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#21 kateacola

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:54 AM

Like tom said, I wasn't sure what to expect. Since I have never heard of the movie before now.
I also enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.

Looking at the IMDB page it says some other actors were considered for Ed Earl and Miss Mona:

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Other people that were up for Burt Reynolds and Dolly Parton's roles in the film included Willie Nelson for the role of Ed Earl Dodd and Barbara Mandrell and Crystal Gayle for the role Miss Mona Stangley.



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Kris Kristofferson and Gene Hackman were both considered to play Ed Earl.


I don't think I would've enjoyed nearly as much if Willie Nelson or Gene Hackman were Ed Earl.
And especially if someone else was Miss Mona.. I probably wouldn't have enjoyed very much if there was no Dolly.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:36 AM

View PostCameron H., on 11 September 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

Maybe it's not a "hot take" exactly. I'm just saying, regulate it and make it safe, that's all. I'm sick of people sticking their "morality" in other people's business. ;) If you don't like it, don't go.

I thought the movie was pretty good. Of the two movies about prostitution we've done this round, this is definitely the superior movie. I was amazed that I already owned two of the songs ("Hard Candy Christmas" and "I Will Always Love You") so that was cool. I also thought Burt was really good. I think I've only see him *star* in a couple of movies - this and Smokey and the Bandit - and I have to say, I get it. Had Harrison Ford turned down Han Solo, I think I would have liked to see Reynolds in that part. He's got the right swagger - although that high pitched, tittering laugh he sometimes does would have to go.


Agreed. People are quick to vilify sex workers, but the sex trade exists because there's a demand for it. It was nice to see that the movie didn't slut-shame the girls.

Btw, what exactly is a hard candy Christmas?

View Postkateacola, on 11 September 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Think that is my favorite as well.
But my favorite lyric in all the songs is probably "stop that copulation, loveless copulation" in "Texas has a Whorehouse in it" haha


I keep singing "Texas has a whorehouse in it."

My favorite song is probably A Little Bitty Pissant Country Place and my favorite dance number was the locker room dancing. What is that type of dancing called? I was afraid the mens' kneecaps would fall off from rotating so much like friggin' knee windmills.

View Postkateacola, on 11 September 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

I don't think I would've enjoyed nearly as much if Willie Nelson or Gene Hackman were Ed Earl.
And especially if someone else was Miss Mona.. I probably wouldn't have enjoyed very much if there was no Dolly.


I can't imagine anyone else in those teeny tiny snap-away Japanese slingshots. Did anyone else wonder if they were thongs? Just me then?

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:12 AM

Like I said, I watched this a couple of weeks (maybe a month or so back) for The Canon and loved it then (although I wasn't surprised or disappointed that 9 to 5 "won" in that match up. It is the superior film).

Revisiting it for this, without a critical eye, just for enjoyment, and to talk about it with ya'll, it was just a delight. It's a weird mixture of 3 different types of movies, the old fashioned musical (which was on it's way out), the "country" movie (exemplified by movies like Smokey & The Bandit, Every Which Way But Loose, Any Which Way You Can, Cannonball Run, etc), and the sex comedy. It SHOULDN'T work, and yet, it does.

I honestly had forgotten that Hard Candy Christmas comes from this movie, which does take place at the holidays (the rare Thanksgiving movie!). Last year I was part of this mess of a community theater show. It was like a Christmas revue/worst holiday Special ever called A Christmas Spectacular (It was also of questionable legality with some of what they were doing). This older gentlemen and I go out for coffee at least once a week and we refer to it as "A Christmas Disaster".

So anyways, Hard Candy Christmas was performed in that show as almost an upbeat like thing, and yet this movie shows the meaning is much more somber then you would think a "Christmas" song should be.

I'm really curious what Kris Kristofferson would have brought to the role. He would have had more songs that's for sure.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:18 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:


I can't imagine anyone else in those teeny tiny snap-away Japanese slingshots. Did anyone else wonder if they were thongs? Just me then?

I'm now imagining Willie Nelson in those...
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Glad it was Burt instead.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:44 AM

I'm guessing a 'Hard Candy Christmas" would be something kind of sweet, but hard to swallow. Like, it's Christmas, and we're happy about that, but things aren't all that great either.

As for the potential of a Kris Kristofferson/ Dolly pairing, I just saw it in Joyful Noise and it was...not good. Maybe it's just because Kris is old now, but his heavy-breathing, talk singing was creepy and off-putting. I shall share it with you now...



