Sorry, I could not finish this episode. I'm sure the dude was very interesting, but, listening to him.....say three....words........at a time......while......hiking......and trying to breath.......was so dis.....jointed, I could not handle it. It was like talking to someone on the phone while they are eating. If people can't have a clear conversation due to hiking, eating or being in the wind, maybe, you should call them another time. lots of love....j