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Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:59 AM

View PostSaraK, on 21 May 2018 - 06:50 AM, said:

I think this movie is fantastic, but the one thing I would do to change it is make Alan M. be like their videographer or something - have some written in reason why they keep performing directly to camera plus loop him into the story more. What was he even doing in New York while they were being a big deal for that week or so? Did the record company put him up too?

Josie brought him along because she knew Missi Pyle was going to try and steal him away if he was left in Riverdale, and then she told him that she had to convince the record company that he was her guitar tech. The part that doesn't make sense is that if they had convinced he was part of their crew he should have been there a lot more for the BTS stuff.

I think my favorite lines were all the ones where the acknowledge the comic like when the manager asks Missi Pyle why she was even there and she goes, "Because I was in the comic." Just a little bit of genius for me to explain why this super shitty character that legit had no purpose was still hanging around. Also again legit every DuJour line still cracks me up.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:02 AM

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:03 AM

View PostCameron H., on 21 May 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

Guuuuuuuuuuuys...I really didn't like this movie.

Usually I'm a sucker for these types of movies, but this just didn't work for me at all. The cheesy pop-punk, the dumb jokes, the clichéd story, I was resistant to all of it. I remember laughing exactly one time, and I honestly can't remember what the joke was that made me chuckle.

I had no connection with the characters. Both Josie and Val are an absolute drag. These are supposed to be musicians and it's like they never let loose. There was a song that they were singing where Josie kind of did this rock nod thing that looked painful to watch. There was absolutely no swagger in anything they were doing. The movie keeps telling us how cool these women are, but I never actually see it. Even the concert scene are boring. At least School of Rock gave us some rock slides, kicks, and jumps. This movie is just stand in front of the microphone and sing.

Within a minute, I basically mapped out the entire plot and just watched as, piece by piece, everything fell into place. And I'm not saying that even good movies aren't sometimes predictable or formulaic, but usually they can bring something new to the table to make you forget about all of that.

I mean, I'm glad I saw it, but for the life of me, I really don't get why everyone seems to like it so much.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. This movie just didn't appeal to me aesthetically or in its plot, music, or even the comedy. I actually think Rachael Leigh Cook is an underrated actress who just kind of got lost after she became a "Teen" sensation in this era of movies, so seeing her starring in something was fun. But the music though just reminded me of the Avril Lavigne-brand of pop punk that still irks me like fish hooks scraping my ear drums. So for me, seeing a satire of Du Jour as a prefabricated boy band, then presenting the Pussycats as "real," genuine musicians with integrity to be manipulated by Evil Executives seemed pretty disingenuous from the get-go.

But Alan Cumming as a smarmy, suited villain chewing scenery? I will watch that. However, Parker Posey seemed like she thought she was in a Mad TV sketch or something. I kind of don't know what she was doing.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:08 AM

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:19 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 21 May 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one. This movie just didn't appeal to me aesthetically or in its plot, music, or even the comedy. I actually think Rachael Leigh Cook is an underrated actress who just kind of got lost after she became a "Teen" sensation in this era of movies, so seeing her starring in something was fun. But the music though just reminded me of the Avril Lavigne-brand of pop punk that still irks me like fish hooks scraping my ear drums. So for me, seeing a satire of Du Jour as a prefabricated boy band, then presenting the Pussycats as "real," genuine musicians with integrity to be manipulated by Evil Executives seemed pretty disingenuous from the get-go.

But Alan Cumming as a smarmy, suited villain chewing scenery? I will watch that. However, Parker Posey seemed like she thought she was in a Mad TV sketch or something. I kind of don't know what she was doing.

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Jk in all honesty I do understand why this doesn't hit with certain people. Especially since I was 11 when this came out and was exactly the person this movie was targeted to. My best friend at the time and I both dressed up as Melody for Halloween that year and I owned not just one but two pairs of cat headbands (one was the legit ones they wear and the other the heavily marketed one you could get at Target after the movie came out). So to say I ate this shit up is an understatement. But even as an adult I love this for it's subtle comedy moments that I didn't get as a kid.

While I understand what you mean about Avril Lavinge like music, I still think we need to look at this through the 2001 pop-punk lens so I think it's a little unfair to say that just because this was music made for a movie and some may not have enjoyed the sound that it is less genuine than the music of DuJour. Also, we have to look at it through the lens of the story where these three girls are working their asses off, writing their own music, and have songs that they like, and in that sense they are more genuine no matter what kind of music they are playing. Obviously I still want to defend this really bad because even in 2018 I have a lot of these songs on my rotation (Pretend to Be Nice is a god damn jam and I will not hear otherwise) and to be honest I think this just comes down to musical preference more than anything.

