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#61 SeaSkunk

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 02:20 PM

Is anyone else watching Jean Claude van Johnson with the one and only JCVD? It's amazing.

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 04:07 PM

View PostSeaSkunk, on 26 December 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

Is anyone else watching Jean Claude van Johnson with the one and only JCVD? It's amazing.

It's on my watchlist as I'm currently finishing up American Gods, and I think I'll only be able to get through a few episodes of JCVJ since the new season of Black Mirror comes out this Friday.
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Posted 26 December 2017 - 04:50 PM

View PostChopping MAL, on 24 December 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

The entire chain gang scene is ridiculous.

Having only two guards for a chain gang seems stupid especially when that chain gang includes a man who almost sank California into the ocean! Not to mention having successfully escaped from prison before. Honestly how is Lex not in a maximum security prison or on death row? He used missles to cause an earthquake on US soil. Then teams up with alien conquerors to take over the country! And at the end of this movie Superman drops him back off at prison and says to him "See you in twenty". TWENTY?!

Multiple attempts at world domination and escaping prison twice only gets you twenty?

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 25 December 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:

My issue with Lex Luthor's imprisonment isn't how unguarded he is while in prison or how easily he escaped his chain gang: it's that he's in jail at all! He's a white billionaire, how many of those guys actually do hard time for anything? Hell, Donald Trump is basically Stupid Sex Criminal Luthor with a less snazzy wardrobe, and he's the God damn president!

Considering that Lex Luther is a Wile E. Coyote-level supergenius, it's odd that his best plan for escaping such a rinky-dink chain gang is to have his idiot nephew trap them in a car and drive them non-fatally off the cliff. I'm surprised it never occurred to him how easily two cops could been overpowered by a half dozen guys with pick-axes. Or how about just throw a rock? That would seem to be enough.

This comes back to what I said earlier about Lex Luthor being 1950s "Batman" villain-level incompetent. Either we're supposed to take him seriously when he says he's a genius and therefore take him seriously, in general, or we're supposed to see, based on available evidence, that he's a fool when he says this and thus never take him seriously again.

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 10:14 PM

View PostThe_Triple_Lindy, on 26 December 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Considering that Lex Luther is a Wile E. Coyote-level supergenius, it's odd that his best plan for escaping such a rinky-dink chain gang is to have his idiot nephew trap them in a car and drive them non-fatally off the cliff. I'm surprised it never occurred to him how easily two cops could been overpowered by a half dozen guys with pick-axes. Or how about just throw a rock? That would seem to be enough.

This comes back to what I said earlier about Lex Luthor being 1950s "Batman" villain-level incompetent. Either we're supposed to take him seriously when he says he's a genius and therefore take him seriously, in general, or we're supposed to see, based on available evidence, that he's a fool when he says this and thus never take him seriously again.

I agree, and that's part of the fundamental flaw in this movie. It presents this very real, very present, and intractable problem of nuclear proliferation and the resulting annihilation via WWIII, but the main antagonist is a cartoon character that Adam West could dispose of with a quick catchphrase and a spray of his patented Dipshit Repellent pulled from his Bat-Belt.
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:47 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 26 December 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

I agree, and that's part of the fundamental flaw in this movie. It presents this very real, very present, and intractable problem of nuclear proliferation and the resulting annihilation via WWIII, but the main antagonist is a cartoon character that Adam West could dispose of with a quick catchphrase and a spray of his patented Dipshit Repellent pulled from his Bat-Belt.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 12:25 PM

Since things are quieting down for this board I just want to add how oddly relevant I found this movie to be. The threat of Nuclear war, a distrust of Russia, tabloid journalism wreaking havoc over newspapers that can no longer make any money selling their brand, nepotism of the wealthy and their unqualified children, and of course Billionaire's that should be in prison hanging out in tacky rooms of gold...
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:15 PM

View PostCameron H., on 27 December 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:


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Come to think of Super-Friends, and when picking super-genius villains, this movie would be at least twice as good if Lex teamed up with a certain other distinguished actor portraying an... EGGO-maniacal baddie...
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:42 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 27 December 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

Come to think of Super-Friends, and when picking super-genius villains, this movie would be at least twice as good if Lex teamed up with a certain other distinguished actor portraying an... EGGO-maniacal baddie...
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:57 AM

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 28 December 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:


Because Vincent Price makes everything infinitely better with his mere presence


Hell. Yes. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 06:29 PM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Hell. Yes. I couldn't have said it better myself.

