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Episode 173 - Virtuosity: LIVE!


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:37 AM

View PostWalter, on 13 October 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

I would like to see anyone from Castle as a guest on HDTGM.


I'm surprised Fillion hasn't done it yet TBH

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:46 AM

Lindsey versus Denzel - Robot arm versus robot arm: Who wins?!?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:54 AM

Another C&O (I feel special! I never have corrections and omissions) Taran and Jason say at the beginning that this was Crowe's first film in the United States, which it isn't. His first movie, is another movie I love, from earlier in 1995, Sam Rami's The Quick and The Dead. I'm not sure which one he filmed first, but TQ&TD was released in February of 95 (I know this because I believe I went and saw it around my birthday which is in the middle of February) and Virtuosity was released in late May or early June (a week after Sandra Bullock's The Net. I saw both around their opening weekends).

It's actually interesting to compare Crowe's two 95 performances. He is much more subdued in TQ&TD, probably because Rami was a much more experienced director. Kelly Lynch, in her (IMO weird) 2012 interview with the AV club where she talks about her career, says something to the effect that when there is no captain of the ship, actors can tend to take over. She's talking about Denzel in that situation while praising Crowe for going kind of off the rails. Rami was out to prove himself I think and probably kept a tighter reign on the actors.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:07 PM

One more C&O, again according to Kelly Lynch's 2012 AV Club interview, it was originally written for Mel Gibson then Denzel came on. I do remember Denzel interviews at the time re: his son. My memory (and this may be faulty, I'll concede) is that Denzel said his son wanted him to do an action movie, not this movie specifically.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:43 PM

There is one throw away line in this movie which I thought was the stupidest thing ever. After SID 6.7 murders the guy at the electronics shop he starts to watch the Ultimate Fighting Championship on the TV. The announcer says "there are still a few seats left here at the Olympic auditorium for those of you that want to see the Ultimate Fighting Championship in person." A live sporting event is telling the fans to stop watching it, drive down while missing a large portion of the event, and watch the end live because they have open seats. Unless you are literally 5 minutes away, how is this a good idea for anybody? Do they offer discount prices for coming to see the last half live? One would argue you are watching it on TV because you already couldn't afford to see it live, live to far away to go see it live, or don't care that much about it to go see it live. Who are they trying to target?

Now I hear your argument "that line is only in there so SID 6.7 knows where to go." I agree but couldn't they have also said "the crowd at the Olympic auditorium are on their feet" or something similar which is a common colour commentary thing to say and not asking people to come on down and join halfway through?
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:08 PM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 13 October 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

I can NOT believe Jason didn't mention the gratuitous boobs shot at the weird ass UFC fight! While Denzel is stalking Sid in the ring he passes by a lot of the audience - at which point the camera pans in front of this woman who is standing in front of Denzel and she's just completely topless. Her head isn't even in the shot it's just a random ass blurry shot of breasts while Denzel tries to get a shot at Sid. It's completely unnecessary and bonkers and I would have thought Jason would have made it his mission to point this out lol.

Thank you, I thought I was the only one to notice this. This plays into part of my correction as it wasn't a wrestling event but a UFC card, which the original owners of the promotion allowed to be shown in the movie as a way to broaden their brand name. It makes sense but unfortunately they had no real control over how they were represented in the film. They had Ken Shamrock in a cameo, but the makers of the movie made the event seem like total carnage with a multi-man brawl with no referee, people fighting in the stands, and them cheering at a violent death. This led to many lawmakers, namely John McCain, to call for the outright ban of MMA in many states, most notably New York which only lifted its ban a year ago. It ultimately led to lower ticket sales and buyrates, leading to the eventual sale to Dana White and the Fertitta brothers, who helped completely overhaul the sport's image. So in essence, Virtuosity was pivotal in the evolution of MMA as the sport that we know it as.

Secondly,the total number of personalities that made up Sid bounced around from 150 to over 200 to 666, depending on which person was speaking and which trailer a person saw, the same as the Hawk/Hawks mix-up in Over the Top. The opening training scene wasn't meant to be preparing officers for hunting serial killers specifically, but rather help them develop the skills they would need as a detective, such as clue finding and processing potential suspects. With Sid being made up of hundreds of personalities and MOs, officers would have numerous exercises that they could run through to prepare for the actual job.

