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I could have sworn they already had a Blazing Saddles episode ...
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Blood Simple vs No Country for Old Men
groovy-guy replied to BrandonKendall's topic in Movie Suggestions
wrt ranking Coens: i'm still blown away by how gosh darn good Inside Llewyn Davis is, it immediately became my favorite Coen picture after something like a lifetime of watching and loving their films ... a masterpiece reflection on the world of the artist, struggling with themselves to see if they have ' what it takes ' .. artistic success as governed by almost as much luck as talent or authenticity. that dylan in the end comes from the same unassuming place as llewyn nails the whole thing home. it's like the Coens' trying to work out how they ever got so lucky to be directors for a living. -
I don't love any of the three, but off the top of my head I'd go Deer Hunter
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not sure why anyone would want to shit on Kiarostami but i like the suggestion... seems like a movie Devin would love
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having recently rewatched harmony korine's TRASH HUMPERS i think there is an (indulgent) argument for its canonicity that goes something like [retro format], [guerrilla production], [gothic americana], [people humping trash]
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had to be TWBB, though the discussion really got me riled up about Boogie Nights in the first half I have to sort of disagree with Devin on the core of TWBB though, I have never seen the film as a look at the exploitation of Capitalism and Religion of the little guys by the big dudes, that's too ... what? It's too broad, too obvious even. That TWBB's characters are exploiters is almost established by nature, glossed over, seldom returned to, Plainview skeezes people out of their money, Eli makes everything Church the highest priority behind the pretense of selflessness. This is all in the early Little Boston scenes. To me TWBB is about the futile pursuits of power, of the unending quest for resolution in The American Dream, whether it be by Daniel's through competition or Eli's through salvation. What is key in Plainview's character is how he deviates from the capitalist pig archetype - Plainview doesn't know indulgence. We never see him partying, gorging, fucking, drinking in any context of fun, relaxing, even revelling in his wealth Scrooge McDuck style. Plainview only knows the hunt and the promise of something better at the end. He drags himself out of the ground, from his animalistic past through the ranks of society, and for what? He fights with an almost supernatural rage against an abstract system and comes out alone and lost, he has expanded all his efforts and found no enlightenment. Somehow the part of the last act that always makes me feel the worst for Daniel is that stupid fucking dog he has in his house. You just cannot picture Daniel giving a shit about dogs, let alone a prissy rich people dog like that. He has tried it all. Not even fulfilling the caricature of a 1920's oil baron can save him. It's only Daniel's vengeance on Eli that gives him a sense of resolution, as if some kind of replacement for his broken family ties with his son, resolution with a brother. Who knows, maybe I am just won over by something in Daniel Day Lewis' performance, but I have always found Daniel Plainview immensely sympathetic - the scene with Henry in the brothel is maybe the most quietly heart rending in the whole film - despite the cruelty he does and the cruelty he is. TWBB is a film about the essential lack of core in the American rat race, and I can't help feeling like Daniel's just another victim of the empty pursuit.
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TWBB's opening act is genius, and I think that dread you feel would be present whether the soundtrack were or not. The setting of a stage, introducing us to Daniel Plainview as the primordial man, almost an ape man, the narrative tensions in this act are so immediate, so simplistic, the very opposite of the abstractions of business that follow, Daniel and his crew might be the hunter gatherers of our ancestors ... the dread comes not only from seeing humanity at its most basic, flesh and bone - the emphasis on the physical in the opening is unignorable - but also the displacement the viewer feels at being dropped into a movie so immediately, at having such visceral conflict at the start of what seemed to be a rise and fall of the industry film, at seeing this bizarre sun blasted desert, something almost extra-terrestrial about it ... it parallels 2001's Dawn of Man, and its a parallel that is bookened by Daniel's bowling pin beatdown at the end of the film resembling the ape's discovery of the bone as a weapon .. not sure i made a coherent point there...
