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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:49 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 28 December 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

So, the main thing is that it ultimately comes down to a glorification of a total garbage person. Barnum was a terrible (and terribly racist) dude that exploited the people who the movie has praise him. I think I would have liked it a lot more if it weren't presented as a biopic but was instead presented as a fictional story inspired by PT Barnum (which is actually what it is). Or if they had done the movie as being about the circus performers and told their stories, I'd be really into it. The hero worship of Barnum, though, just really turned me off.

Man I read your review on Letterboxd and didn't even know about some of the shit he did but I've always hated the dude for his mistreatment of animals in order to "entertain." He really is a garbage person.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:07 AM

I just realized I never watched Muppet Christmas Carol and would like to discuss it afterward. Would it be OK if I watched it this weekend and posted notes in here?
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:10 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 28 December 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

I don't want to get too much into it because I'm hoping in about 3-4 months, someone will choose this as a MM pick. I think there's a TON to talk about, and it'll make for a great discussion. So, the main thing is that it ultimately comes down to a glorification of a total garbage person. Barnum was a terrible (and terribly racist) dude that exploited the people who the movie has praise him. I think I would have liked it a lot more if it weren't presented as a biopic but was instead presented as a fictional story inspired by PT Barnum (which is actually what it is). Or if they had done the movie as being about the circus performers and told their stories, I'd be really into it. The hero worship of Barnum, though, just really turned me off. All that said, fucking Zac Efron needs to get back in the musical game right now. He's so good in this, and his song with Zendaya was the standout scene for me. And while Jackman can sing and dance very well, Efron blows him away as soon as they have their first song together. Anyway, have a thing I found earlier:

Sheer genius video!
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:11 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 29 December 2017 - 07:07 AM, said:

I just realized I never watched Muppet Christmas Carol and would like to discuss it afterward. Would it be OK if I watched it this weekend and posted notes in here?


I have absolutely no problem with this.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:29 AM

View PostCameron H., on 29 December 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

I have absolutely no problem with this.

Me neither! I did a rewatch for Christmas so I'm down for a discussion!
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:57 AM

I'm definitely happy to discuss Muppet Christmas Carol! I watched it last week and totally forgot how much I loved it.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 28 December 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

I don't want to get too much into it because I'm hoping in about 3-4 months, someone will choose this as a MM pick. I think there's a TON to talk about, and it'll make for a great discussion.

So, the main thing is that it ultimately comes down to a glorification of a total garbage person. Barnum was a terrible (and terribly racist) dude that exploited the people who the movie has praise him. I think I would have liked it a lot more if it weren't presented as a biopic but was instead presented as a fictional story inspired by PT Barnum (which is actually what it is). Or if they had done the movie as being about the circus performers and told their stories, I'd be really into it. The hero worship of Barnum, though, just really turned me off.

All that said, fucking Zac Efron needs to get back in the musical game right now. He's so good in this, and his song with Zendaya was the standout scene for me. And while Jackman can sing and dance very well, Efron blows him away as soon as they have their first song together.

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I totally agree with Zac Efron. I admit I had HSM flashbacks watching him with Zendaya but he absolutely makes the movie. My biggest issues were that turns are glossed over and the whole thing felt like a stage musical filmed. I watched the cast perform Come Alive during A Christmas Story Live! and didn't care for it but it's now my favorite song after I saw it in the movie.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:13 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 29 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

I totally agree with Zac Efron. I admit I had HSM flashbacks watching him with Zendaya but he absolutely makes the movie. My biggest issues were that turns are glossed over and the whole thing felt like a stage musical filmed. I watched the cast perform Come Alive during A Christmas Story Live! and didn't care for it but it's now my favorite song after I saw it in the movie.

I've been listening to the soundtrack and hating myself for how much I enjoy it. I like "Come Alive," but does the part right before the chorus not remind you of "Firework" by Katy Perry?

I also really like "This is Me." The bearded lady was my favorite character, and I wouldn't hesitate to watch a spinoff about her.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 29 December 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

I'm definitely happy to discuss Muppet Christmas Carol! I watched it last week and totally forgot how much I loved it.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:19 AM

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 01:13 PM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 29 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

I totally agree with Zac Efron. I admit I had HSM flashbacks watching him with Zendaya but he absolutely makes the movie. My biggest issues were that turns are glossed over and the whole thing felt like a stage musical filmed. I watched the cast perform Come Alive during A Christmas Story Live! and didn't care for it but it's now my favorite song after I saw it in the movie.

I really enjoyed The Greatest Showman. I mean, it's not the deepest movie, but for sheer surface-level pap, it made me smile in a rather uncontrollable fashion. I agree that Zac Efron was totally magnetic in this movie. His athleticism and charisma are pretty remarkable so I hope he finds projects that utilize his talents like Greatest Showman does.

