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Episode 178 - Superman IV: The Quest For Peace: LIVE!


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#21 tomspanks

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:49 PM

Isn't the Daily Planet an American newspaper? So why are they using British English spelling on their front page?

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:05 PM

View PostChunkStyle, on 22 December 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

The setting for this movie is a world where the nuclear superpowers cannot agree on disarmament and it has gone the opposite direction into a full blown arms race. But when Superman announces to the UN that he is going to disarm the world he is met with 100% approval. So what was the issue?

I thought the missile launches were not attacks they were the countries working with Superman lobbing them into space for him to collect. It struck me as a very bad idea. What if some huge natural disaster occurred at the same moment Superman was supposed to be snagging a missile. I'd say just pick them up off the ground at your leisure.

I was going to say something similar ... that it makes no sense for all the countries of the world to not just disarm if that's what they really wanted.

And for the scene with the launches to come right after that, it's almost looked like the nuclear powers all said, "Oh shit, Superman's coming for our nukes! Quick -- launch 'em before he gets here." Which of course wouldn't make any sense if they didn't want they in the first place. But then you see that Supes already had a big net full of missiles ready to go, so yeah ... I guess they're just alley-ooping them up to him.

By the way, it would have taken those missiles about 10 minutes to actually get to the sun ... even if he threw them at the speed of light.

View PostGeans, on 22 December 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

I kept trying to articulate in my head that Superman drawing his power from "Earth's yellow sun" would somehow give him an advantage in fighting Solar Dude but then I realized I should stop.

No, you should keep making that point, because I had the exact same thought. Please continue.
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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:12 PM

View PostGeans, on 22 December 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

I kept trying to articulate in my head that Superman drawing his power from "Earth's yellow sun" would somehow give him an advantage in fighting Solar Dude but then I realized I should stop.

I had this thought too! That guy is made from the yellow sun of earth... which is what makes Superman ... um super. So wouldn't his proximity to "Nukes" make him extra super?

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:20 PM

A couple of quick thoughts:

1. I know that this is a super-low budget Cannon Group flick, but couldn't they make Superman go a little faster? He is the slowest on-screen version of himself in this movie.

2. I must respectfully disagree with Ms. Lyonne: I thought that Lex Luther, in this movie, seems to have been reduced to Adam-West-Batman-villain levels of ridiculousness. His costumes are baffling. His dialogue is ludicrous ... he's either addressing his own "awesome brain" or just talking out loud about what he's doing. And I quote:
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3. How the hell does Lex Luthor get out of the museum? When he smashes the glass with the World's Best Bolt Cutters, the alarm starts blaring and people scatter. He snips the Puberman hair out of the display, and then ... just leaves? Has a shoot-out with museum security and flies away in that blimp from the second movie? The scene cuts away here and it's never brought up again (I assume that his thrilling get-away was part of the 45 minutes that was chopped from the 2hr+ version).

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Question:

Did they dub someone else's voice for Jeremy like they did for Nuclear Man? I ask because that kid maybe looked like he was 12 if a day and his voice sounded like he hit puberty at 6. Also did Lenny mug someone from Death Race 2000 to get his car, there is no reason for there to be four gramophones on the outside of the car as a surround sound system, and there definitely shouldn't be people interested in that fact enough to just blindly sit in this random person's car.

Finally, Gene Hackman needs some kind of humanitarian award for giving the performance that he did because he was legit trying and crushing in this film. It was so good I can honestly see how it shaped Luthor in the comics with his mannerisms and superiority complex, especially in titles like All-Star Superman or Superman: Red Son.
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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:45 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 22 December 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:


1. I know that this is a super-low budget Cannon Group flick, but couldn't they make Superman go a little faster? He is the slowest on-screen version of himself in this movie.



You don't enjoy slo-mo, soft moon fighting?

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:46 PM

The Clark/Superman double date is amazing. It's such a familiar 80's trope... especially in sitcoms. It's like a warm cup of cocoa. I was trying to remember some examples where shows/movies have done this and my first thought was this...

Warning, it's not a Susanne Somers, but it is a Mr. Furley.
(It should start where all the switcheroos start getting fun.)


There is also an episode of 30 rock where LL does this to Kenneth I think.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:48 PM

In honor of Mariel Hemingway's grandfather:

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...Never pay a blackmailer,
Never go to law,
Never trust a publisher,
Or you'll sleep on straw.
All your friends will leave you
All your friends will die
So lead a clean and wholesome life
And join them in the sky.


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:53 PM

I found Perry White to have one of the most intriguing arcs in the entire film.

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First time we see him, he's being told that his life's work is shit by a Rupert Murdoch-type who wants to destroy The Daily Planet by turning it into a tabloid. And Perry resents the fact that this guy was able to buy it up out of nowhere because it hasn't been profitable for years and it's publicly traded so he can just buy up all the stock (which incidentally is not how that works) and then slap his name on it and make his daughter a publisher.

So, at the 24 minute mark, he announces that he's "not going to take it lying down" and "if anyone needs me, I'll be downtown" (as if someone could just call "downtown" on the phone and ask to speak to Perry). Lois Lane makes the crack about how he's dressed like his dad used to when he went to the bank to ask for a loan (which was how many times, exactly, Lois?).
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We don't see Perry White again until the very end of the movie, after everything else has resolved, when he rolls into the lobby to take down the Warfield sign and announce that he got the bank to load him the money to buy the remaining shares (not how that works) which somehow made him majority owner, which implies that Warfield came in and started throwing his weight around even though he wasn't the majority owner.