ETA: For those who read my Letterboxd review, the dude in this scene is supposed to be her grandson and had just looked Dolly square in the eyes with tenderness and called her his "gorgeous grandma." It was really upsetting...

ETA 2: Kris is dead in this scene.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:16 PM

View PostCameron H., on 11 September 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

I'm guessing a 'Hard Candy Christmas" would be something kind of sweet, but hard to swallow. Like, it's Christmas, and we're happy about that, but things aren't all that great either.

I wasn't sure what hard candy Christmas meant, but also read this when I was looking thru the trivia IMDB page that:

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"A Hard-Candy Christmas". This refers to being disappointed or down. Filled candies were not as available in the 30s through the 50s as they are today and were expensive. Children usually got chocolate covered filled candy at Christmas-time as a treat. If their families were experiencing financial troubles all they would get were the relatively cheap hard candies which left them disappointed.

So you're pretty on point!

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:31 PM

View PostEvRobert, on 11 September 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Like I said, I watched this a couple of weeks (maybe a month or so back) for The Canon and loved it then (although I wasn't surprised or disappointed that 9 to 5 "won" in that match up. It is the superior film).


Is it, really?

Thank you for posting that definition of hard candy Christmas, Kate. I was confused that the song was referring to hard times while referring to hard candies, which include candy canes that are everywhere during Christmas. Yeah, it's not chocolate, but it's still candy.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:49 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:


Is it, really?

Thank you for posting that definition of hard candy Christmas, Kate. I was confused that the song was referring to hard times while referring to hard candies, which include candy canes that are everywhere during Christmas. Yeah, it's not chocolate, but it's still candy.

Yeah, I wasn't sure what she meant either. It makes more sense now.. that they're sad & disappointed, but still optimistic..

But idk it's still kind of strange to me that closing the Chicken Ranch is like a hard candy Christmas?
They just lost their jobs and have to get out of town! You'd think they'd be more devastated.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:09 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:



Is it, really?

Thank you for posting that definition of hard candy Christmas, Kate. I was confused that the song was referring to hard times while referring to hard candies, which include candy canes that are everywhere during Christmas. Yeah, it's not chocolate, but it's still candy.


Yeah, but like you said, they're everywhere - so kind of disappointing. There's nothing really special about them. They're like the bare minimum of candy - like candy corn on Halloween.

@kate - I'm guessing they went more optimistic so the ending wouldn't be a complete bummer.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:10 PM

View PostCameron H., on 11 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

Yeah, but like you said, they're everywhere - so kind of disappointing. There's nothing really special about them. They're like the bare minimum of candy - like candy corn on Halloween.

@kate - I'm guessing they went more optimistic so the ending wouldn't be a complete bummer.


I never took you for a candy elitist.

So what's the opposite, a soft candy Christmas? That doesn't sound good either.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:37 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 04:10 PM, said:


I never took you for a candy elitist.


I'm just saying some things are inherently of better quality than others. If that makes me an elitist, well...
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Also, just wanted to let everyone know they're getting "Wishing you a soft candy Christmas" cards from me.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:44 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:


Is it, really?



I think it has better comedic timing, stronger leads against Dolly (as much as I love Burt, he can't beat Lily and Jane), and a better antagonist (Dabney Colemen vs Dom Deluise). The supporting cast in 9to5 is better and more memorable with better defined characters then Whorehouse. What can you tell me about the girl's in in Dolly's house? What do we know about Jewel/Porky? I think the 9 to 5 musical is better then TBLWHIT musical (to be fair, 9to5 musical came out much latter whereas the movie is based on the musical. Whorehouse musical also came from a transition time in Broadway), and I think the song "9 to 5" is better and more closely associated with Dolly then "I Will Always Love You", which rightly or wrongly, is more associated with Whitney.

In Whorehouse's favor though is, Dolly gets to sing more (always a plus), Charles Duning (and what was he doing getting 4th billed for one scene) is better then Sterling Hayden (although their roles aren't exactly analogous, they are both represent an authority figure who can change the course of the film and appear in one scene), and Whorehouse is a lot more diverse then 9to5.

Now, that all said, I think Whorehouse has a more...timely message. You could make this movie today with one minor change (you know they would change Dom Deluise to a televangelist rather then a watch dog consumer advocate---which...why does a watch dog advocate CARE about a whore house in a small town in Texas? Publicity maybe? I can't see it falling in his realm unless the sex workers aren't...as advertised? But the small town politics vs the "big city" politics resonates more, even stronger I think, today then it did in the early 80s.

