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    I don't know what you took as a shrug to Mean Girls (though possibly I don't know what you mean by "shrug"). I took the "reconsideration" of Mean Girls to be used the same way as Amy does with Clueless and the back to school genre as a whole - doesn't get a lot of critical acclaim (well, critically well received/enjoyed, but not critically valued as high art or what-have-you), maybe we should reconsider that/etc. Listing The 400 Blows next to it gives the impression that it needs reconsideration the same way. And generally speaking, I don't think The 400 Blows is in want of critical respect (in terms of best of lists). Like, I'm wasn't arguing the movie selection, just your choice of phrasing because it made what you were trying to convey unclear and confusing to me.
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    This does lead into the point of a framing where this shift of structure does make sense, and is not entirely unwelcomed. So, from one angle, I have felt that framing the movies as whether they belong on some list often distracts from talking about the movie itself. Another aspect is a point someone brought up during The Searchers, which is, one downside of lists like these is it sometimes makes it seem like what some of these movies were doing was singular. The phrase, I believe they said was, there was a series of "semi-woke westerns" made around that era, including a few from John Ford. So, picking a few movies at a time that are affected by or are even directly in conversation with each other does seem like a useful framing to get "perspective" of where something might belong. There's at least two ways to go about that, either vaguely similar movies over decades to see how things change from time to time or a number from a similar point of time to break down differences and similarities of what people were concerned with at that point. This list looks more like the former. At the moment, I don't have a strong opinion on that. And then the last component, let's say they should do another list that includes more international films - they just spent 2 years going through one list. That can feel a bit much as a project to do again. If they were to do something like the Sight & Sound poll/list, they've already done 26 of the movies from doing the AFI list. As they do these smaller groupings, if they work some movies from such a list, which would be expected, (such as The 400 Blows), then when they do get to doing a list again, the number of films on that list are reduced, so less of a commitment. Granted, as they do start to vary on some of these themes, I would expect I might feel even less of a need to follow every single movie than what I was already currently failing to do. Just my initial 2 cents.
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    It would be funny if at some point they listed Breathless, but meant the American remake with Richard Gere though.
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    "Re-consideration" for The 400 Blows? Um, that is Truffaut's debut film and one of the movies that kicked off the French New Wave. And on the BFI Sight & Sound polls, for the 2012, it landed at 39 on the critic's poll and 13th on the director's poll (people give more credence to the critic's poll). It's generally pretty well acclaimed (and yes, there's at least one Simpson's clip of it - and if my recollection is correct at least a second one that is a visual homage in the episode where Bart played hookie). Unless you meant reconsideration that it doesn't deserve that acclaim. (Ftr, I'm not as big on the French New Wave as other people and it's been 20 years since I saw this one, but seeing it next to Mean Girls for "needing reconsideration"... like I said, unless you meant in the other direction...)
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    I didn't catch if it's purely Back to School or just general coming of age. Because not back to school, but coming of age would include something like The Bicycle Thieves or Valerie and Her Week of Wonders (I'll just assume now that Grudlian has seen the latter and doesn't like it). It's been so long that I don't recall where Amarcord falls. More recently We are the Best! was delightful. And I've seen Coppola's Rumblefish but not The Outsiders (both are probably redundant with Rebel without a Cause though). ETA: though a little bit younger in terms of coming of age stuff, Miyazaki did a good number of coming of age films (though it'd probably make sense to save that for an animation series).
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    I guess it depends on the framing. It sounded like the pivot away from doing the list still sounded like, "what we'd like to put on the list." Which then is a, "what list?," because as of right now, it sounds like "replacement for the AFI top 100 list," which gets back to grudlian's point of, kind of weird to talk about foreign films for the AFI list, since the AFI list is, well, it is what it is. I suppose there is a framing that makes the progression make sense*, but at the moment, it still feels like it highlights the flaw in the original conceit of using the AFI list as the marker (too restrictive, too American-centric). *: In terms of progression it might make sense to work up to a more international list, such as The Sight & Sound (or the top 100 from TSPDT) in something like a hypothetical season 3 (or if they're doing the Sight & Sound list, the season timed with the expected 2022 update).
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    Casablanca

