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I believe that there will never be a circumstance for you where you think the claims of a POC are "warranted". Like when you gave a harsh resounding negative to the term "Blackie", but then immediately stated all of the circumstances where calling a black kid "Blackie" would be seen as tolerable. I mean, when you write things like that, there isn't really anything that you won't rationalize away.

I listened to that ep and it was good to hear them push back on that. And it wasn't just a passing comment. It was like a good chunk of the interview.

So you're kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth with that statement. You firmly believe that there is no reason for any of the gang to know anything about these actors/actresses. Just because they are in a Perry movie doesn't mean that they do nothing else at all in Hollywood. It's not like they are some sort of movie limbo where they ONLY work for Perry. Shemar Moore was in a Perry movie and he is/was also on Criminal Minds on CBS. By your logic, because he was in the Perry movie, there is absolutely no way the gang would know him from the long-running CBS show. But that's patently not true. Actors are in multiple projects. Just because Sam Jackson is in alot of Taratino movies doesn't mean that he ONLY works with Taratino. But at the same time, you say its weird that I would assume a black guest would be more familiar with the actors than the gang would. But you just told me that there isn't really a good reason why any of them would know any of the actors in the first place because they were in a Perry movie. Why is it an odd assumption that a black person would have some passing knowledge of the players in a movie marketed toward them? It's like if the gang was doing a Bollywood movie and you were upset because someone assumed that a Indian national would have some passing knowledge of Ahmed Khan. And even Paul at one time admitted that just calling the two black actors "the black guy" and "black guy number 2" in the Dungeon Siege ep was reductionist. So, I give him some credit for that, but he didn't take the next step and look at his computer to see the IMDB for their names.

Thanks, Dan for having my back and making sure the conversation keeps going and is not derailed beyond comprehension. I appreciate ya.

Tyler Perry always seems to use the same people aka Taratino and Lance Gross is sort of like his version of Sam Jackson. I think he's an ok actor and he's real handsome, so he could do that leading man type stuff, but he's in the Perry fold.

Why is that every time we have a discussion about the social issues surrounding these bad movies, some ignorant derper comes along and cries "PC!" and compares everyone to children with "hurt" feelings? I have never seen that in any of the threads about Marvel movies vs DC movies, or the threads about the extended Street Fighter universe, or the threads about the best Mortal Kombat game. I mean if even talking about social issues is a waste of time, then all of the previous topics are HUGE waste of times -- Mortal Kombat fans aren't being denied the right to marry; unarmed DC fans aren't being gunned down by police and "neighborhood watchmen". Plus, you don't even have a good grasp on what we're talking about Florida. That's why your comment had the feeling of a canned response that you would hear on conservative talk radio. Kickpuncher, myself and others were talking about the possibilty of having a black guest for this show. Otherwise, it would be a group of white people talking about a movie that isn't really geared toward them at all. And just like when they brought in the Marvel writer and Jon Grembling (sp?) for the Daredevil and Street Fighter eps, it made it a little bit better because you had the perspective of someone who is more familiar with the source material than the gang. There insights were valuable. This could be a similar situation. I had an added reason for wanting a black guest because the gang regularly does not name black actors/actresses in the movies they do. They didn't even say Tamara Tunie's name in the Devil's Advocate ep and she's been on SVU for damn near 20 years! The only actors that were not named in the Dungeon Siege ep were the two black actors that played knights...and all of the masked goblin extras. They didn't name the actor who played Jax in Mortal Kombat but did name the actress who played Sonya -- her claim to fame being that shitty movie (though I happen to like it) and being married to Andre Agassi. It's always "the one who..." or "the black guy..." or "Blackie". I didn't think this was going to be funny because the whole podcast would be nothing but "the one who was the husband said..." and "the black guy, who I'll call Blackie, didn't want to fuck in the kitchen..." My hope was that by having a black guest on, someone would point out the actual actor/actress name and maybe even be familiar with other movies they had done before or after. But just like someone from Florida, you couldn't miss an opportunity to scream "PC!" and make Limbaugh proud.

