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That's Raph's character in the comics, too. He's like, "Fuck you guys. I'm gonna kick it with Casey Jones and do vigilante shit" a lot. But, the comics set Leo up as the leader much better, and they use that as a source of tension between Raph and Leo. But it's interesting, because I wouldn't have really noticed this until someone like you, who wasn't familiar with the Turtles, pointed it out. I think, like Emptyeye said, they were banking on everyone who saw the movie at the time being familiar with the Turtles. So along with glossing past their origin story, they didn't feel like they needed to set up the dynamic between the Turtles. And 10-year-old me didn't even question it because I'd already heard this every Saturday for four years: Even the theme song of the cartoon sets up their dynamic, but for the movie, they just said, "Fuck it. They know."

As someone that wears shorts and flip-flops nearly everywhere he goes (including to my office), if I'm going to a live show like this, I can put on some fucking pants and real shoes. (Didn't PFT talk about something eerily similar on Spontaneanation last week with Colin Hanks?) Leo's basically the leader in all incarnations of the Turtles. However, Raph butts heads with him frequently. I could get, though, how you could get the impression in the movies that Raph might be the leader. Leo does less leading (especially in the second movie) and more kissing Splinter's ass.

The first 3 Ninjas is still a decent kids' movie. I watched it a few years back, and it holds up well enough. Any of the three sequels, though, are totally fair game for HDTGM (the last one has Hulk Hogan in it...just sayin').

Maybe he wasn't killing the baby mutant animal-people. Maybe after the movie, he started a whole race of them and set himself up as their father after moving to an island where he could live with them. All until David Fucking Thewlis came along and ruined everything...

He's also the only voice actor that was also an in-suit performer. The other three in-suit performers had cameos in the first movie, too. Leo and Donny are either Foot members or just random thugs (can't remember which) and Mikey was a pizza delivery guy. Kevin Eastman (co-creator of the Turtles) is also supposed to have a cameo in the first movie, but I can't remember where.

This has basically become my all-time favorite thread. Nintendo has actually referred to him both as a dinosaur and as a dragon throughout Yoshi's history. In SMW, they refer to him as a dinosaur, but in the original Japanese version, the sign outside his house says "Super Dragon Yoshi." That led to him collecting Dragon Coins (and his Final Smash in Super Smash Bros being called the Super Dragon). So, short answer: I think both are correct.

So did I. I think everyone has had that book or movie where they just kept holding out thinking it would redeem itself and then realized, like Paul, that you could have stopped reading/watching at any time and you really have no one to blame but yourself.

We could have a protracted discussion about how Donatello is actually an important Renaissance artist because he was one of the first pioneers of the contrapposto revival. But I'd need a picture of Paige Turco's cameltoe first.

Coming back to this again, that would lead to an interesting set of nicknames. There'd be Leo, Raph, Mikey, and....Bernie?

But....but....Donatello does machines!

This is somewhat similar to a thought I had while watching the movie, but I wasn't really sure how to phrase it. Basically, there are two ideas here. The first is that it felt like they wrote a bunch of really bad one-liners that (as you pointed out) often don't make sense. Then they decided to write a fight scene around those. So there's all these gags in the opening sequence that just don't make a lot of sense. A lot of these things sound like jokes or seem like they should be gags, like the weird rocking clown thing that Donny imitates. I feel like they had a bunch of half-ideas but never really thought about how to make them work as full gags. The other part of it is something I also felt while watching a recent sequel to 90s dinosaur movie. Basically, I feel like they made a checklist of stuff that happened in the first movie and then just tried to emulate parts of that without really understanding why those parts actually worked. So there are some humorous fight scenes in the first one, but the jokes at least make sense. In this one, they were just like, "Fuck it. That sounds jokey. Kids will eat that shit up." I wonder if the production schedule was interfered with re-writes and such. I mean, these movies did come out almost exactly a year apart.. I couldn't find any filming dates, but I imagine they started shooting just a few months after the first one came out. So unless they had a script just sitting and ready to go, they probably just threw this shit together.

You magnificent bastard.

So do most of the rest of us that post here. But we're considerate enough of the others who post here to actually read what they have to say. And even if you couldn't feign that sort of politeness, you could have used the search feature quite easily to find out that there had been seven posts before yours that mentioned Daredevil (it's in the top right of the page). Or you could have looked at the page directly ahead of the one where you posted and used the find feature in your browser. It literally would have taken 30 seconds either way.

Man, you've got it out for Donny, don't you? I know. I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Two people on this page did the opposite of what you did, so I was genuinely saying thank you!

I'm listening again while I'm at work and had a few other comments: About Tokka/Rahzar vs Bebop/Rocksteady - This actually came down to licensing/legal clearance. Basically, they were able to use any characters that had first appeared in the comics because Mirage and Eastman/Laird had the sole rights to those characters. Bebop and Rocksteady were created for the toy line and then worked into the cartoon, so there was this whole legal question of who had the rights. Was it Playmates since the characters originated as action figures in their line? Was it Murakami-Wolf-Swenson, who developed the show (because the action figures were supposed to be extensions of the show)? Instead of fighting over all those legal hurdles, they made these shitty knockoffs. I'm pretty sure Tokka started off as an alternate version of Slash, but I can't find anything to corroborate that at the moment. Also, Paul said the tour was called "Out of Their Shells" multiple times, when it's actually called "Coming Out of Their Shells." I know, I'm being a pedantic nerd at this point, but it's worth pointing out. And for anyone that hasn't seen the honest trailer yet, it's worth checking out:

"I don't know what those are called - those little harps that angels in cartoons play. Harplets?" It's called a lyre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyre

The Simpsons started as shorts on the Tracey Ullman Show in 1987. "Cowabunga" was used in those shorts, which were a few months earlier than the TMNT cartoon, which started in December of that year. However, as I mentioned in my previous post about this, it didn't become Bart's catchphrase until Simpsons merchandise with the word "Cowabunga, man" on it started selling well. Definitely agree. I have a spot in my notes that says, "I don't give a shit. 'A little too Raph' is still fucking funny." Btw, thanks for reading through the thread before making your first post and not posting something we've already covered several times

You would be if you had read the thread...