    Short answer - no. In something like ItMfL, the dynamic is just so different. Restless (as referred to in the opening credits) is one way they're separated. And in Casablanca, it's all pretty much overtly stated and acted out. The only thing they really had in common was the sense of, "this was just the wrong time and place for us. maybe in a different world," aspect. But even that's lands different, tonally. So, I have nothing to contribute off the top of my head for comparison to other, more contemporary movies.
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    Just trying to bang out a top 50... unordered within tiers: top 10 1-10 (attempted to order - ordering became unreliable after the second movie.) 2001: A Space Odyssey Citizen Kane Apocalypse Now Dr. Strangelove Taxi Driver Raging Bull The Godfather The Godfather Part II Sunset Boulevard Nashville favorite/definitely 11-17 Casablanca Psycho All About Eve Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The Wild Bunch The Apartment Blade Runner almost certainly 18-22 Vertigo On the Waterfront A Streetcar Named Desire Duck Soup Do the Right Thing probably 23-36 Singin' in the Rain The Searchers Chinatown To Kill a Mockingbird One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Annie Hall The Best Years of Our Lives The Deer Hunter Jaws All the President's Men Modern Times Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans The French Connection The Last Picture Show maybe --37-50 (have to split between top 50 and not top 50) Double Indemnity High Noon The Treasure of the Sierra Madre Midnight Cowboy Rear Window The Bridge on the River Kwai Network A Clockwork Orange The Shawshank Redemption Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Bringing Up Baby 12 Angry Men Pulp Fiction 50. The General The Silence of the Lambs It's a Wonderful Life Some Like It Hot Mr. Smith Goes to Washington Shane American Graffiti probably not Lawrence of Arabia City Lights The Graduate E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial The Maltese Falcon King Kong Bonnie and Clyde The Philadelphia Story It Happened One Night MASH North by Northwest The Gold Rush Unforgiven In the Heat of the Night Spartacus The Sixth Sense Goodfellas no Schindler's List Star Wars Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring West Side Story Rocky The African Queen Raiders of the Lost Ark Tootsie Forrest Gump A Night at the Opera Platoon Swing Time Sophie's Choice Yankee Doodle Dandy Toy Story haven't seen Gone with the Wind The Wizard of Oz The Grapes of Wrath (technically, I saw this 20 years ago. need a revisit) Intolerance Sullivan's Travels Cabaret Easy Rider no or very little interest in seeing The Sound of Music Saving Private Ryan Titanic Ben-Hur ------------------------------------------------- Funny how The Deer Hunter still managed to end in probably despite not being nearly as big on in it for the rewatch. I guess I was kind of underwhelmed with a lot of the other movies, and I could probably watch DeNiro and Walken chew scenery all day.
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    Well, we're about two years away from getting another BFI Sight & Sound list, which certainly isn't as influenced by films winning Oscars.
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    Barbara Loden's Wanda has been getting a revival of recognition recently. It's in the category of Cassavetes in terms of tone - though I prefer Cassavetes. Shirley Clarke's The Connection is also an odd, little film, possibly worth checking out (maybe depending on who you are) - though of we're just talking worth checking out, we can also expand to documentaries like her film, A Portrait of Jason (whose point eluded me when I watched, but left me feeling like I missed the transition/cues of what I was supposed to be paying attention to). Elaine May was mentioned earlier - if you want large studio comedy, her and Penny Marshall seem like your best bets for pre-2000. From May, I've seen A New Leaf and Mikey and Nicky. A New Leaf is what you'd expect (enjoyable!). Mikey and Nicky is what you'd expect from an independent film starring Cassavetes and Faulk - but as a dry comedy. In terms of possible Blacksploitation films (the ones actually made by African Americans). I've actually only seen some of the more obscure ones and haven't seen the well known ones. The one I'm really curious about is Superfly. I did see Ganja & Hess. You definitely feel how rushed it was, but the cinematically interesting parts have stuck with me, so I do have the desire to see it again now, which is usually a good quality for film, IMO. If we expanded to world cinema, Varda and Ackerman were the big names out of the French new wave. But if we're expanding to world cinema, that alters the dynamic of people of color since you now include countries where people of color aren't in the minority, so you'll get more choices (Japan becomes an easy country to pluck great movies from. And Satyajit Ray's early career alone from India yields more great movies from a person of color than what's currently on the AFI list (I've seen about 6 of his films and I could see myself arguing 5 of those are better than the majority of what's on the AFI list). Can't say I know much else about Indian cinema otherwise (other than, there's a lot of it).
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    This is no hard and fast rule, only a guideline/suggestion for consideration. Really the only requirement was to be on the ballot (and even then a person could write in 5 movies). For deciding the ballot they wanted movies that were "considered good," so it's not surprise that winning an award would satisfy that criteria. But they also listed as a bullet point (paraphrasing) "or received critical praise in enough notable media circulation." The people who put together the ballot overlapped pretty heavily with people who felt the Academy's short term opinion (i.e. the Oscar's), matter a lot. So, those heavily influenced what got put on the ballot. I suspect there's something on the ballot that didn't have any notable Oscar nominations.
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    How many other Charles Burnett films have people seen besides Killer of Sheep? I caught up with To Sleep with Anger last year on criterion. Worth checking out. Probably not something that'd jump to mind for these type of lists, but, these type of lists aren't exhaustive of things worth checking out.
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    In terms of LGBTQ representation, it'd be hysterically great to see Pink Flamingos on the type of list the AFI produces.
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    Casablanca

