Thank you so much for this podcast. I had phish fans as roommates for many years, and a band I didn't care for became one that I absolutely hated. It didn't seem to matter how much I wasn't into it, they felt if they just kept playing it one day it would click. As it's been pointed out by Scott and others in this forum, the vocals are a big turnoff. It really does sound like children's music to me, he might as well be singing "The Wheels on the Bus". I understand that the live shows are part of the appeal, not just going to them but listening to the recordings. I've had to listen to way too many conversations about Phish shows, what versions are better, what covers they did, what "teasers" they threw in, and on and on. I get the appeal of that if you're into the band, but it was always explained to me as if that significance would make me like them more. Sometimes you just have to realize that the things you like are not for everybody, there are a lot of people out there that don't like this band. Why do Phish fans think that we can be converted? And I've been to a show, I didn't do drugs but I wish I had because I was so fucking bored.