lives. There's even a statue of her at the school. And the campus of Carry Nation High School is covered with signage that says "Obey" and "Listen" and "Submit," and it's run by a girl who puts everyone into their places on the first day. And yeah, she hates Da Bratz because of Cloe, but also because they are constantly defying the order she tries to maintain over the school, just by being themselves. Meredith carries around evidence of everyone's weirdness on her flash drive (like Cloe singing "La Cucaracha") threatening to reveal it to the rest of the school, and that seems to terrify Da Bratz into submission for most of the movie, until they learn to embrace it at the end of the movie.

But the movie has the internal contradiction of having an "anti-conformity" message while also relying very heavily on stereotypes to flesh out characters whose primary concern is fitting in.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:55 AM

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This movie is definitely about conformity, though. They go to "Carry Nation" High School. Carry/Carrie Nation is this person:

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Holy shit, this explains so much about the school signs with the lady in glasses and the talent show trophy.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:57 AM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 01 September 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:


This movie is definitely about conformity, though. They go to "Carry Nation" High School. Carry/Carrie Nation is this person:

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She was a temperance activist, which means she railed against alcohol, specifically, but also she just generally went around telling people how to live their lives. There's even a statue of her at the school. And the campus of Carry Nation High School is covered with signage that says "Obey" and "Listen" and "Submit," and it's run by a girl who puts everyone into their places on the first day. And yeah, she hates Da Bratz because of Cloe, but also because they are constantly defying the order she tries to maintain over the school, just by being themselves. Meredith carries around evidence of everyone's weirdness on her flash drive (like Cloe singing "La Cucaracha") threatening to reveal it to the rest of the school, and that seems to terrify Da Bratz into submission for most of the movie, until they learn to embrace it at the end of the movie.

But the movie has the internal contradiction of having an "anti-conformity" message while also relying very heavily on stereotypes to flesh out characters whose primary concern is fitting in.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:57 AM

View Postjoshg, on 01 September 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

ALL the girls are rich...Yasmin is apparently the "poor" one because she is the one teenager without the walk-in closet.

Chloe is actually the one presented as the "poor" one because her mother has to work for the rich girl in school as a maid / cook in order to make ends meet. Then they all give Chloe the scholarship at the end because "she wouldn't go to college without one." Even though I agree with June that Chloe had the biggest chance of getting a scholarship anyway through her soccer abilities. (Jade might have gotten an academic one as well if we're being honest.)
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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:59 AM

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Holy shit, this explains so much about the school signs with the lady in glasses and the talent show trophy.


And since you brought up the talent show ... are we just ignoring the fact that Magic Mike killed a girl?

Edit after re-listening to the episode: They did briefly mention that, after all.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:59 AM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 01 September 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

And the campus of Carry Nation High School is covered with signage that says "Obey" and "Listen" and "Submit," and it's run by a girl who puts everyone into their places on the first day.

View Posttomspanks, on 01 September 2017 - 08:55 AM, said:

Holy shit, this explains so much about the school signs with the lady in glasses and the talent show trophy.

Omg they never talked about the signs all around school! I thought that was going to come up in the movie as this big deal like they were actually being treated like prisoners and this was like some "1984" or "They Live" conversation but it literally was never brought up. How disappointing.
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