My mom is a big Vincent Price fan, so I grew up watching a lot of his old movies. The episode of The Muppet Show he was on is one of the best things that has ever happened, and I've seen it what is probably an unreasonable amount of times.

So I was quite surprised when I got to college and we watched the version of The Fall of the House of Usher starring Price (and directed by Roger Corman!), people in my class straight up hated it. They were like, "Why are we watching this shitty, ham-fisted, over-dramatic garbage?" And I was just going, "BUT VINCENT PRICE IS IN IT!!!"

Not for the first time...I failed to win any others over to my side with that argument.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 09:28 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 28 December 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

My mom is a big Vincent Price fan, so I grew up watching a lot of his old movies. The episode of The Muppet Show he was on is one of the best things that has ever happened, and I've seen it what is probably an unreasonable amount of times.

So I was quite surprised when I got to college and we watched the version of The Fall of the House of Usher starring Price (and directed by Roger Corman!), people in my class straight up hated it. They were like, "Why are we watching this shitty, ham-fisted, over-dramatic garbage?" And I was just going, "BUT VINCENT PRICE IS IN IT!!!"

Not for the first time...I failed to win any others over to my side with that argument.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:05 AM

Vincent Price factoid;

The rapper Antonio Hardy took his stage name "Big Daddy Kane" from Vincent Price's role in Beach Party.
Although judging by their wardrobes, it looks like his inspiration was more Dr. Goldfoot:

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:08 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 28 December 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

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Anyone who doesn't take absolute delight in the Corman/Price Edgar Allen Poe films... I just can't comprhened. I love all of them! Mayhaps not equally, but if you love movies enough to take film classes, I can't understand not being able to get some joy out of them.

Well, to maybe give a bit more perspective: it was an English class at a community college (no shade against community colleges because mine was great to me, but man, the freshman level classes there are rough if you actually like learning).
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 03:37 PM

Longtime listener, first-time poster...and coming in very late on this topic.

I had a tiny part in the film, so can add to a couple of the points made on the podcast.
1. Christopher Reeve was very pleasant on the set.
2. There were some signs of money problems/lack of special effects. I played a newlywed who was trying to get into a hip nightclub. At one point, Christopher Reeve was told to blow on me and that would suggest that my husband and I were blown into the nightclub. He said, 'Won't it just look like I'm spitting on this perfectly nice girl?' There was also some ridiculous product placement - for no reason my character had to suddenly drink some yogurt drink (making sure the product's name was on view) like you do when you're a newlywed who can't get into a nightclub.
3. I was invited to the premiere and discovered.....my scene (along with about 40 minutes of the film) were cut. I was mortified - I'd been in for some post-syncing and had seen it (it was the Metro Club scene) and thought it had a goofy charm.
4. The Metro Club scene is one of the those mysterious deleted scenes no one seems to have got their hands on - my memory was that it was supposed to look like a Studio 54 club with (and now I'm wondering if I hallucinated this) a bunch of people dressed like the Statue of Liberty.
5. My husband who came to the audition with me and was spotted by the casting director played....Man on the Great Wall of China. Yeah, one of the non-Chinese people up on the wall.

Love the podcast (hope you do a live show in London sometime) - I was in (or been cut out of) some other bad films, so they'll probably pop up some time.

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:14 AM

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:01 PM

Am I the only one wondering what kind of hat June Diane Raphael is wearing? I hope they post the videos of June's film synopsis.