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There Will Be Blood is hands down PTA's opus, the Great American Film if there ever was one. The myth of rugged individualism in the land of the free. Daniel Plainview has to be one of the most nuanced and sympathetic portrayals of the Mad Randian ever put to film, more Ahab than Gordon Gekko. Hoping Danny boy gets a fair trial and isn't written off solely as a face for the corrupting powers of Greed and the evils of Capitalism. w/r/t Boogie Nights: goddamn if that Jesse's Girl scene ain't amazing
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I love this film, but I'm totally with Amy on this, it kind of kills me but I gotta go no
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Tying into the "perverted cartoons" discussion at the end of the KIKI episode, I nominate Terry Zwiggof's CRUMB
groovy-guy replied to Pooka's topic in Movie Suggestions
I love this documentary, Crumb is every bit as great a subject as he is an artist Idon't know if Devin or Amy have ever expressed interest in R Crumb but if one or both are into his work I think it could be a great episode .. maybe a hard argument for film canonicity but fuck it -
he's the only filmmaker i know of with his entire filmography on TSPDT's top 1000 films list, and deservedly so. if we're pitching only one to the canon i have to go with The Mirror. the most abstract, the most personal, (papa tarkovsky's poetry ties the film together) the most moving, the most Tarkovsky as both filmmaker and man, a loose autobiography, the story of a nation, and the universal story of man. the mirror captures the haziness of memory so well it has me more nostalgic for Alexei's youth than my own ... and it brings one to such a peaceful state of mind .. you open with the contrast of beauty and a sorrow - muted just beneath the surface as the mother gazes out into the field - you get the deep wounds of family and the frivolity of chance interaction with a stranger, and on Anatoli Solonitsyn the doctor's way back to the road, that wind that comes, the stop and wait for it, man that can't be planned, that's life unfolding in the moment, jsut like the doctor meeting the mother ... and them by the time the mirror finishes it feels like you've seen a life, some of the events might not make immediate sense, it's a melding of dream and memory and poetry, but it comes together to create a whole, a life, and by the end when life comes full circle in the field where the film began i have come to terms with death for the remainder of the night (the lebowski does this too) he really had to fight for that one, mosfilm thought he'd lost it. (the soviets sure didn't luck out with manageable filmmakers) i am curious how much tarkovsky's original cut differed from what we got today. stalker is dope though... that's my runner up tarkovsky nomination. such an obvious trick as the whole Wizard of Oz switch to color thing works such a fascinating effect in the film, paired with the unbearable anticipation for The Zone, the lush scenery, dead silences, and mystical properties- it creates something of a very real texture to The Zone, a tangible atmosphere, it feels lighter than air in there, you can finally breathe after all the muck and gloom of the police state, but there's no less tension than the city had -, meatgrinders and disembodied voices, much harder to see than rifles being trained on you - but some how it all seems like fate here, there is a noble spirituality to it all, nobody wants to be gunned down in a trainyard, but if the zone's traps claim me, so be it ... i love Stalker falling to his knees in the tall grass and feeling The Zone's earth, he gets crawled on by a bug, i always remember that, just giving himself to the zone, that kind of thing sticks with you ... anyways, i'm just rambling, i'm with you on the suggestion
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Andy Warhol's Chelsea Girls you can make the canon argument for its basically being a precursor to both reality TV and mumblecore, as example of the 60's underground film, as document of the 60's art culture, as an early attempt at interactive film in its projection of two different scenes simultaneously forcing the viewer to pick one or the other making for a unique viewing experience every time - and lastly as an Andy Warhol film that's actually pretty damn good
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great piece of cult cinema with its ghoul world both an elegant use of film language and an iconic and culturally significant metaphor. Amy raised an interesting point with the mass shooting angle though, and I wish they'd gone further into discussion with that. how effective is They Live's political commentary when 'the answer' equates to shooting a bunch of people who don't look like you because you and you alone have the insider knowledge THEY ARE AGAINST YOU? in today's landscape a film about a guy 'taking matters into his own hands' with a campaign of selective genocide - well it looks a little uglier anyways, They Live still gets my hell yes vote for the canon
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i getchu man, sorry if i came across a little curt. Marvel is definetely doing more with its filmic 'universe' than Tarantino is with his oblique interconnections and references, but what that is seems to me mostly extratextual and more in the realm of marketing than filmmaking. the Toho daikaiju example is probably closest to what MCU is doing - that is, the loosely defined universe of Godzilla and co. movies by a number of different directors and movies that range from full cast brawls to movies focusing on individual monsters. these movies were as you probably know, majorly successful, majorly influential, and majorly sending studios scrambling to replicate them (ultraman?) thing is, i don't really see how this affects the filmmaking, in the case of any individual film, intertextual reference is like i said nothin new, even if MCU is doing it in a bolder way than folks have before - so the real significance of the MCU looks more to me like marketing than filmmaking. now if this expanded universe thing really takes off maybe the MCU will become to the trend what El Topo or The Rocky Horror Picture Show are to the midnight movie ... but for now ...? if my bias isn't showing i'm also not in love with superhero films or the MCU