Alan Cumming is legit the winner of this movie, but I think Parker leaning into the ridiculousness of it is actually perfect. If she wasn't acting like she was in a sketch I don't think I would have liked her performance as much as I do.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 21 May 2018 - 07:19 AM, said:

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING HERE Y'ALL

Jk in all honesty I do understand why this doesn't hit with certain people. Especially since I was 11 when this came out and was exactly the person this movie was targeted to. My best friend at the time and I both dressed up as Melody for Halloween that year and I owned not just one but two pairs of cat headbands (one was the legit ones they wear and the other the heavily marketed one you could get at Target after the movie came out). So to say I ate this shit up is an understatement. But even as an adult I love this for it's subtle comedy moments that I didn't get as a kid.

While I understand what you mean about Avril Lavinge like music, I still think we need to look at this through the 2001 pop-punk lens so I think it's a little unfair to say that just because this was music made for a movie and some may not have enjoyed the sound that it is less genuine than the music of DuJour. Also, we have to look at it through the lens of the story where these three girls are working their asses off, writing their own music, and have songs that they like, and in that sense they are more genuine no matter what kind of music they are playing. Obviously I still want to defend this really bad because even in 2018 I have a lot of these songs on my rotation (Pretend to Be Nice is a god damn jam and I will not hear otherwise) and to be honest I think this just comes down to musical preference more than anything.

Alan Cumming is legit the winner of this movie, but I think Parker leaning into the ridiculousness of it is actually perfect. If she wasn't acting like she was in a sketch I don't think I would have liked her performance as much as I do.

All of this (except I saw this in my late 20s years after out came out).

Putting this in context, this movie predates Avril Lavigne. This is around the time bands like Blink 182 were at their peak. Say what you want about pop punk bands because I'm extremely not a fan of the genre. I'm sure manufactured pop punk exists but I wouldn't argue a band like Blink 182 (because I'm having trouble naming another pop punk band) is inauthentic. At least not in the same sense that boy bands are.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:34 AM

This movie came out when I was in college and had nothing but time, so I would see literally anything. I'd go down to the local multiplex and see whatever was playing next, then hop over to whatever started soonest after that ended.

I didn't expect much after hopping into Josie and the Pussycats, so I was also very surprised to find the movie enjoyable. I dug the music (if you just don't like pop-punk, okay, but I think it's good pop-punk), and the humor was shockingly trenchant for a movie done in this style. I do think a lot of critics were thrown off by the surface style: the "look" of the movie conditions you to think it's going to be something desperately earnest (like Bratz), but functionally it's a straight-up satire of consumerism.

Some have brought up the question of whether or not they should have used real company logos. I think it doesn't land as well if the movie has fake ads for fake companies, especially they way they do it here, plastering gigantic logos over everything. They're counting on the "twist" of seeing something familiar in a ridiculous context; if it's not familiar, you don't get the same laugh of recognition.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:37 AM

View Postgrudlian., on 21 May 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

All of this (except I saw this in my late 20s years after out came out).

Putting this in context, this movie predates Avril Lavigne. This is around the time bands like Blink 182 were at their peak. Say what you want about pop punk bands because I'm extremely not a fan of the genre. I wouldn't argue a band like Blink 182 is inauthentic. At least not in the same sense that boy bands are.

Yeah, also I think the market was starved for female centric bands that weren't solely pop. Obviously there were indie bands at the time and other female led bands left over from the 90s, but none of them were really getting as much air time as their pop counterparts. For example - I know Sleater-Kinney released an album in 2002 but that wasn't getting any plays, even on the rock stations, here in Dallas at the time. It wasn't really until 2004 or 2005 that I genuinely remember female led rock bands getting airtime. I believe it was even around that time that No Doubt's music style changed from alternative rock to pop-punk so it shows a lot more about the era than I think anything else.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:39 AM

As I was watching this movie I couldn't help think about how very 2001 it is. Like the casting was dead on. You have Brekin Meyer and Donald Faison from Clueless, Brekin Meyer and Paul Costanzo from Road Trip, Seth Green and Alexder Martin of Can't Hardly Wait, Rachel Leigh Cook from She's All That, and Tara Reid from American Pie. It's like they took a who's who of late 90s teen comedies and cast them all. Heck you could even argue Alan Cummings was in Spice World around that time as well. I found it very nostalgic. I wonder if ten years from now that's how will we feel when we look back and see all the Apatow regulars together in something. I guess every generation has their core teen comedy actors.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:41 AM

View PostCameron H., on 21 May 2018 - 06:55 AM, said:

I totally get that. I mean, I love Captain Ron. I shouldn’t, but I do. ;)

I'll defend Captain Ron with you.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:42 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 21 May 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

I actually think Rachael Leigh Cook is an underrated actress who just kind of got lost after she became a "Teen" sensation in this era of movies, so seeing her starring in something was fun.