Ya know, I never thought about it from that perspective. A paycheck is a paycheck and if there aren't really any movies in Hollywood written for black actors/actresses, then yeah, it would be shooting yourself in the foot to go on record bashing one of the few acting opportunities you did have. It's probably why the gang has never done any Adam Sandler movies -- and he puts out some bombs (Grown Ups 2, anyone?) -- because they want to have the opportunity for a paycheck, he comes a calling. But I feel that there are some performers who are never gonna really be in the running for a Tyler Perry movie role because what they do is so far from what he does. Hannibal Buress comes to mind. As does Ron Funches. I also don't think Taneisha Long or Nicole Byer would really care about burning that bridge.

I half expected a "libtard" and "Nobama" to be thrown in your rant. And yeah, it figures....Florida.

No, it is true. They said "not Tom Skerritt's" name before giving him is bad-movie nickname. They say "hubcap" and "turkey sub's" name before they give them their bad movie nickname. Compare that to the Dungeon Seige ep where the only characters they don't name are the masked goblin extras and the only two black actors.

They can talk about any movie they feel like. But consistently, they do not remember or even look up the names of black actors in the movies they skewer, even ones who have been in plenty of TV shows and movies. I just don't think its going to be funny because you'll never be sure which "that one" they are talking about, its like a bunch of 2008-era John McCain's when they talk about black actors. So, there is another podcast that makes fun of movies and they look up the actor's/actress' name, and because the hosts look at a shitload of movies, they make jokes referencing other movies the actors have been in. They do this for black and white actors, so its pretty funny. I think someone before mentioned racially insensitive and it comes from the fact that you'll have four white people making fun of a movie that wasn't really marketed to them. In the same vein where they brought on a comic book writer to make fun of the Daredevil movie, Kickpuncher made a point that they could do the same with this movie -- bring in someone black to give another perspective. They would have different jokes to make about the movie that wouldn't come from the rest of regular gang and atleast you would have someone who knows the names of the players in the movie.

You should listen to the Devil's Advocate episode where they don't even say Tamara Tunie's name? She's been on SUV for 15 years at this point and they called her "the one that would be in a yogurt commercial". Now, that same episode they make a point to say the name of the actress who plays the secretary in the film -- an actress is who is not currently on a long-running TV show. So, I do kinda feel that this episode is not gonna be that funny, because everyone in the film -- save for Tyler Perry, if he makes an appearance -- will be called "the one who...."

I bet in Bill O'Reilly's Temple of Racism, he has a basin full of the drool from all of the mouth-breathers that watch his TV show. This is like holy water to Reillyists.

Chaffin spent the last episode she was on calling the lone black kid, "Blackie". Jason thinks that there is a distinction between regular weddings and "black" weddings. They have very little room to stand on calling something bigoted.

They're doing a Tyler Perry movie? Get ready for everyone that is not Tyler Perry to be dubbed "the one" or "the black guy".

I kinda call bullshit on this call. There is always a discussion on what photo to run of a person in regards to a story. I used to work as a reporter and whenever you run art with a story there is discussion about it -- technical and aesthetics and how the photo fits within the story. What I'm saying is that it is a conscious choice to run one photo over another; there is hardly ever a lack of choice. There is also the need to find the "right" photo that drives this shit as well. The "right" photo being whatever the angle the editors want to play up. We had a former county commissioner that was arrested for child abuse. He is slowly starting to make the news again, and the photo that is used is not his mugshot -- it's the portrait he took while in office. The news around here could have used that mugshot photo, but CHOSE not to. Apparently, his mugshot wasn't the "right" photo for the story. With Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown newsrooms across America were not satisfied with the photos provided by the family. That wasn't the "right" photo for their story. The "right" photo was a picture that made them look scary and intimidating because white people in this country are scared of black men, black women and black children. And as long as they didn't have those "scary" photos, they could be accused by Howard Kurtz of not being objective and telling both sides of the story.

