Episode 166 - Timecop: LIVE!

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

Did anybody clock the influence this movie had on Steven Spielberg's Minority Report -- specifically, the scene where Tom Cruise, alone in his apartment, is drinking and watching (holographic) videos of his dead son and speaking his own lines in the recorded conversation?

I want to say that it's happened a lot in other movies, but I'm struggling to come up with an older example at the moment. As far as that trope is concerned though, it made me think that if you were filming ANYTHING with your family in it back then, they were pretty much fucked, because the only time you ever see anyone watching these videos back is in cases JUST like this, where a wife and/or kid has been killed. No one's ever watching them for fun, not that they're fun things to watch anyway. I film weddings on the side, and holy shit, talk about a waste of money...

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

I just got to the part where they're talking about actor/activist Ron Silva's gross mouth sounds, where Paul says he probably just brought his craft service stuff into the scene, and that reminded me of how I've seen movies and shows that I've worked on where the character has a coffee cup or something that DID just come from catering. If there's a scene in an office or a police station or something, you'll see them all over the place.

[DanEngler 5249]

I want to say that it's happened a lot in other movies, but I'm struggling to come up with an older example at the moment. As far as that trope is concerned though, it made me think that if you were filming ANYTHING with your family in it back then, they were pretty much fucked, because the only time you ever see anyone watching these videos back is in cases JUST like this, where a wife and/or kid has been killed.

I just watched all of Twin Peaks in preparation for the new series, and there's

during the second season (1990) where Ben Horne goes on a bender and watches old home movies of his family breaking ground on the Great Northern Hotel. Then again, nothing died except his future business prospects.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

I just watched all of Twin Peaks in preparation for the new series, and there's

during the second season (1990) where Ben Horne goes on a bender and watches old home movies of his family breaking ground on the Great Northern Hotel. Then again, nothing died except his future business prospects.

Maybe these videos just exist so that they can be watched ironically at a later date then? "I've never once wanted to watch the video of me making the big game-winning play in the state football championship, but now that I've had my legs destroyed in a horrific car accident, I can't think of a better way to take my mind off of things!".

[JammerLea 2070]

I remembered you can browse through past changes on wikis.

 

[Peter Destructo 70]

I guess I'm the only one who laughed out loud at JCVD ducking that semi truck after re-emerging in 1994 the second time. *shrug*

 

The problem of 2004 JCVD meeting his nine-year-old son for the first time could have been avoided just by having him die in the 1994 climax of the movie. Not only would this make for somewhat less flawed logic, but it would add much-needed gravitas to the film (can't remember if this movie was released during award season).

[DanEngler 5249]

I usually dread the audience participation segment of live shows (thanks to dudes asking dumb questions and trying to one-up the professional comedians) but the people of Austin killed it.*

 

My working theory is that all of Largo's seating is technically considered a balcony due to some arcane building code, and the entire LA audience is therefore balcony people. Gross.

 

* After editing out the guy taylor anne mentioned in the last thread

[Elektra Boogaloo 3371]

I remembered you can browse through past changes on wikis.

 

Guys, I think we should all agree now that changing his headstone is going too far.

 

Probably.

[Cam Bert 8145]

Now that the whole pressing issue of time travel and timelines has been sorted out I want to talk about the dastardly roller blade bandit!

 

So JCVD is a cop right? Granted he's off duty when he's on a mall date with his wife in the beginning but he's still a police officer. So when he witnesses a robbery in the mall his sense of well being and duty kick in and he stops the roller blade bandit. Now, he's off duty so he can't arrest him but there are multiple witnesses and he's in possession of the stolen goods. There has been an unbroken line of visual contact between the people in the mall the time the roller blade bandit. This is ripe for a citizen's arrest but instead JVCD, a trained police officer, let's him go basically if he returns the the stolen purse. What a terrible cop! This guy is on roller blades the optimum way to travel speedily in 1994. Who's to say that after returning that purse he's not going to try it again in a different mall or a different part of the same mall? Also maybe that's not the first time he's done it that day. JVCD seemingly doesn't care about any of this. Later in the film when JVCD goes back to the mall and sees the roller blade bandit he's so angry that he throws him into the Ruffles stand for what he was going to do. So when he stops the roller blade bandit for actually stealing a purse he lets him go and thinks nothing of it, but then when he sees him minding his own business in the past he roughs him up?