Anyway, what has Perry White been doing all that time? Days have passed. A specific plot point was that Clark Kent had ghosted and no one at the Planet had seen him so Lois gets worried and breaks into his place, yet nobody missed the boss not being there? How long was Perry at the bank? Did he chain himself to the front door of the bank? Did he stage a hunger strike? Did he have to perform dirty deeds for the bankers? There's no way a love of the Fourth Estate alone convinced a bank to give an elderly man millions in order to resurrect an unprofitable newspaper -- what did Perry do during all that time to convince them to loan the money?

And more importantly, what was his long-term plan, going into debt in order to buy a failing newspaper? He would have had to borrow millions, which would take decades to pay back, and if the Planet was struggling in 1987, it has to be deader-than-dead today when even, in my own town print, media is practically non-existent. Knowing the path that print journalism has taken since this movie came out makes this the story of Perry White's impending financial ruin, incurred in a Hail Mary attempt to save a vestige of dying industry as it slips toward irrelevance at the dawn of the age of "fake news."

This, combined with the nuclear weapons story line, may make this one of the most poignantly prescient American movies ever filmed in a British industrial park.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

View PostSeaSkunk, on 22 December 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:


You don't enjoy slo-mo, soft moon fighting?

Their "space slap-fight" wire-work was particularly impressive.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:15 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 22 December 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

2. I must respectfully disagree with Ms. Lyonne: I thought that Lex Luther, in this movie, seems to have been reduced to Adam-West-Batman-villain levels of ridiculousness. His costumes are baffling. His dialogue is ludicrous ... he's either addressing his own "awesome brain" or just talking out loud about what he's doing. And I quote:
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How ironic!

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:23 PM

The conceit of Nuclear Man is that he came into existence when Superman threw all those missiles into the sun. Specifically, Luthor hid a device in one of said missiles. But why? The sun is, essentially, a massive fusion reactor. Why not just launch the device directly into the sun yourself? Why go through with the whole rigamarole of hiding a device in a nuclear missile hoping that someday, somehow, Superman will throw said missile into the sun?

I understand that we're in Dr. Evil territory, but what's Luthor's backup plan?

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:25 PM

View Postjoel_rosenbaum, on 22 December 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

There are some intuitive ways to understand how the earth is round.

1) As you head north or south, you'll notice that the length of days change. Well, if the earth was flat, that wouldn't happen. That's because your angle relative to the sun wouldn't change very much. That's true whether you assume the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun (spinning like a quarter?).

2) If you are flying over the ocean you can actually see the curvature of the earth. If you're on the water, it's harder to see, but you'll notice that distant objects "disappear" over the horizon (i.e. there is no longer a direct line of sight between you and the distant object).

Didn't real Mariners know the Earth wasn't flat for like always? Because you can't just see across the world on a clear day? And it's a myth that Columbus was the first to think it was round?

Also, another reason to believe now--even if you think that Moon landing thing was a hoax: satellites work? Like we have GPS in all our phones, ergo NASA calculated correctly?

I read an article a few weeks ago about a man who was going to shoot himself into orbit with a homemade rocket to prove the world was flat.
https ://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/21/this-man-is-about-to-launch-himself-in-his-homemade-rocket-to-prove-the-earth-is-flat/

I am afraid to look up what happened.


Ooh, Lee Danger Hawken came in and out-nerded me on kryptonite. I am shamed.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 03:02 AM

No one can replace June but Jessica is a more than worthy addition to the nonsense. I'm excited that she's in for at least one more.

View PostElektra Boogaloo, on 22 December 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

I read an article a few weeks ago about a man who was going to shoot himself into orbit with a homemade rocket to prove the world was flat.
https ://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/21/this-man-is-about-to-launch-himself-in-his-homemade-rocket-to-prove-the-earth-is-flat/

I am afraid to look up what happened.

I believe he proved that law enforcement can stop some rando guy from shooting off half-assed homemade rockets.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 04:47 AM

View PostElektra Boogaloo, on 22 December 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

Didn't real Mariners know the Earth wasn't flat for like always? Because you can't just see across the world on a clear day? And it's a myth that Columbus was the first to think it was round?
Yep. People knew the earth was round since forever.

They even knew that the earth revolved around the sun since forever, because the positions of the planets change eccentrically in the sky. But people in the western world *did* forget that one, at least until Copernicus came around and re-established that particular fact.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 07:10 AM

View PostSeaSkunk, on 22 December 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:


You don't enjoy slo-mo, soft moon fighting?

I did really enjoy Nuclear Man pounding on Superman's head driving him into the ground like a nail.

One thing I found interesting about the moon is I didn't know if we left the flags on the moon. Or, at least, not all of them. It turns out we did leave them. The Apollo 11 one is probably gone or destroyed since Buzz Aldrin saw it get knocked over from the rocket blasts as they left.

The flags that do exist would all the bleached white due to their being no protection from ultraviolet rays. Micro meteors and abrasive lunar dust have probably ripped them to tatters supposing they weren't burned up by lunar blasters.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 07:27 AM

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 08:10 AM

While it's unfortunate we couldn't get a Christmas movie for the Christmas episode, I felt it prudent to send you all a Merry Christmas message.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 09:16 AM

One of the biggest plot holes (I know there is a ton) is Nuclear Man's clothes. Lex puts a gold and a black strip of fabric into the box on top of the protoplasm. Then says the computer will weave him clothes. But how?

There is no way Nuclear Man's costume would fit in that tiny box. Also when would it make the costume? After it explodes in the Sun? What kind of super computer could weave a full size, indestructible costume, comple with a cape and emblems? And making it to fit a person who wasn't formed until after the computer was destroyed.

Just lazy film making.

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 09:17 AM

And I love that GIF Polly.