Growing up in a small town in Kansas (5,000) and living in a slightly bigger town (20,000) but both being the "biggest" city in their area, I could honestly see this playing out, just because I hear and have heard about the complaining every time the state or national legislature votes for something that affects us out here. Small towns in the South/midwest, really just want to be left alone.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:46 PM

View Postkateacola, on 11 September 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

But idk it's still kind of strange to me that closing the Chicken Ranch is like a hard candy Christmas?
They just lost their jobs and have to get out of town! You'd think they'd be more devastated.


I always assumed that the girls knew that their job at the Chicken Ranch had a limited shelf life and Miss Mona wasn't grooming any of them to take over anytime soon, so while it's bad, I would guess it's something that they all knew would come eventually.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:49 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 11 September 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

Also, just wanted to let everyone know they're getting "Wishing you a soft candy Christmas" cards from me.


Honestly, the thought of a "soft candy Christmas" turns my stomach...
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:22 PM

Just to blast through a few responses ...

View PostCameron H., on 11 September 2017 - 05:54 AM, said:

BTW - Here's my hot take on brothels: two consenting adults can have sex for whatever reason they like. A person can want to have sex with someone because they love them, or because of the way they cut their hair, the way they walk, the cereal they eat, or for an exchange of goods and services. As long as both parties agree on the terms, who gives a fuck?


I basically agree, but the way we have sex determines whether we go to heaven, so ... baby Jesus cares, you sinners.

View PostCam Bert, on 11 September 2017 - 06:12 AM, said:

I am obsessed with the celebrity status of local news people. I would love to see a documentary about this. Basically the idea that a person can be famous and respected then drive 20 minutes away and nobody knows or cares who they are is insane to me.


My granddad worked for a local TV news station, and when he died, a couple of the local anchors came to the funeral. And several of our family friends totally and inappropriately freaked the fuck out over being in the same room as these local half-celebs.

But I'll tell you ... these local half-celebs sure sometimes talk and act like the A-listers they think they are.

View PostCinco DeNio, on 11 September 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

I'm not sure I want to know what "Gig'Em" means, though.


Here is a photo of a gigger using a gigger to gig a frog:
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Hope that helps clear things up :)

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:30 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 11 September 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:


My granddad worked for a local TV news station, and when he died, a couple of the local anchors came to the funeral. And several of our family friends totally and inappropriately freaked the fuck out over being in the same room as these local half-celebs.

But I'll tell you ... these local half-celebs sure sometimes talk and act like the A-listers they think they are.



One of the DJs I work with still just goes on and on about this wedding he DJ'd the reception for and a local radio personality was there. I'm like "dude no one outside of the listening area cares and of the listening area, probably only 25% care".

It is a bit weird, the "local celebrity" culture.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:34 PM

View PostCameron H., on 11 September 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

Oh, yeah! I felt terrible for all the women! How horrible!

This was the most troubling part of the movie for me! All these women losing their jobs, losing their homes, having to leave town and go ... where, exactly? And how are they going to explain the giant gap in their employment histories on their job applications?

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:35 PM

View PostEvRobert, on 11 September 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

I think it has better comedic timing, stronger leads against Dolly (as much as I love Burt, he can't beat Lily and Jane), and a better antagonist (Dabney Colemen vs Dom Deluise). The supporting cast in 9to5 is better and more memorable with better defined characters then Whorehouse. What can you tell me about the girl's in in Dolly's house? What do we know about Jewel/Porky? I think the 9 to 5 musical is better then TBLWHIT musical (to be fair, 9to5 musical came out much latter whereas the movie is based on the musical. Whorehouse musical also came from a transition time in Broadway), and I think the song "9 to 5" is better and more closely associated with Dolly then "I Will Always Love You", which rightly or wrongly, is more associated with Whitney.


You convinced me I need to watch 9 to 5. And I had no idea there was a musical version of it.

Re: "I Will Always Love You," I had no idea it was a song in TBLWHIT and when she started singing it in the movie, it was really cool. But today, I kept humming Whitney's version. Dolly's version was so sweet and intimate, but I prefer Whitney's powerful r&b version, especially the part where there's a 4 count (?) silence with a single bass drum kick at the end and then she belts out "And I......"

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:39 PM

Don't forget to mention the real star of this film, Charles Durning, who got an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor!