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COOL COOL COOL I'll have a pick up shortly, I just want to make sure that it's streaming

Hey hey hey, sorry busy day yesterday and I didn't get the chance to check on this board after the AM. If it's still my pick I can make the pick I have a couple in mind

in last week's mini ep, when Paul said Sean Penn and Madonna, I somehow heard Sean YOUNG and Madonna and watched this thinking it was going to be some sort of Some Like It Hot/Road To with Madonna and Sean Young that just fell to the wayside because it's a WTF movie. Imagine my disappointment in expecting a beautiful 1986 Sean Young and getting Sean Penn...

we've kind of being doing that since around the time someone choose Baby Driver. I mean off and on I'm actually all for this

I'm torn on this too. I think Edward Woodward plays it straighter than Nic Cage does, but the whole set up in the original may be more bonkers

It's got a pretty solid mid 90s soundtrack though, I think we could count it

I legit don't remember the last time I saw Clueless. I watched it. I owned it on VHS, but I don't remember the last time I actually WATCHED Clueless. I may be in for a rewatch soon

oh I forgot about the whole getting their license thing

It has been forever since I've seen Clueless, but isn't Josh going into Law School or just completed his first year of Law School? he's got to be at least 21, right? But then I assumed Cher was 18 and a Senior in High School so it wasn't THAT weird to me. The age thing never bothered me, I grew up hearing stories about how my folks had a 4 or 5 year age difference but the "former step sibling" was always a bit strange to me as well.

Nikki Reed looks SO uncomfortable (kind of the same expressions I made watching parts of thirteen...like wtf is this)

well there goes any chance of me ever sleeping again

from the Wiki article on Twilight Some wild sources here, some I see, some I don't

Man, I'm drawing on some knowledge that I haven't thought about in awhile, but IIRC, Stephanie Meyers did state that (at least) Twilight and New Moon were based on Romeo and Juliet and Pride and Prejudice, so I think an argument can and has been made that these stories are problematic. I know we discussed at length the issues with R&J in the West Side Story thread on Unspooled. And I don't see anyone HERE arguing that Edward is problematic but Mr D'Arcy isn't. I've also seen quite a bit of a movement in the last couple of years about how Beauty and the Beast is a problematic story as well (also a Twilight connection with Bill Condon). So I think by saying that Character B is problematic his counterpart in Character A is also problematic and possibly his counterpart in Character C is problematic. Lots of people argue that Christian Grey from 50 Shades is a problematic character, but if he is, we have to look at his source material, which is Edward Cullen AND Mr D'Arcy and Romeo.

Thank you for correcting me about Bella's mom and dad, I literally couldn't remember (but I literally remember nothing about her parents). I'm not sure what else I can add to this discussion that hasn't already been said better and by those more affected by these books than me. I read the books once (and frankly I thought they should have ended at the third one (New Moon?) which I thought ended in a perfectly fine way and made for a nice conclusion. From a movie making point of view, I do think that the movies got more "serious" and more and more funny (but less intentionally so), but I think is the fault of the filmmakers. I do think it is interesting that only one of the films (the first one) had a female director at the helm (I think we've talked about Catherine Hardwicke's career on this board before) . What else, I think, is interesting to note is that this extends not just to the twilight films. None of the Hunger Games were directed by women, none of the Divergent movies were directed by women, despite those stories being about female protagonists and written by female authors.

I also think it's easy to pick on the TWILIGHT books because, well they're not poorly written but they will never be mistaken fro great literature or have a timelessness that other books would have. That's not Stephanie Meyer's fault and that's not to unfairly criticize or malign her.There just isn't a lasting quality there. There's a lot of worse YA fiction that made worse movies and worse books (don't get me started on Christopher Paloni and the Eragorn series). Other works of literature and movies and art can have a lasting impression, if there are better made. the problem is that is sometimes harder to spot the problematic elements in better written/better produced work because, at least for me personally, I get caught up in the craft and the art. As a theater person and a film person, there is a lot I love about David Mamet because I get caught up in the craft of his work, and as a result I find it hard to look at his more problematic elements, as far as his worldview and him as a person. i've gotten better at it as he has become more and more of a toxic person. But god damn if the man can't write.

