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#41 EvRobert

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:57 AM

I don't think it's the same church from the first movie. I think the nuns transferred to this dying school in...Los Angeles? San Fransisco? But the impression I had was that it was in a different city

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:59 AM

I just checked Wikipedia, both films take place in San Fran, the first was St Katherine's Parish, the second St Francis Academy

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:02 AM

Also can we just talk about how this sweet, almost saccharine movie was directed by legendary tough guy BILL DUKE! (it was also the first major Hollywood sequel to be directed by an African-American. I wonder if that was Whoppi's influence?)

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:12 AM

View PostEvRobert, on 03 January 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

I don't think it's the same church from the first movie. I think the nuns transferred to this dying school in...Los Angeles? San Fransisco? But the impression I had was that it was in a different city

It's definitely the same church; they're just working with the school now (I don't know if that's how Catholic schools work, but that's how the movie sets it up).
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:16 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 03 January 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

It's definitely the same church; they're just working with the school now (I don't know if that's how Catholic schools work, but that's how the movie sets it up).

I went to Catholic for two years (not even Catholic my mom just wanted a good education) and that is how they usually work. Our school was directly connected to the local parish and we would have to go to Friday mass every week. The only thing I even remember from mass is being hella bored and jealous that I was too young to receive communion.
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

well then I have no explanation. I just assumed it was different. Maybe they were hoping that no body in the neighborhood would remember her. And that all the school board members were out of town that day. And don't read the newspaper.

My best guess is that this was a Die Hard With A Vengeance situation, where they took a pre-exisiting script and did a quick polish to make it about Whoopi and friends.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:53 AM

View PostEvRobert, on 03 January 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

well then I have no explanation. I just assumed it was different. Maybe they were hoping that no body in the neighborhood would remember her. And that all the school board members were out of town that day. And don't read the newspaper.

My best guess is that this was a Die Hard With A Vengeance situation, where they took a pre-exisiting script and did a quick polish to make it about Whoopi and friends.


I actually thought it was a different church too, which allowed me to handwave a lot of stuff. (though I did question why they abandoned the church they just saved, but whatever) But if this is the same church, then the priests really should have known better. I would assume they would have attended the Pope performance.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:55 AM

Oh I read that Bette Midler turned down Sister Act. It would've been a vastly different film with Bette!

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:20 AM

View PostCameron H., on 03 January 2018 - 05:59 AM, said:

It also bothered me that at one point Father Maurice tells Mother Superior that Delores has been "disruptive," but she's literally done nothing disruptive at all! Her students are - and always have been - the problem. It's not like in the first one where she's a real wrench in the gears. In this movie she is nothing but cooperative and helpful from the jump. Unless you count not wanting to eat Father Wolfgang's pornographic bratwurst as "disruptive."

THIS SCENE IS BANANAS. It's right after Whoopi finds out that they are going to be closing the school and then has a scene where she tells the other nuns. Out of nowhere, Father Maurice's concern is Sister Mary Clarence being disruptive? That's what he's anxious about?? He says to Mother Superior "My mind is CONSUMED with trying to deal with..." "Sister Mary Clarence?". Then they proceed to say her name no less than 5 more times "Tell me about YOUR experience with Sister Mary Clarence?" What the fuck? GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME FATHER.

It reminds me of Homer's demands about Poochie the dog - "whenever Poochie's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Poochie?'

View PostCameron H., on 03 January 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

Was anyone else having issues trying to figure out Lauren Hill's mother's motivations and rationale? She says she wants Hill to focus on school and get good grades, but how is having her drop out doing her any good? By dropping it, at best she can hope for an Incomplete which is probably going to fuck up her GPA just as bad as getting an "F." I mean, the whole reason she was in Music class in the first place - at least as far as we know at first - was to get an easy "A." Isn't having her dropping the class counterproductive? Also, her mom seems to have a real issue with the class becoming a choir, but Hill didn't just join some extracurricular activity. Dolores made the unilateral decision to make them a choir. For Hill to do well in school, she HAS to stay in that class! Or, if her mother really is really that opposed to it, she could go to Father Maurice - state her case - and hope he'll allow for a mid-semester (quarter?) transfer

I get she wanted her to focus on something other than singing, but she is intentionally sabotaging her daughter's academic career. It makes no sense.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:27 AM

View PostFister Roboto, on 03 January 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

