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Hi everyone! I find this episode fascinating in regards to the reception of the movie! Especially the apparent difference between the reaction of Americans and Non-Americans. I mean I was shocked when I first heard that people see this as a sweet, wholesome movie! It’s of course only anecdotal but most Europeans I talked to seem to think of Forrest Gump as a rather scathing deconstruction of America and the American Dream. With Forrest’s story being a parable showing that the American system is unjust and destructive and the only person who can succeed in this environment is someone who ”ignores” reality and blindly does what the system expects them to do ("following orders"), while everyone else who dares to question the dream gets punished HARD (like Jenny). Success in this movie is based on a combination of luck and a lack of critical thinking. Maybe it’s because there’s already a widespread skepticism regarding what America is and symbolizes and this movie only confirms an already existing negative bias? I don’t know… In any case a truly fascinating episode for me that makes me question how much you yourself bring to the table when looking at a piece of art...

Did I correct this correctly? Edit: I am also open to closing this thread and letting someone who knows what they are doing open the real one... I just felt complled to share my thoughts this time and got overexcited

You are right. The couch jumping was never the problem. His thoughts on depression and suicide and the promotion of scientology - which is a horrible organization .- was what made many people fall out of love with him.

I have seen the Oprah stuff and Cruise CLEARLY jumps onto the couch. How Amy can deny this is baffling to me. And he did tell dangerous nonsense on the Daily Show. And that a year earlier the show would have been blackmailed into not airing the truth is neither a defense nor a good thing. I lover her but all in all I feel Amy has lost a little of her distance there in defending her favorite movie star... ;-)

While Iron Man and The Dark Knight reinvigorated the superhero genre, Marvel's The Avengers is maybe the more important milestone in superhero movies. Never before we thought a team up of superheroes like in the comics was possible on the big screen. Even Marvel was skeptical; the Iron Man post credits scene with Nick Fury talking about The Avengers Initiative was merely an afterthought when they heard about Jackson being interested in appearing. It was all a big gamble. And then in came The Avengers and changed the game forever. Hell yeah, it belongs in the canon.

Couldn't find the movie. Therefore, I abstained from listening and voting.

So we could have gotten Juno vs Little Miss Sunshine? And instead got this pairing? OK, I guess... My vote goes to Juno. It's definitely a Pop Culture Milestone Whiplash just cannot touch!

No, but a point against being able to follow the discussion and make an informed decision

BTW: What happened to the restriction that the movies that are discussed need to be widely available? I mean Sign o' the Times is basically unavailable anywhere

Hmmm? What is the connection between the two movies? I don't really think this is a useful comparison.

Oh god! This has to be the worst episode of The Canon yet. Armond White was unbearable. He seemed in no way interested in having a discussion and hitting the coversational ball back and forth. Any ball Amy was hitting into his court - he just let ... drop. And I don't know if it's because Amy is a woman or if he's that way to everyone, but he was so condecending I almost quit listening halfway through. On a semi-related note: Amy should get Scott Mantz for a La La Land episode! THAT would be a fun battle to listen to and observe. He's such an outspoken fan of La La Land that would be a blast to listen him and Amy duking it out over that movie. Who's with me? ;-)

With the Westworld TV series having come out and the Westworld movie not being available for streaming at the moment I would suggest to just do the best Sergio Leone Western - scratch that - the best Western of all time: Once Upon A Time In The West (which is in fact available at the moment for streaming on Netflix in the US) It's a masterpiece. You can talk about it for hours. It belongs in the canon. Period.

I am feeling a little disappointed by Devin and Amy for basically going the clickbait entertainment route and pitting "The Thing", "ET", "Alien" and "Blade Runner" against each other for the knockout episode - and therefore I wanted to start a thread where we all can post our opinions about this decision - whether we support it or not. To elaborate on my own little opinion: I kind of get that it's difficult to get people excited for an episode like "Cannibal Holocaust" vs "Working Girl" or something like this and it is "more dramatic" this way, but to me it feels mainly like troll baiting and purposefully trying to get people angry "to create a better show" or - more cynical - to get "higher listener numbers". In the end I feel more manipulated this way than entertained which is why I won't be listening to the episode, I won't be calling in and I will abstain from voting. I think Amy and Devin have all the rights in the world to do what they want on their podcast, but that episode won't be fun for me so I will not participate in any way, shape or form. I am inviting anyone to join me in this little naive protest if they want - but in the meantime: Let's discuss! PS: I know there's typos and bad English but English isn't my first language.

As I said before I don't know if the decision is really that easy. On Rotten Tomatoes Out of Sight edges out Jackie Brown slightly and I know many Elmore Leonard fans who greatly prefer Out of Sight. Don't get me wrong I adore Jackie Brown and it's probably the more effortless cool movie but I think Out of Sight is an amazing film as well - maybe the quintessential Soderbergh movie with the non-linear structure, the jump cuts, freeze frames and the color all contributing. It definitely put him back on the map and without Out of Sight I don't know if Clooney's career would have recovered from Batman & Robin and flops like Peacemaker. And I would even say that overall the cast is a smidge better than in Tarantino's caper. But even if you think Jackie Brown would stomp Out of Sight into the ground I would say contrasting the styles of Tarantino and Soderbergh when they are doing basically the same kind of movie with the same kind of characters could make a fascinating listen.

Hey everyone I think a fun vs episode could be "Jackie Brown" against "Out of Sight". I mean picking the one ultimate Ray Nicolette (or Elmore Leaonard) movie for the canon sounds like an interesting spin on the concept. And the movies are both amazing but very different - and fun to talk about. It's kind of interesting how differently Tarantino and Soderbergh adapt source material that is quite similar.

I thought I'd give this another push even if none of those two movies is currently on Netflix in the US...

Hi everyone so my suggestion suggestion for another vs episode would be Beverly Hills Cop (as of Sep 20, 2016 available on Netflix) VS Lethal Weapon (as of Sep 20, 2016 available on Netflix) Both are quintessential 80s LA cop movies / action films and the Canon should have one of those. And even if they are not Oscar candidates they did both make it on the nominations list for the AFI 100.

Easy: - Cannibal Holocaust - Re-Animator I am still upset those made it into the Canon

Hard no. Why? NOTHING HAPPENS IN THIS "MOVIE"!

I am just deeply sad that "Labyrinth" won't make it into the canon.

After recently watching "A Most Wanted Man" and being completely blown away by PSH's performance in it and the near perfect storytelling I was shocked to see that hardly anyone was really talking about that movie when it was released and even afterwards even less so. Therefore, I was thinking: What are some of your "overlooked great movies"? Maybe we can point some more people to those forgotten treasures...

Or "Mean Girls" vs "Clueless"?

I propose pitting the two submarine movies against each other. Both are very different of course but they convey their theme very well and derive a lot of tension out of the premise. And I kind of like the "themed" Versus-Episodes... What do you think? Or are there any other submarine movies that deserve more to be in the canon?

As I already wrote in the homework thread "There Will Be Blood" just didn't click with me. I fully appreaciate the extraordinary directing, acting and cinematography and recognize the artful writing - but I couldn't relate to anything in this movie. It's an amazing accomplishment but for me nothing else. I need a minimum of sympathy for the characters to be interested in a movie, and there's just nothing there for me. Boogie Nights is completely different. While it's also a completely different world the ensemble is just so engaging and "loveable". For me it's therefore not a difficult choice: Boogie Nights - every day of the week. There Will Be Blood belongs in a museum - Boogie Nights belongs in The Canon!

I think this would work extremely well.