I'm not saying that she shouldn't have written from her POV or her upbringing, but we should still call it out when it's problematic. Like, I love me The Chronicles of Narnia. That was my first exposure to fantasy and allegory and really cool writing and mythology. And most of it is pretty good but book 5 (The Horse and His Boy) is DEEPLY problematic that is only borderline and marginally corrected in book 7, but book 7 also has that horrible revelation that Susan was more concerned with boys and dresses and parties and forgot all about Narnia and didn't get to go back when her siblings all died. Like Lewis is is saying that if you like boys and dresses and parties you don't deserve to go to heaven. And I'm going to call it out. I still love Narnia (and I really love Lewis' Space Trilogy) but that doesn't mean he didn't write from a problematic POV that may have influenced people negatively (thankfully the Narnia neighbors who are problematic in the books never showed up in the films)

One of my brother's ex girlfriends would not go to sleep unless he was on the phone with her. She was a senior in HS. She would get mad if he didn't stay on the phone with her all night. even if they were both asleep. it was weird AF. I know this because my brother and I were sharing a condo at the time.

yeah just talking about this it kind of hit me that it is weirdly problematic (that whole teenage love triangle bit that was popular in YA could fall into this too though TBF, but a lot of those triangles were based on the success of Twilight)

First, I never wanted to be the kid under the stairs, I wanted to be Shipwreck from GI Joe or Han Solo or The Tick (I was a weird kid/teenager, I know). And Cameron, I don't think Stephanie Meyer intended to showcase a toxic relationship nor do I think she intedned Bella to be someone that was emulated, but she did. She wrote what she knew, which was based on a lot of LDS courting and marriage stuff (even more influenced I think once OSC kind of took her under his wing and mentored her and whatnot). For Bella there was only ever Edward and nothing else would do, She does dangerous things throughout the books to try and get his attention and/or prove herself or whatever to get herself turned, including having that damn creepy baby. There is a worldview and a POV throughout the books and movies that I think says that there is only ever one person for someone (IIRC, Bella's father and mother never find a meaningful relationship after their divorce) and you won't ever be happy without that person. There's also a lot of weird purity movement stuff in there about sex and how chaste Edward is even when Bella is throwing herself at him and whatnot. I mean this is just my reading. I also had a whole bit about how, if one was inclined, they could read an incel POV into Jacob, but I was just kind of pulling that out of my ass.

It really is a curious thing to me, I suppose to a degree it could e like when I saw the first (THE FIRST) GI Joe movie. I came out and was like "it reminded me of when I was a kid smashing my GI Joes together!". Maybe there is just something in types of media that reverts us back to a particular moment in our childhood and a longing for such?

I genuinely like Steve Zahn as a comedic actor, so this sounds really good. I'll have to see if I can find it.

@taylorannephoto you said that you were at the right age for the Twilight books when the first one came out, but I've always wondered why people like my friend, who was a mom in her mid 30s or so, why those books connected with so many women their age.

I vaguely remember a fight at the end of the last book, the only reason I read them was I had a friend who was super into the books and told me Icouldn't make fun of them unless I read them. I tried to get her into the Southern Vampire Mysteries (that TRUE BLOOD was based off of) to no avail. I'm not even a fan of Kristen Stewart in these films, I found her dull and boring, it wasn't until Adventureland that I really started to like her as an actress, and then I found one of her early films (the one she did with David Gordon Green and produced by Terrance Malick) that I really liked her. She's still hit and miss for me but at least I know she can act. What really surprises me about these films, is the number of QUALITY directors that they got to direct them.

I worked at a video store in 1995 and saw this on the shelf but I never watched it, Jesus I might have to, this sounds nuts

As a former Arby's asst. manager in my younger days, I can confirm this is all true