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#21 SaraK

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:55 AM

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I didn't like her character either - or the lack of character development for Debora. It didn't help that Baby and Debora had very little chemistry on screen.

I liked the first half of the movie, but I was let down by the latter half, which doesn't even contain many "musical" elements at all. The whole Doc lets Baby go because he was in love once too felt really out of place. Jon Hamm "falling to his death" thing was too convenient - as if the movie's trying to say see, Baby's not a really bad guy, he's not a murderer!


They spent a lot of time making sure we know that Baby is Good Guy. Except when he killed Jamie Foxx really brutally, but he was over the top Bad

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:19 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 18 December 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

I think they were purely judging based on appearances. He's a 20 (?) year old kid that looks like he grew up very well and these are all hardened criminals wondering who the fuckin' snitch is.


His name didn't help either, lol.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 18 December 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

I didn't like her character either - or the lack of character development for Debora. It didn't help that Baby and Debora had very little chemistry on screen.

I liked the first half of the movie, but I was let down by the latter half, which doesn't even contain many "musical" elements at all. The whole Doc lets Baby go because he was in love once too felt really out of place. Jon Hamm "falling to his death" thing was too convenient - as if the movie's trying to say see, Baby's not a really bad guy, he's not a murderer!

I also thought the latter half was a let down! I also kinda thought the driving sequences weren't as strong as they were in the beginning.

Also, I believe that Edgar was influenced by Drive with the strong silent type, but (as much as I loved Ansel in this role) Baby doesn't have the same gravitas as Gosling does as The Driver.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:08 PM

I enjoy this movie a BUNCH, but I agree with a lot of the criticisms, like the lack of chemistry Baby has with Lily James (caused in no small way by the lack of character development for Debora). This is all the more noticeable considering how much Jon Hamm and Eiza Gonzalez absolutely sizzle on screen together and how unpredictable and engrossing the Darling character is to watch. I also think the second half isn't as vibrant as the first. We don't get the catharsis of that opening car chase in the third act. Don't get me wrong, there are some great sequences, but nothing really moves as spectacularly as that sequence does. And that one moment where Jon Bernthal points forward and Baby drives backwards? Fucking priceless.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:23 PM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 18 December 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:


Whoops we've already digressed okay uhm I didn't like Lily James's character. Let's discuss.


I saw on IMDB and this article : http://collider.com/...r-ansel-elgort/ that Emma Stone was being considered for Debora.
I'm sure she could've brought more to the character than Lily did, BUT she went on to do La-La Land instead per IMDB

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Though I definitely think she could've been a better Debora.. I think she made the better decision :)

Also--- Michael Douglas was being considered for Doc (Spacey's part) and Ansel beat out Lorgan Lerman and John Boyega for Baby.

I like to think about alternate casting and how different a movie could've ended up with a different cast.
I can picture Michael Douglas as Doc and think he definitely could've pulled it off well. And now wish it was him instead...

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:37 PM

View Postkateacola, on 18 December 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:


I saw on IMDB and this article : http://collider.com/...r-ansel-elgort/ that Emma Stone was being considered for Debora.
I'm sure she could've brought more to the character thank Lily did, BUT she went on to do La-La Land instead per IMDB


Though I definitely think she could've been a better Debora.. I think she made the better decision :)

Also--- Michael Douglas was being considered for Doc (Spacey's part) and Ansel beat out Lorgan Lerman and John Boyega for Baby.

I like to think about alternate casting and how different a movie could've ended up with a different cast.
And I can picture Michael Douglas as Doc and think he definitely could've pulled it off. And now wish it was him instead...

John Boyega would have been an EXCELLENT baby! But I think the role of Debora would have just had us all feel like Emma was completely under-utilized because, like Fister said, she really didn't have any character to her.

Also I could see how much Lily struggled to not use her British accent the whole damn time and it really bothered me.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

Change Debora to Derrick and cast John Boyega in that role and all of a sudden the central relationship is a biracial gay couple and I WOULD BE INTO IT.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:48 PM

I feel like I'm really shitting on this movie lmao

I promise I loved it!!! I gave it 4 stars on Letterboxd and everything!
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

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Change Debora to Derrick and cast John Boyega in that role and all of a sudden the central relationship is a biracial gay couple and I WOULD BE INTO IT.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:55 PM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 18 December 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

Change Debora to Derrick and cast John Boyega in that role and all of a sudden the central relationship is a biracial gay couple and I WOULD BE INTO IT.


Oh, and cast Oscar Isaac as Baby?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:04 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 18 December 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:


Oh, and cast Oscar Isaac as Baby?

Not quite, but if you were to recast Doc as the Delicious Guatemalan that is Oscar Isaac I would... not hate it.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:16 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 18 December 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Oh, and cast Oscar Isaac as Baby?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:23 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 18 December 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:


Oh, and cast Oscar Isaac as Baby?

Lol.. watching the new Star Wars movie every time he showed up I was like
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Lol. I guess I didn't notice in TFA.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:39 PM

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Lol. I guess I didn't notice in TFA.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:43 PM

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:28 PM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 18 December 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

I feel like I'm really shitting on this movie lmao

I promise I loved it!!! I gave it 4 stars on Letterboxd and everything!

This is how I discuss movies because all my friends say I don't like anything. I've had to consciously start conversations with "I loved this movie" before listing any issues I have with the movie.