    I had taken his meaning that those specific, "no one can question them" papers, to the point that a German occupied French colony could no longer arrest a man they know they wanted and who was parading around under his real name - those papers don't exist. The extent of which, I don't know, does the film explain why the German officer doesn't just arrest Lazlo the second he meets him at Rick's? (I got 40 minutes in last night before something came up). I'm not familiar with how the rule of law was working in such circumstances at that time. I think you hear of the importance of transit papers in that period of time partially when 1. Right before Germany invaded a country and people were trying to get out before they got there or 2. Their dissidence or was more incognito in some way (or they were traveling under a false name). ETA: disclaimer, I'm not a history major, nor is my knowledge of transit papers from a comprehensive, historical source. e.g. news articles such as https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/how-a-disobedient-diplomat-saved-jews-in-ww2/ar-BB15AcV5 And/or maybe re-inforced by contemporary fictionalizations such as the movie, Transit.
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    Casablanca

    I got a copy of Casablanca, but haven't rewatched it yet. Thinking of comparing it to something like In the Mood for Love or Happy Together when I do get to it. Not sure if that thought of comparisons is helpful - admittedly, I don't think I've seen Casablanca in over 20 years, so I might not be remembering a lot of the details.
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    Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

    So, there's a Western Noir selection on Criterion right now, and most of those were the 50's, I think. I suspect the studio complaining about it not being John Wayne-sy might be one of those, opinions of studio execs on what they think is the safest mode for a western (to generate a box office). For the buddy trope, I guess I don't really know either the buddy genre or the western genre that well (particularly from before this era), but I thought the whole sidekick trope was basically a buddy. In terms of paling around, I thought that was stuff like playing the guitar and singing a song. But, that's more me thinking of tropes that I don't know if I've ever really seen in a movie (mostly because I'm not that interested in those movies, I think). ETA: googling buddy Western, I did get results from before Butch Cassidy, but, one of them was A Few Dollars More. I mean, they worked together, but I don't recall LVC and Clint Eastwood really being buddies, so I don't know about those results.
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    Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

    Probably. Though Leonard Cohen's The Stranger did work a lot more seamlessly when it was used in a Western.
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    Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