And what Fister Roboto said about PT Barnum being a racist snake oil salesman scumbag, I totally agree. I had the same thought about wishing the movie had just invented a character inspired by the Barnum myth. I mean, it would be more historically accurate if Brisco County Jr. had been called "Wyatt Earp: A True Story" without making any other changes.

Maybe it's just my love for Hugh Jackman, but I think he is a once-in-a-generation performer. His charisma, acting ability, singing voice, and athleticism, even now into his late 40s, are all at extraordinarily high levels. To see that in a single movie star is a dose of hyper-present talent. When coming up with historical equivalents, I am hard pressed to find comparisons. For example, he is definitely not the dancer that Gene Kelly was, but he is a far better actor. What he's able to bring to roles like what we saw in Logan or Prisoners were rather extraordinary. Plus, he screams while shirtless with claws unsheathed pretty well WHILE looking super handsome in a top-hat and tails.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

Ok you guys have convinced me to go see it. Plus, I heard from some of my aerial friends (I practice Lyra and silks for fun) that those performances are pretty cool.

Zac Efron is one of those actors I always enjoy but immediately forget about when he doesn’t have a current project. He’s so charismatic on screen but one of those ‘too good looking for a personality’ types. I hope this leads to less frat boy movies.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:48 PM

Thanks again, Cameron H., for mentioning HBO Go. I was going to rent Muppet Christmas Carol from Amazon but then saw it was available on the HBO Channel in Amazon Video. Decided to check HBO Go and I can watch it there for free!
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:51 PM

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Maybe it's just my love for Hugh Jackman, but I think he is a once-in-a-generation performer. His charisma, acting ability, singing voice, and athleticism, even now into his late 40s, are all at extraordinarily high levels. To see that in a single movie star is a dose of hyper-present talent. When coming up with historical equivalents, I am hard pressed to find comparisons. For example, he is definitely not the dancer that Gene Kelly was, but he is a far better actor. What he's able to bring to roles like what we saw in Logan or Prisoners were rather extraordinary. Plus, he screams while shirtless with claws unsheathed pretty well WHILE looking super handsome in a top-hat and tails.

I was thinking this would be a great stage show if the story was worked on. I could see him doing this kind of performance night after night. I never saw The Boy from Australia but he was supposedly very good in that.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:53 PM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 29 December 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

I was thinking this would be a great stage show if the story was worked on. I could see him doing this kind of performance night after night. I never saw The Boy from Australia but he was supposedly very good in that.

ETA: Sorry. It's The Boy from Oz.

(singing)"We are just like Romeo and Juliet. We're happy, young and <hacking cough> hemorrhaging blood."
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Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:31 AM

It occurred to me that these movies are a true nundercover situation

Also I’m hopped up on cold meds so when I thought of that, I laughed a little too much.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:45 AM

View PostSaraK, on 01 January 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

It occurred to me that these movies are a true nundercover situation

Also I’m hopped up on cold meds so when I thought of that, I laughed a little too much.

Also nundercover:
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 07:34 AM

I apologize for the delay but I'm ready to discuss Muppet Christmas Carol if anyone is still willing.

Likes:
Rizzo the Rat overall - funny character and had heart
The rat bookkeepers - Also funny ("ask him! ask him!")
Michael Caine overall (except for one part mentioned below)
Robin the Frog as Tiny Tim
The Ghost of Christmas Present - I liked how he shrank to fit the room. He reminded me of one ghost from Jim Carrey's animated version
The Scrooge song
Paul WIlliams doing all the songs

Dislikes:
Michael Caine in the Christmas of the Future scene -- maybe I tuned out but I missed whatever frightened Scrooge into turning his life around
Kermit's family dynamics - It seemed like the girls were on Miss Piggy's side and the boys on Kermit's side. No mixing or toning down.

I'll leave it there for now. Thoughts?
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:25 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 02 January 2018 - 07:34 AM, said:

Likes:
The rat bookkeepers - Also funny ("ask him! ask him!")

They get my favorite line in the whole movie!

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Dislikes:
Michael Caine in the Christmas of the Future scene -- maybe I tuned out but I missed whatever frightened Scrooge into turning his life around

So he really (in my opinion) had already made this decision during the Christmas Present portion of the story but they really just needed to hammer home how little people cared about him by showing him what would happen after he and Tiny Tim passed away. And when Future takes him to his own grave it's like "oh shit I'm the one that dies and literally no one cares."
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 10:42 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 29 December 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

I've been listening to the soundtrack and hating myself for how much I enjoy it. I like "Come Alive," but does the part right before the chorus not remind you of "Firework" by Katy Perry?

I also really like "This is Me." The bearded lady was my favorite character, and I wouldn't hesitate to watch a spinoff about her.


(singing)"We are just like Romeo and Juliet. We're happy, young and <hacking cough> hemorrhaging blood."
-- Mary Lane, Reefer Madness: The Movie Musical (2005)

"On you, wet is my favorite color"
-- Elvis Presley, Blue Hawaii (1961)