Third, as part of my usual prison correction, I will say that no way in hell would they allow Denzel to have a metal prosthetic inside a prison, especially one that could be modified to disarm a bomb. In my facility, even staff are not allowed metal implements like canes or those scooter walkers without a multiple doctors notes and reasons for the accommodation, and even then the worker would usually get a deferred duty where they are working somewhere that isn't filled with inmates. The only metallic equipment given out are wheelchairs and some walkers, though walkers are getting limited as a guy modified the legs of his and stabbed a dude. A bionic arm would never be allowed solely for how many ways it could be used to harm someone or themselves, I mean just recently an inmate at my facility was found to have been cutting himself using discarded sunflower seed shells, so something that is hard enough metal to stop a giant fan blade that contains cords and wires that could be used to hack a computer or strangle someone is a huge no-no.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:11 PM

View PostEvRobert, on 13 October 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:

Another C&O (I feel special! I never have corrections and omissions) Taran and Jason say at the beginning that this was Crowe's first film in the United States, which it isn't. His first movie, is another movie I love, from earlier in 1995, Sam Rami's The Quick and The Dead. I'm not sure which one he filmed first, but TQ&TD was released in February of 95 (I know this because I believe I went and saw it around my birthday which is in the middle of February) and Virtuosity was released in late May or early June (a week after Sandra Bullock's The Net. I saw both around their opening weekends).

It's actually interesting to compare Crowe's two 95 performances. He is much more subdued in TQ&TD, probably because Rami was a much more experienced director. Kelly Lynch, in her (IMO weird) 2012 interview with the AV club where she talks about her career, says something to the effect that when there is no captain of the ship, actors can tend to take over. She's talking about Denzel in that situation while praising Crowe for going kind of off the rails. Rami was out to prove himself I think and probably kept a tighter reign on the actors.

I loved The Quick & the Dead for the hammy performances by all involved and that it was the inspiration for a good portion of Red Dead Revolver on the PS2. I would love if they covered that movie because Crowe's performance in it is the polar opposite of this one in how restrained he is.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:30 PM

View PostRyan Sz, on 13 October 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

I loved The Quick & the Dead for the hammy performances by all involved and that it was the inspiration for a good portion of Red Dead Revolver on the PS2. I would love if they covered that movie because Crowe's performance in it is the polar opposite of this one in how restrained he is.


TQ&TD is so weird because everyone is chewing scenery like they are at the Golden Corral EXCEPT for Crowe, who is giving a very quiet, restrained performance. Interesting to note that Sharon Stone fought pretty hard for Crowe, Rami, and DiCaprio to get work on that film.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:38 PM

Among the many, many dumb things in this movie, the train hostage bit really annoyed me. Parker knows at this point that SID is channeling his former America's Next Top Serial Killer foe who liked to play games with him AND has already riddled SID with bullets to zero effect, other than to have SID Daffy Duck his way away from the fight. So, SID takes a hostage and is obviously toying with Parker while trying to escape, but rather than just let him win, Parker keeps engaging him to try and take a shot he KNOWS isn't going to do anything. Maybe SID would have killed her anyway, but I doubt it; he didn't appear to hurt anyone else on the train. Instead, Parker keeps playing a game he knows he can't win, gets a shot off, and SID shoots the hostage in the back to "frame" him. All on you, Parker. You're a terrible cop.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:59 PM

View PostRyan Sz, on 13 October 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Third, as part of my usual prison correction, I will say that no way in hell would they allow Denzel to have a metal prosthetic inside a prison, especially one that could be modified to disarm a bomb. In my facility, even staff are not allowed metal implements like canes or those scooter walkers without a multiple doctors notes and reasons for the accommodation, and even then the worker would usually get a deferred duty where they are working somewhere that isn't filled with inmates. The only metallic equipment given out are wheelchairs and some walkers, though walkers are getting limited as a guy modified the legs of his and stabbed a dude. A bionic arm would never be allowed solely for how many ways it could be used to harm someone or themselves, I mean just recently an inmate at my facility was found to have been cutting himself using discarded sunflower seed shells, so something that is hard enough metal to stop a giant fan blade that contains cords and wires that could be used to hack a computer or strangle someone is a huge no-no.