[AdrianFlynn 68]

Why the hell they didnt talk about the virtual sex scene and the i must be on broadway line

[pscudese 701]

Why the hell they didnt talk about the virtual sex scene and the i must be on broadway line

 

Not sure about broadway line but they totally discussed the virtual sex scene

[JammerLea 2070]

Guys, I think we should all agree now that changing his headstone is going too far.

 

Probably.

Yeah, they went through and changed the whoooooooole wiki article, including the section about his passing. orz

 

 

 

ALL RIGHT I MADE A CALL TO PAULASK DESPITE MY PHONE ANXIETY. I KNOW I MESSED UP SOME. MY HEART IS POUNDING. I'M GOING TO GO DIE NOW GOOD NIGHT.

[RyanSz 3140]

A Couple Questions:

 

In regards to Actor/Activist Ron Silver's plan to get money for his campaign, why not just go the Biff Tannen route and place a bunch of bets on various sporting events? I would think it's an easier to explain being a good gambler/having a great streak of luck rather than being the dude who got all of his money by owning majority shares of companies that crapped out in the Depression only to come back even better? I think a lot more heads would turn if Actor/Activist Silver's revealed to have gotten his billions by basically out-Rockefeller'ed Rockefeller than if having his various underlings win big on sports bets and place the money in a bank account.

 

Also, if JCVD knew Actor/Activist Silver was the bad guy, why not go from Timecop to Timepunisher and waste him before he gets any modicum of power? That way Silver is not trying to fuck with the timestream and JCVD doesn't have to worry about bad dudes coming from the future to kill his wife.

 

Possible Explanation:

 

As for not knowing anything about his kid, this has been brought up about the Back to the Future Timeline, namely the end of the first movie where Marty comes back and his family is now well off and amazing. He has no knowledge of this family and they have no knowledge of the family he knew so the theory is that he would basically have a mental breakdown and be institutionalized because his family would think he went off the deep end. I can't remember who from the film said it but basically Marty's original memories would be melted away or mended with the new Marty memories in order to avoid a paradox in the timestream, so the same might be said for this film to where JCVD eventually gets the memories of the version of himself from the new timestream.

 

Also, there is VR Porn, but it's basically like what studios will do with movies when they retroactively add 3D to a movie that didn't have it by making it seem like there is depth to the image that you are looking at, albeit it's from a first person POV for porn.

 

Sincerely,

 

Librarian/Movie Lover Ryan Sz

[Cam Bert 8145]

Also in case you haven't seen this here's the music video for the closing credits song "Time Won't Let Me" featuring a shirtless JVCD rocking a harmonica.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljyt_45I6nw

[IMAHUGEHDTGMFAN 1837]

ALL RIGHT I MADE A CALL TO PAULASK DESPITE MY PHONE ANXIETY. I KNOW I MESSED UP SOME. MY HEART IS POUNDING. I'M GOING TO GO DIE NOW GOOD NIGHT.

 

PERFECTLY NORMAL REACTION

[Jollygreen52 57]

When JCVD and his new partner get in the time machine to go back to 1994, they say something about how if it doesn't work, they will hit the wall at the end of the track and die. This is a government operation with a huge budget. Why couldn't they make the track the time vehicle is on a little longer? Maybe install some brakes as a failsafe in case the time jump doesn't work. Instead they just cross their fingers and hope it works? Seems like an avoidable problem.

[grudlian. 4725]

I usually dread the audience participation segment of live shows (thanks to dudes asking dumb questions and trying to one-up the professional comedians) but the people of Austin killed it.*

 

* After editing out the guy taylor anne mentioned in the last thread

 

I really hope that guy told everyone he knows that he got to ask a question and would be in the episode. Then he's listening today and thinking "huh...I thought I was before that Donald Trump question. I must be next" until he realizes he was cut out when they go to second opinions.

 

His friends are asking where he was in the episode and what he asked. He explains his story was about masturbating to Mia Sara. His friends explain that's a weird thing to talk about publicly and there's probably a reason he was removed. He's disappointed but maybe learned a valuable lesson.

[EvRobert 1684]

chiming in here just to say

 

THE ACTOR/ACTIVISTS STUDIO!

 

Ron Silver "Silva"

 

dear god I love this community

 

That is all...for now

[EternalSammich 167]

Also in case you haven't seen this here's the music video for the closing credits song "Time Won't Let Me" featuring a shirtless JVCD rocking a harmonica.