When she turned 'evil' for like a scene, I really wished she had played a villain in some movie during that time. I believe (and I could be wrong) she was always the 'girl-next-door' type in her movies, but she clearly could have played darker. She's one of those actresses I always like but kind of forget about.

View Postgrudlian., on 21 May 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

All of this (except I saw this in my late 20s years after out came out).


I was a freshman in high school - I was the perfect age for this. Also, this movie brought back a lot of fashion memories - the obscene amount of glitter, the half/banana style shirts, those eye gem things Josie's wears, I'm pretty sure I unsuccessfully attempted all of them at some point. Even the leopard print in pink/blue/purple I remember being a thing for a while. I wonder which came first.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:01 AM

View PostSaraK, on 21 May 2018 - 07:42 AM, said:

I was a freshman in high school - I was the perfect age for this. Also, this movie brought back a lot of fashion memories - the obscene amount of glitter, the half/banana style shirts, those eye gem things Josie's wears, I'm pretty sure I unsuccessfully attempted all of them at some point. Even the leopard print in pink/blue/purple I remember being a thing for a while. I wonder which came first.


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:07 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 21 May 2018 - 06:02 AM, said:

I also thought all the ads were paid for, but I also thought you legitimately couldn't use any products in TV or movies if there wasn't some kind of agreement. Why else would there be so many things where people use a computer with a pear on it rather than an apple. So I always figured that McDonald's and Target were in on this action from the get go... and now I'm wondering if there was any backlash for it by the companies. It certainly doesn't paint corporations in a great light since they all seem part of the problem.


There’s the reason that sometimes they need to obtain licensing to show a product, which costs money, so it’s a way to bypass that. But also, sometimes its because the show/movie doesn’t want to give free advertising to a product.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:08 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 21 May 2018 - 08:01 AM, said:

Does anyone remember dELiA*s?

I used to collect the catalogs simply because they would put legit poetry at the bottom of every page. Made me feel super deep when I would quote fucking dELiA*s and no one else would get it.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:15 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 21 May 2018 - 07:37 AM, said:

Yeah, also I think the market was starved for female centric bands that weren't solely pop. Obviously there were indie bands at the time and other female led bands left over from the 90s, but none of them were really getting as much air time as their pop counterparts. For example - I know Sleater-Kinney released an album in 2002 but that wasn't getting any plays, even on the rock stations, here in Dallas at the time. It wasn't really until 2004 or 2005 that I genuinely remember female led rock bands getting airtime. I believe it was even around that time that No Doubt's music style changed from alternative rock to pop-punk so it shows a lot more about the era than I think anything else.


They got the singer from Letters to Cleo to sing as "Josie" in the movie, which seems pretty legit to me. I'm sure Ben Wyatt would agree!

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:16 AM

View Postsycasey 2.0, on 21 May 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:


They got the singer from Letters to Cleo to sing as "Josie" in the movie, which seems pretty legit to me. I'm sure Ben Wyatt would agree!

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Omg no wonder the songs reminded me of Letter to Cleo. I can’t believe I never knew that.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:17 AM

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Does anyone remember dELiA*s?

I used to work at dELiA*s Brothers, AKA Big Boy.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:33 AM

View PostQuasar Sniffer, on 21 May 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

But the music though just reminded me of the Avril Lavigne-brand of pop punk that still irks me like fish hooks scraping my ear drums. So for me, seeing a satire of Du Jour as a prefabricated boy band, then presenting the Pussycats as "real," genuine musicians with integrity to be manipulated by Evil Executives seemed pretty disingenuous from the get-go.


I agree. I actually like pop-punk, but not all pop punk is created equal, y’know?

You have bands like The Mr T Experience, Screeching Weasel, and Pansy Division - who were kind of underground - you have your Green Days and Blink 182s - who were inspired by those bands, came up from the underground, and became commercially successful - and you have your bands that existed *because* of Green Day and Blink 182s success. I’m talking bands like, SR-71, New Found Glory, and Lit. It’s not that they’re “bad” or “fake” exactly, but more that they were formed to capitalize on the pop-punk fad.

Josie definitely falls into the SR-71 group. It’s overly produced pap, that’s, at best, pretend edgy. Of course, that’s kind of perfect for this type of movie, but it’s also puts it out of reach of something I’m interested in.

This is going to take two posts, but this is kind of what I’m talking about:




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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:34 AM




Chilly: I'm telling you, man, if we had management, we'd be riding around in limousines, wearing leather pants, and buying condos. Can I eat this roast beef?
Body Rock (1984)

Seb: Maybe you just liked me when I was on my ass 'cause it made you feel better about yourself.
La La Land (2016)

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Chilly: I'm telling you, man, if we had management, we'd be riding around in limousines, wearing leather pants, and buying condos. Can I eat this roast beef?
Body Rock (1984)

Seb: Maybe you just liked me when I was on my ass 'cause it made you feel better about yourself.
La La Land (2016)