    I didn't rewatch for this episode, but my memory of the posse chasing them was basically, they were portrayed as mythically competent to the point of being inhuman. Following myths around usually undermine the vibe of the silent adversary. At least, I think John Carpenter commented on the silent nature of Yule Brenner's character when he came up with Michael Myers for Halloween.
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    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-extremists-new-slang-term-for-a-coming-civil-war /Disclaimer - linking without reading. Pretty sure they contain what I've heard.
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    The word itself isn't inherently bad, but the white supremist group who killed some cops during the BLM protests as part of a plan to start a race war - that operation (or, I think it's supposed to be their code-word for their long standing, overall goal) got named after that sequel (at least AFAIK). Bonkers, right? Anyhow, I was just guessing it's probably a little too soon to be casually doing reference jokes to it right now. A less extreme form of Archer had its spy agency named ISIS.
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    Jaws

    On the subject Spielberg's and lists, I'd be fine without any Spielberg, though I don't think that'd be too big of a shock. The burn about Spielberg not knowing how to write real people and how they'd respond, but rather characters from a 50's serial and how they'd act seems like it got more accurate with each passing movie - though ironically(?) I think Jaws is the movie of his I've seen that is free from it most (though I'd need to revisit Close Encounters of the Third Kind). I will say I still think Jaws is at least a good movie and one I'd gladly rewatch - as opposed to any other one on the list (so, let's just say, I'm a "no" on Jurassic Park). I'm not surprised there was at one point a scene referencing watching Moby Dick - when revisiting Jaws in October, I remembered thinking the whole shooting the shark with barrels with the idea of trailing it/tiring it out, only to have the target grock the boat is it's enemy, and thus attacks it - pretty sure that's in Moby Dick. But it's been close to a decade since I've read it, so maybe I'm misremembering it. Quint's clearly going Ahab at the end, obsessed with the shark, dooming them all. If you keep in mind Hooper was originally slated to die, I think, then you'd also have had the lone survivor of a sunken boat, paddling back to shore on a peace of the sunken boat (well, I think it was a coffin in MD, I guess it wasn't perfect).
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    I guess they'll want to rename that boogaloo part now, with the white supremist trying to start a race war and such.
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    It Happened One Night

    I happened across this movie one night on a streaming service about two years ago (so, definitely not when I was in Marienbad), and roughly when I started listening to this podcast. Knowing it would eventually be on watched for the podcast, I turned it on. I remember enjoying it. But outside of her jumping out of the boat in the beginning and the scene of the male protagonist turning down the money, I don't remember much. Something that crossed my mind when watching Shane. Some of these movies are better when not considered on a list of "100 greatest movies," but more of "here's a list of movies that we think are worth watching" or maybe someone's personal "here's my list of 100 favorite movies," (though that's not what this is). Granted, saying that is like saying, "sometimes it's better to not really think about the source material" for adaptation - good idea, but impossible to do. Granted, based on my experience with this list (or even the older romantic comedies on the BFI list - I'm thinking L'Atlantale), I think I'm just not into romantic comedies overall.
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    Shane

    I should be getting a chance to watch Shane this weekend, so I can't weigh-in too much on it specifically, but I guess I'll continue to beat the drum that Altman's McCabe & Mrs Miller is the movie I consider to be the best anti-western I've seen. On the topic of how anti-western Shane is and how much of it is based on how tried and true the formula was, IDK. Maybe. But The Oxbow Incident came out a decade before (though I don't know how well known that one is). On the other hand, I'm sure there are morally complex superhero movies that have been made, people did seem to lose it for Logan and (having not seen it), the director did say he was basically trying to remake Shane as a superhero movie. That might be our best reference point for evaluating how Shane was perceived. There's also the other possibility is there's anti-westerns for people who aren't particularly big on the genre and then there's anti-westerns for those who like the general formula of westerns - in the sense the latter is still mostly an entry in the formulaic genre, but introduces some type of complexity (e.g. questioning the impact or basic premises of the genre at points) elevating it (having not seen Logan or Black Panther, it is the thing I wonder about them and their reception). Just a thought that crossed my mind during this discussion. I think I brought up similar points when they did The Searchers as well. I did finally catch up with A Place in the Sun a few months ago though, and it is indeed great.
  25. I don't have Netflix. So I probably won't be seeing this until the end of the year when I will temporarily resubscribe to Netflix and catch up on the Netflix productions I've missed and want to see.
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