 

He's wearing a vest, but I appreciate this post. I also appreciate that this video is almost a refresher on the film. JCVD is doing the splits over the counter and dodging that truck!!

[firsttimecallerlongtimelistenr 3590]

Guys, I think we should all agree now that changing his headstone is going too far.

 

Probably.

i had photoshop open and ready to go and i said "NO!!! ... that's too far .... isn't it? ... yes it is ... but is it though? ... yes it is!!!"

 

the little angel on my shoulder won this time. just about though

[firsttimecallerlongtimelistenr 3590]

Also in case you haven't seen this here's the music video for the closing credits song "Time Won't Let Me" featuring a shirtless JVCD rocking a harmonica.

 

i had no idea there was a video for it let alone something as awful as that ... i burst out laughing when it kicked in over the credits. it's like a theme song for a 90's sitcom. it's about as far from the tone of the film as you can get. it would be like at the end of Se7en and ...

 

edit: i was going to try and make something like this but no need cause someone else did it already and better than i ever could

 

!!!!MAJOR SPOILERS IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SEVEN!!!!

 

SKIP TO ABOUT 4:20 MARK

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDOTfrupVUs

[paultab 225]

I want to say that it's happened a lot in other movies, but I'm struggling to come up with an older example at the moment. As far as that trope is concerned though, it made me think that if you were filming ANYTHING with your family in it back then, they were pretty much fucked, because the only time you ever see anyone watching these videos back is in cases JUST like this, where a wife and/or kid has been killed. No one's ever watching them for fun, not that they're fun things to watch anyway. I film weddings on the side, and holy shit, talk about a waste of money...

 

The only other instance I can think of is "Starman," when Jenny Hayden is drinking and watching old films of Scott, but I don't remember off-hand whether she was speaking her part. If the confluence of drinking, watching old home movies of dead people, and speaking one's own lines in the conversation is a trope, there should be a supercut somewhere to show us how fictional technology has evolved this process.

[AbeFroman 70]

Speaking of Hyams/Van Damme jams, I highly recommend the two most recent "Universal Soldier" movies, "Regeneration" and "Day of Reckoning", which are directed by JOHN Hyams, the son of director Peter Hyams. They were essentially straight-to-video/VOD movies (at least here in the States) that look WAY better than they should.... The action is pretty sick and it looks like a Bourne movie. In "Day of Reckoning", JCVD has gone rogue and is more of a background character, leading a cult of sleeper UniSols, and it's up to Scott Adkins (whose family may or may not have been murdered by JCVD) to find him and put him down. It's sort of like "Apocalypse Now", but plays out like a conspiracy thriller/horror movie, while also featuring some sick, sick action. High recommends!

 

Agreed 100%. The most recent Universal Soldier films are shockingly awesome. I hope John Hyams gets mainstream recognition and the budgets he deserves as he is one of the best action directors working today.

 

Speaking of great DTV Van Damme, he made another film with Peter Hyams a few years ago called Enemies Closer that is a tight, well crafted little thriller. Van Damme is the villain and he chews scenery like crazy. It's the polar opposite of the stoic pretty boy he plays in Timecop.

 

 

In short, Van Damme should only work with directors who last name is Hyams. And of course, John Woo.

[Madrigal Marco 22]

Okay so if you guys don't know me I really love puzzles and something about the convenience of this Trump-Timecop coincidence seemed too convenient.

 

Hear. Me. Out. I think JCVD is giving us an invitation to the next Kumite. See my attached solving notes for proof. They work out to say "Bath, United Kingdom. Save the date. JCVD"

 

This can only mean one thing. Bloodsport 3: Blood Bath

[JammerLea 2070]

Okay, let me point out something else I had in my notes to get my mind off my sad phone call.

 

After JCVD finds his wife's blood vial in the hospital, he returns to Rueben's room to say he's going to get her out of there. Rueben is unresponsive, to which JCVD turns her head over and she's obviously dead as her heart monitor flatlines immediately. This is due to the baddies poisoning her IV. Did anyone else find this to seem a bit off? Like I don't doubt that she would die, but shouldn't the heart monitor show signs of some sort of irregular heartbeat before flatlining?? It's perfectly normal until JCVD touches her face!