I agree. I was totally looking forward to her in this episode, but she was even better than I could have hoped. The part during the Q&A where she was like, "I feel like I am with a man like that" is probably my new favorite HDTGM moment.

This kid has the right reaction:

BTTF2 is still amazing. Ghostbusters 2 is total garbage. I thought Pally talking about the accent was funny, but not just because it was "edgy" or whatever. The context is what made it great. He was talking about the pretty racist accent that Splinter had for the whole movie. It's on par with Peter Sellers' character in Murder by Death. The whole point of his character was to make fun of the character Charlie Chan (which was usually played by white dudes with horrible accents). I can at least understand why people would find "pachy" offensive in places where "Paki" is a common epithet. It's not common in the US, which is why it was probably ignored by the US-based production. I don't find it offensive, but if I was a person of Pakistani descent who had had that term thrown it me repeatedly, it might rub me the wrong way as well. (But there were far worse things in JW than that term)

This was recorded over a month ago, so Heynongman wasn't a thing yet. He wasn't asked not to return; he wasn't able to be in the film because he was in rehab. And speaking of voices, Kevin Clash (aka - Elmo) does the horribly racist Splinter voice in both the first and second TMNT movies. I know the guy with the best question in the world was just joking around about the voice of Tokka and Rahzar, but the voice actor there was actually none other than Frank Welker. If you're not familiar with him, I won't even bother trying to tell you where you probably know him from. Go look at his IMDb page. You know him from basically everything.

Yep. I had a really long post about this in the minisode thread, so I won't repeat all of it here, but basically, it was from Howdy Doody, but then it was picked up by surfers in the 60s. When making the TMNT cartoon, David Wise saw an image from the 60s of Snoopy riding a surfboard saying "Cowabunga!" and that turned into Mikey's catchphrase. But the audience was right; The Simpsons did use it before TMNT (albeit by only a couple of months). However, it didn't turn into Bart's catchphrase until several seasons in, because initially, "Don't have a cow, man" and "Eat my shorts" were his main catchphrases. Here are my corrections/omissions/random-ass thoughts: Why does Keno even go into the mall in the first place? There's literally no reason for him to go in. What are the pantyhose clad thieves even stealing? It's not like it's electronics or anything. It's just totally random packages. When we see Shredder after he comes back, one of the first things we see him do is sharpen his helmet. Why? Wouldn't it make way more sense to sharpen, like, the fucking claws on his hand? When the TGRI people are at the "contaminated area" (where April interviews the scientist dude), two guys exit the roped off area, and the dude that Shredder planted on April's crew walks RIGHT past them as they are walking out. Neither of them says shit to him. The weapons have been talked about quite a bit, but the one that really baffled me was the fight at the TGRI lab or whatever. Not only does Leo keep his katanas on his back the entire fight that he never uses, but he also inexplicably has two batons that he fights with for the entire scene. The part with Keno in April's apartment was basically just a shitty version of a similar scene in the first movie where April's boss comes to her apartment, and the Turtles have to hide from him. This scene is baffling all the way around. When Keno walks in, Mikey sighs SUPER audibly. And again, the Turtles are awful ninjas. They can't even hide so that someone can't find them within about 15 seconds. Then when Keno sees them, four human-sized anthropomorphic turtles are totally cool. Splinter on the other hand, causes him to faint. Keno's reaction shots: remember in the Hercules in New York episode when someone (either Paul or Jason; can't remember which) said they wouldn't have been surprised to see Pretzie rubbing his eyes in disbelief? Keno totally does this exact response in the very first scene. Then in April's apartment, his faint was so overblown and ridiculous. At one point, April (I think) says something about "slime." And Raph yells, "IT WASN'T SLIME! IT WAS OOZE!" Those are synonyms, you dumb motherfucker. During Keno's final test to get into the Foot clan, he has to remove all the bells without making a sound. The dude literally tells him, "One sound and you fail." For the next 5 seconds, we just hear loud "whoosh" sounds. Do those not fucking count? In the episode, they mentioned the Bogart impressions and the fedora. I feel like it's worth pointing out a couple of things with this. First, Mikey did Cagney impressions in the first movie, so I think (like everything else in this movie), they decided to do something similar, but then turn it up to 11. Second, in pretty much every version of the Turtles, they were a trenchcoat with the collar up with a fedora whenever they have to go out in public. I guess they thought this would equal hilarity when combined with a Casablanca line. Also, I almost started cheering in my office when Pally pointed out the ponytail club owner. That is one of my all-time favorite trope from 80s and early 90s movies.

So did his fellow member of The State, Ben Garant. Here's a clip of the two of them talking about it (it's kind of depressing, though):

Absolutely agree. I brought this up in the minisode thread, and I rewatched the documentary a couple nights ago. I wish they'd have covered a bit more recent stuff, but as it is, they covered most of the really big Turtles explosion from the 80s and 90s.