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    The problem with dogs licking peanut butter off balls (hard to believe the things we debate on the interwebs), I used the example of a six-year old being expected to sign a lease. Even if you qualify that the dog has no societal scrutiny or shame, the human party still does and brings that burden into the relationship. Since the dog cannot fully understand the full terms and potential meaning of the agreement (societal ideals and taboos that a human involvement adds) it's unfair and potentially exploitative. Deliberately or involuntary, information is withheld from one party.

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    Ah, but I present the example of developmentally challenged or brain damaged people. We can't grant dignity only to the rational and those who we expect to reach rationality because that would allow the abuse of permanently mentally incapacitated people.

     

    Also, the expectation of rationality is a flawed argument, it's Aristotelian teleology. Basically, an acorn will grow into a tree but an acorn is not a tree. You are putting effect before cause which forsakes most scientific reasoning. This argument is also used in the personhood; because a fetus will one day be a rational being, it is afforded certain rights.

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    Alex your argument comparing animals to human children, with all due respect, is complete and utter bullshit. Please allow me to list things we do to animals that we don't do to children, that by your logic shouldn't be allowed since animals can't give consent regardless if it hurts them or not.

     

    I agree with you that there are murky lines in Natural Rights for animals and it has recently led me to believe that killing animals is immoral. So I admit cognitive dissonance because I do eat meat. I think the main argument allowing for animals to be killed is a Natural Law argument or maybe Devine Command, descendant from biblical ideals; we either have a natural prominence over animals because of survival of the fittest or because god told Adam so. Survival of the fittest is void by the social contract and religious ethics shouldn't be impressed onto others.

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    Also, Gemberling has the Relativist ideology of a first-year college student; this fuels his entire "open-minded" morality. I won't elaborate too much about the fallacy of this world view but basically the argument unravels upon its own reasoning. It alleges that since morality is a social construct, it's fabricated and arbitrary. Relativists claim ultimate objectivity yet at the same time decide what is moral and what is not. Gemberling dismisses his detractors as wrong and mucked by societal taboos but if he truly followed this world view he would take a more agnostic approach to ethics.

     

    Gemberling defended bestiality as a "rich cultural tradition" using social examples of Colombian donkey fucking and asian vaginal eels while at the same time declaring that morality based on social examples is bullshit and contrived. Relativism is ultimately very subjective and self-righteous; by using it to negate an opponent's argument you negate your own.

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    HILARIOUS episode but Gemberling is fucking depraved. He's funny, but he's kinda a sick fuck. I think he's been so insulated by his own opinion and defending it that he's gotten a degree of aloofness and cognitive dissonance. He hesitated, deflected and qualified Besser's question about reporting a neighbor's bestiality.

     

    The debater didn't come with strong stances or knowledge of ethical principles. The best way to show a flawed argument is to extend its perimeters to generally accepted taboos. So I will use pedophilia. Dogs have intelligence on par with 2-3 year old children, children at this age are controlled by impulses, unimpeded by cultural taboos. Like the dog, they don't have constructs of shame or high levels of cognition. Would it be okay to have sex with a child or any being simply because it doesn't have developed ego/superegos? You would say no because although children are primarily focused on receiving pleasure (being held by parents and other instant gratification), some pleasures are potentially traumatizing.

     

    Animals aren't as dumb and unaware as people think, regardless of whether an animal enjoys sex is unrelated because it can permanently traumatize them - I've seen many stories of horses, dogs and gorillas who grow a Pavlovian response after long-term sexual abuse. They often turn their butts towards any visitors, all they know is sex and they've developed a terribly dependency and fear of it. A variation of the argument of "well if the animals enjoy it, who cares?" is used by rapists, some guys who have been raped become hard despite displeasure - it's a subconscious reaction. But you are permanently fucking up someone's relation to sex, and using them as an ends to a means as Kant would say.

     

    The biggest reason the bestiality taboo exists is because animals will never be able to fully consent; it's like expecting a six year old to sign a lease. They won't fully understand the terms and extent of the relationship; the communication barrier will always prevent that.

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    Well I understand what that guy's saying, sometimes Scott can get stuck on a particular bit for a little too long. Like when every episode had the anti-comedy contest of Alive or Dead or Hollywood Facts. But if you don't like something the show will eventually evolve and find new things to be obsessed with. I've listened since the start of the podcast and there are very few bits that perpetually stick; maybe everyone fast-forwarding to plugs. I appreciate the Scott's experimentation and it's not always gonna work for everybody all the time. So have some patience and enjoy the show!

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    Sark is such an amazing storyteller. I never thought I'd want to start a D&D game but god I need to convince my friends how cool it is.

     

    Also, Gerry is such a breath of fresh air to the podcast, how could Sark kill off the best player twice? I love how committed he is to his unique characters. I hoe El Ryan is by chance still alive so Sir Dick can have an awkward encounter. Also, I need a FOR GLENNISH-MOORE shirt.

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    Fantastic! The most refreshing podcasts out there, I've loved every episode. The bridge was fantastic and I find myself wishing they chose the hip hop genre every just so Daly can spit some rhymes.

     

    Also, why hasn't PFT guested? He's better than Adele. Also, WEIRD AL??

    Plus howabout Daly and Galifinakis writing a Red Hot Chili Peppers slash fiction track?

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    Like this:

     

     

     

    Then listen to a different podcast!

    Honestly think it's fair criticism. It takes a while to get hosting down, I remember even in the early days of CDR Radio Scott Aukerman got critiques about stepping over his guests and he's since reigned it in. Garlin's personality is his personality and it can be abrasive at times and charming at others but he does have a problem of occasionally stepping over his guests, even he's admitted this.

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    Peeps are projecting alot on Giancarlo, I really liked this episode. I don't need technically sound improv always, and Howard has amazing chemistry with Giancarlo. I laughed more in this ep than I have at a podcast in awhile. Would I like to hang out with Giancarlo a lot? Probably not. But he's very charismatic and he obviously cares about Howard and his career, he's a good friend, seems like a good guy just very bombastic. I like to hear different personalities on Who Charted, not just stuff appealing directly at us comedy nerds, take me out of my comfort zone!

     

    Side note: I'd love to hear Bill Burr on a Who Charted

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  22. Posted

    I was walking through the mall listening to this and I couldn't help but laugh out loud like a mad man during the New No No's. I kept stopping and trying to restrain myself but that was just hilarious it was really aided by how nice Paul Rust seems that he has trouble complaining about anything, the new no-no about the weedwacker was brilliant.

     

    Every Womp Up The Jamz episode is a classic, PLEASE MAKE IT A PODCAST ST. CLAIR!

    And Paul Rust needs to co-host an episode of Gelmania!

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