But the part where they pit Denzel and the white supremacist against each other in mortal combat ... that's real, right?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:18 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 13 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

But the part where they pit Denzel and the white supremacist against each other in mortal combat ... that's real, right?

Not so much at my facility where there are no gangs due to the classification system of the facility as a Sensitive Needs Facility.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 01:30 AM

View PostRyan Sz, on 13 October 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:


Not so much at my facility where there are no gangs due to the classification system of the facility as a Sensitive Needs Facility.


Another question, how in the world does the prison staff deal with the constant paper the inmates throw down from their cells? That must be a nightmare to clean up.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:31 AM

View PostJonathanVik, on 14 October 2017 - 01:30 AM, said:


Another question, how in the world does the prison staff deal with the constant paper the inmates throw down from their cells? That must be a nightmare to clean up.

Only during riots which are infrequent at my facility.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 05:11 AM

I think I noticed that throughout the entire movie Denzel and Crowe are never in the same shot together. They keep facing off but from a distance and the camera just switches each of between - most evident in SID's train escape scene and when SID breaks Parker out of the prison van. Only in the first scene in the VR world and the ending rooftop fight are they physically fighting. But in the rooftop fight, I'm pretty sure in all those shots one or both of them are stuntmen. And in the opening VR fight, they only show Denzel with the back of Crowe's head and have Denzel's face blocked by a pillar when they show Crowe's face, so I'm not convinced those aren't stuntmen/stand-ins too.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:44 AM

Wait, weren't they doing a Friday the 13th at a live show? If that was already recorded why wasn't that one posted on Friday the 13th??? C'mon y'all!!!
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 12:45 PM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 14 October 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Wait, weren't they doing a Friday the 13th at a live show? If that was already recorded why wasn't that one posted on Friday the 13th??? C'mon y'all!!!

they did jason x the same night as this. i watched the original friday the 13th last night. it's still alot of fun. and that bit where that thing happens (trying not to spoil anything) still gets me.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 05:23 PM

Adding to what Chunk Style and Triply Lindy said about the cops in this film:

At the end of the movie they put Sid back in VR so Denzel and Kelly Lynch (hereto forth referred to as Kenzel) can get the information about there the whereabouts of her daughter. Fine, sure...But once Sid reveals her location it does not seem like anyone is standing by to help them rescue her... like you know, like the regular-ass cops? By the time Kenzel gets out of the helicopter on top of the building, there are some kind of special ops there, but no one is doing ANYTHING to help the poor girl. It seems like there should be an entire specialized bomb squad team sent out... instead they are waiting around for Kenzel to diffuse the bomb. What kind of chicken-shit operation are they running at the precinct? Is anyone else working on this case?

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:13 PM

I feel like everyone I've met in my age bracket saw this movie as a child and enjoyed it. Seeing it again for the first time with adult eyes I only had three new thoughts which I yelled out loud as they happened: "How'd he get that patch!?", "I bet that fancy flash drive popped that police cruiser tire", and "Kaley Cuoco? Really? Huh. Good for her."

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:45 AM

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:42 AM

View PostPollyDarton, on 14 October 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

Adding to what Chunk Style and Triply Lindy said about the cops in this film:

At the end of the movie they put Sid back in VR so Denzel and Kelly Lynch (hereto forth referred to as Kenzel) can get the information about there the whereabouts of her daughter. Fine, sure...But once Sid reveals her location it does not seem like anyone is standing by to help them rescue her... like you know, like the regular-ass cops? By the time Kenzel gets out of the helicopter on top of the building, there are some kind of special ops there, but no one is doing ANYTHING to help the poor girl. It seems like there should be an entire specialized bomb squad team sent out... instead they are waiting around for Kenzel to diffuse the bomb. What kind of chicken-shit operation are they running at the precinct? Is anyone else working on this case?


Not to mention that the captain of the police, the only person on Denzel's side was murder at the VR place. Who ordered those cops? There is no way they'd listen to a former cop turned criminal.
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