3. Cameron touched on it a bit, but the biggest problem I have with this movie is that it tried to do something different while also trying to cling to the wrong parts of the first movie. The first movie worked because it was a pretty by-the-book fish out of water story. She constantly butts heads with Mother Superior while winning the friendship of the other nuns because of her unconventional methods. Part of what makes it so great is that Maggie Smith and Whoopi are EXCELLENT against one another. They're the perfect foils for one another on every level. So what does this movie do? It starts out with a long hug between the two of them before Maggie Smith hands Whoopi a bucket of exposition and then disappears until the end. Instead, it looks like we're going to have a battle of wills between Whoopi and her class full of stereotypes, but she wins them over as quickly as she won over the nuns in the first movie. So where's the tension? There's the administrator that's going to shut the school down, but there's never any real conflict revealed between the two (and never any explanation of how the music program is going to be what saves the school). There's Lauryn Hill's mother, but we only see her...what, twice? Three times? That story isn't really fleshed out enough to make anyone care. A far more interesting story, I think, would have spent more time exploring Deloris trying to win over the students. It would have taken the first movie where Deloris was the unconventional outsider and flipped the premise so that now she had to realize that she was part of the establishment. OR it could have been a case of Maggie Smith reluctantly inviting her back because she knows she needs her help even though she still doesn't totally love Deloris, the class falling in love with her because she was so unconventional, but the administrator hating her for that same unconventionality, and in the end, Maggie Smith is the one that comes to her side and encourages her to be herself. Instead, the movie tries to do ALL of these things, and it comes out as a bit of a jumbled mess.


I also could've used more Maggie Smith in the sequel. Do you think maybe they were going for Lauryn Hill as the Maggie Smith stand in? They both have excellent I-don't-care-for-your-bullshit attitudes.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:28 AM

Can we talk for a second about the "If you want to be somebody, if you want to go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention."

OK... Why are they reciting this? For what purpose? This is music class, but she isn't having them sing it... so when Bobo Kelly Clarkson says "Hey, can we waken this up a little?" Whoopi is BOWLED OVER. "WAIT WAIT... WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?" Did she not see them singing and rapping on their own at least 2 other times?? I did!

Also - Real teenagers would do EXACTLY NONE OF THESE THINGS. Even in the 90's. Real teens would do the pranks and maybe even play some music on a boom box (that's what the kids use, right?) but otherwise would sit and roll their eyes through 99% of this whole experince. The whole rap battle thing feels SO disingenuous to me. I could be wrong though...I did go to highschool in the 90s, but I did not go to a inner city school.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:33 AM

View PostPollyDarton, on 02 January 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:36 AM

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:40 AM

View PostPollyDarton, on 03 January 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

Can we talk for a second about the "If you want to be somebody, if you want to go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention."

OK... Why are they reciting this? For what purpose? This is music class, but she isn't having them sing it... so when Bobo Kelly Clarkson says "Hey, can we waken this up a little?" Whoopi is BOWLED OVER. "WAIT WAIT... WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?" Did she not see them singing and rapping on their own at least 2 other times?? I did!


Bobo Kelly Clarkson and the actor who plays Ahmal are credited with the lyrics of this "song." I guess they let anyone on the set come up with songs for this movie?

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:56 AM

View PostPollyDarton, on 03 January 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

Can we talk for a second about the "If you want to be somebody, if you want to go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention."

OK... Why are they reciting this? For what purpose? This is music class, but she isn't having them sing it... so when Bobo Kelly Clarkson says "Hey, can we waken this up a little?" Whoopi is BOWLED OVER. "WAIT WAIT... WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?" Did she not see them singing and rapping on their own at least 2 other times?? I did!


You didn't spend your music classes in HS reciting nonsensical lyrics? You must have gone to a very good school.

Seriously though, I feel like she was trying to change the class from music into a weird inspirational/philosophy class. And then they started singing, so she changed again. She's not a teacher! She's just buying time til she comes up with a lesson plan.


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Bobo Kelly Clarkson and the actor who plays Ahmal are credited with the lyrics of this "song." I guess they let anyone on the set come up with songs for this movie?


And then Ahmal wrote 'Miami' for Will Smith, so I mean, those talent scouts knew what they had.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 11:54 AM

View PostEvRobert, on 03 January 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

My best guess is that this was a Die Hard With A Vengeance situation, where they took a pre-exisiting script and did a quick polish to make it about Whoopi and friends.

I wouldn't be surprised about this at all. Sister Act 2 came out a year and a half after Sister Act. That's not a really really tight turnaround for a sequel without a bunch of special effects but it's pretty short. Especially for a surprise hit with a start who want interested in making a sequel.

Its either a repurposed script or written very quickly. Both options would explain all the inconsistencies everyone is pointing out.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:52 PM

View PostSaraK, on 03 January 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

And then Ahmal wrote 'Miami' for Will Smith, so I mean, those talent scouts knew what they had.


I would put Miami in the list of top 5 Will Smith songs.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:32 PM

And “Nightmare on My Street” at number one.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:34 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 03 January 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:


I would put Miami in the list of top 5 Will Smith songs.

Are we counting Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff separate from Will Smith? Because Miami is definitely top 5 Will Smith solo. Not sure top 5 overall.