To avoid digressing too much again, I agree with whay drone had said so far. Great movie with an okay second half, not enough female character development.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:39 PM

If we keep digressing into Star Wars, maybe we should do the Star Wars Holiday Special next, then to avoid talking about that horrid piece of mynock feces, we digress away from Star Wars into real musicals in that discussion thread.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

Hello... I'm so happy for all the posts...
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I have seen this movie more than 4 times (2 times in Venezuelan theatres and a week later it was available for streaming online because they had pushed the premiere like 3 months)

I have a decent quantity of notes (I won't post them all of them now, but ill share a couple)

The third time I saw it (at my home) I catched a "blink and you'll miss it" graffiti (as the Harlem Shuffle scene were the lyrics appear in various surfaces) in the Bellbottoms chase scene (I made a .gif) just after they back up from the bank then we hear "I Wanna Dance!"

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And before the dinner date Baby stands against the car just as Debora does later in the movie

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 05:26 PM

So, I kind of disagree about the second half being a letdown. I really never got tired of the synched up action sequences. The "Tequila" shootout and the "Intermission/Hocus Pocus" chase were both really excellent. The whole time I was watching those, I was like, "Man, this is done so perfectly, but it's going to suck when some hacky director tries to rip this off and does it nowhere near as well."

My two problems with the movie (other than the aforementioned lack of characterization for either of the women):

1. The "Harlem Shuffle" sequence just doesn't work for me at all. It's supposed to be this cool, long shot where everything syncs up, but it ends up feeling like they wanted a dance number and instead came up with this thing instead. Tonally, it's a major shift from the rest of the movie, and it just really jerks me out of the film every time I watch it.

2. Wright clearly thinks a lot of his snappier dialogue is much more clever than it really is. For example, that whole sequence with The Butcher (who I only just now realized is not, in fact, Toby Jones) where he goes over the "cuts of meat" is just terrible. It reminds me of when people would watch really great indie crime movies in the late 90s and then try to match those movies' style and came up with some complete garbage (*cough* Boondock Saints *cough*). A lot of Spacey's lines are equally terrible, and it doesn't help that he delivers them in that really flat manner.

Other than that, though, I really enjoy this movie. I think one of the best things Wright did was to have Elgort speak as little as possible. Anna Silman wrote a really great review when the movie came out about how letting Elgort speak only when absolutely necessary is probably the #1 thing that makes this movie work.

And then there's Jamie Foxx. Personally, I fucking LOVE his performance in this movie. Yes, he's over-the-top bad, but that's also in keeping with the throwback vibe. In the 70s movies that inspired Baby Driver, it's always the strong, silent hero against mega-evil villain. Now, part of the reason that doesn't work all that well anymore is because our tastes have changed. We like to see more complex characters and sense out some redeemable traits in our villains. Where I think the movie stumbles is that they made Spacey the one with the somewhat redeemable characteristics and Foxx as just a pure monster (side note: I rewatched Heat recently, and I thought about Foxx's performance quite a bit in comparison to Waingro). Anyway, I'm pretty much all on board for Foxx in this.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 07:59 PM

I knew nothing about this flick when it was in theaters this summer and I knew nothing about it as I sat down to watch it tonight and I. Fucking. Dig. This. Movie.

View Posttomspanks, on 18 December 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Jon Hamm "falling to his death" thing was too convenient - as if the movie's trying to say see, Baby's not a really bad guy, he's not a murderer!

View PostSaraK, on 18 December 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

They spent a lot of time making sure we know that Baby is Good Guy. Except when he killed Jamie Foxx really brutally, but he was over the top Bad

At some point while watching, I said out loud, "Jamie Foxx is going to die spectacularly," because he's the antagonist in an Edgar Wright film and they all go out big. I thought that considering some of the over-the-top fatalities in Hot Fuzz and SotD, that both Batz and Buddy's death were rather toned down but still pretty glorious all the same.

View PostSociety Max, on 18 December 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

The third time I saw it (at my home) I catched a "blink and you'll miss it" graffiti (as the Harlem Shuffle scene were the lyrics appear in various surfaces) in the Bellbottoms chase scene (I made a .gif) just after they back up from the bank then we hear "I Wanna Dance!"

View PostFister Roboto, on 18 December 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

The "Harlem Shuffle" sequence just doesn't work for me at all. It's supposed to be this cool, long shot where everything syncs up, but it ends up feeling like they wanted a dance number and instead came up with this thing instead. Tonally, it's a major shift from the rest of the movie, and it just really jerks me out of the film every time I watch it.

I caught this right away and in fact backed up to watch the sequence again because it was so cool. The camera work and pacing is so perfectly and smoothly matched to the music ... it's just fun to watch. But I do agree with Fister -- there's nothing else really like that moment in the movie.

View PostFister Roboto, on 18 December 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

So, I kind of disagree about the second half being a letdown. I really never got tired of the synched up action sequences. The "Tequila" shootout and the "Intermission/Hocus Pocus" chase were both really excellent. The whole time I was watching those, I was like, "Man, this is done so perfectly, but it's going to suck when some hacky director tries to rip this off and does it nowhere near as well."


I caught the beat-matched gunfire too! I LOVED that, such a cool touch and consistent throughout the whole film -- every time a gun was fired, it was on-beat.

I also like the subtle choreography in the laundromat, as Baby and Debora move around each other while tethered by the earbuds they're sharing.