When Bill started talking about hitting women, I kinda wished his girlfriend was there to give him shit about that. She sometimes pops in on his Monday Morning podcast and will give him hell for his stupid ideas. But I will give Burr one thing -- he knows he's an idiot. He knows he's been wrong and is wrong on so much shit and says so. You'll never get such candid confessions from Alex Jones.

Southern Beasts of the Wild is not a kid's movie. Abgail Breslin was a young, cute, innocent kid in Little Miss Sunshine, yet the brilliant comedic minds at the Onion didn't write an article where they called her a cunt. It appears that the inspiration happened upon them when the cute, innocent kid was black. Because like I said before, these people think black children and sexual slurs go hand and hand.

No, its not really weird because Apu is not a real person. Apu is a character that was created by a room of writers. They could had him be an alien from Mars if they wanted. It is a valid criticism because many real-life actors of color become frustrated that white script writers fail to show them with love interests or even families. It's the reason why Geordi on Star Trek never got busy, but the damned robot, Data, did. It's the reason why Eddie Murphy's "love interest" in Beverly Hills Cop is a Judge Reinhold. It's the reason why Raj on Big Bang Theory still doesn't have a love interest even though the perv and the tall asshole do. Writers DECIDE on these things; they are not "natural" outgrowths of anything.

It obviously did because she is the one who the joke was directed at. You don't see hipster jokes directed at Jersey Shore types and vice versa.

There were portrayals of Indian people living in America before that, but they were nameless cab drivers in action movies who may say, "that'll be 2.50" to the white protagonist before driving off. Out of the 20+ years that show has been on the air, there are about a handful of episodes that feature Apu in a role that is central to the story, and there is only one episode where you see Apu has family and that is the one where Homer helps him study for the immigration exam. Other than that, he's WAY in the background.

If it was so important for the Onion's "social critique" to call a kid a cunt, then its just as important that we keep talking about it. They're not just telling jokes, man, they're holding a mirror up to society, man. Speaking truth to power like Carlin, man....

It takes real hard work to be as ignorant of the world, and people, as you are.

http://mic.com/articles/88161/rape-threats-are-not-the-way-to-defend-comic-book-misogyny http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/21/female-journalist-gets-rape-threats-over-comic-book-criticism.html

I wish this guest would be a co-host on this show. She's great! All comedians do have off limit boundaries. For example, make a joke about Robin Williams suicide and you'll get them ruffled and in a huff. One of the things I wish you'd touched upon is the "you just don't get the joke" defense that these assholes pull out all the time. The underlying meaning of that is that the audience is just too damned stupid to get the "subtleties" of their rape jokes. Like when the Onion called Quevenzhane Wallis a cunt, to the site's defenders it wasn't that people were upset that you used a sexual slur against A 7-YEAR-OLD, no, it was that they didn't properly "get" the joke -- by calling her cunt, they weren't REALLY calling her cunt, you see. Isn't that funny? No reasonable person would call a child by that name (except for the Onion), isn't that funny? Calling her cunt was making a statement about the celebrity culture that we all live in (what is that statement? Who knows? Something something Kardashians are bad???) and funniest way to do that was by calling this little girl a cunt. Because black children and sexual slurs go hand and hand, its just inherently funny, right? And it is so damned transparent this "you can make fun of us too" bullshit is just that. Just look at the death threats...fucking DEATH THREATS that a female comic fan got for making fun of a comic book cover. Apparently, those are the jokes that cross the line for white guys -- making fun of drawings. But rape? Hey, what's the big deal? Racist jokes? Hey, its ok, all of that is over now. And of course Patton Oswalt is an asshole. Of course, Marc Maron is a racist prick. Comics, especially white ones, were picked on growing up. So to feel better about themselves and their situation, they look to pick on people who are "beneath" them -- and in a society where the white male is looked at as the personification of "ideal" and "normal", that leaves women (of all colors) and people of color as the targets. All of these bastions of "nerd" power -- comics, video games, the internet -- are not welcoming spaces for anyone but other white guys. It's not some hippie commune where there is peace, love and attempts at understanding; its antagonistic at best, dehumanizing at the worst.

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