Impudent Lackwit

This kinda reflects the experience I had with CLERKS. TEEN ME: "this is so spot on" LATE 20s ME: "Oh my God Randall and Dante are the worst human beings and also this movie is gross" Always kind of wanted to see BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S with a crowd just for seeing the reaction to Mickey Rooney scenes. Stunningly cringeworthy shit in an otherwise OK movie. Soft no, for many of the other reasons mentioned here.

So if there's ever an episode to vote something OUT of the Canon this seems like it'll be back in the running AGAIN. Every podcast episode is just going to be voting in and kicking out RE-ANIMATOR. "Welcome to episode 1,405 of THE CANON... today we'll be discussing if we vote RE-ANIMATOR back *IN* does this preclude us from inducting other Jeffrey Combs films such as THE FRIGHTENERS, HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL, and of course FEARDOTCOM."

Picture the Ride of the Rohirrim, except all the soldiers are slightly chubby and wearing JAWS and HALLOWEEN T-shirts. Some of them have the same beards, though.

This is a very solid proposal. LIFE OF BRIAN wins on quality and intelligence, HOLY GRAIL is a more common cultural touchpoint.

100% he killed the cat. Megan should have left Dan right then and there when he didn't believe her. Daniel..... the TRUE monster of RE-ANIMATOR? I'd posit a solid MAYBE.....

That's a fair analysis, and I am probably being dismissive about the film's thematic elements. I have lost my appetite for very masculine-centric films over the years, even ones I formerly enjoyed. And I mean woo boy, this movie is ALL MAN - the most prominent female character is basically a mother hen with one prominent scene, Jesse's wife is in the background, and Zooey Deschanel gets ONE LINE in the theatrical cut. Of course the film was infamously cut down to 160 minutes from something insane like 4 hours (though this article says that was kind of a myth - http://www.hitfix.com/in-contention/exclusive-andrew-dominik-could-give-you-his-jesse-james-directors-cut-in-half-a-day) and I believe a lot of what was cut was the post-murder aftermath of Ford's life. I'd be interested in seeing that restored.

I had no idea this was going to be such a contentious vote! Has a movie ever tied before? And if so what is the process, because Amy and Devin themselves were split and cannot break a tie.

I loved this when I first saw it, and even managed to see it in the theater which was no easy feat. I've cooled on it substantially since. It's got good imagery and performances but it's definitely overlong and is, in the end, basically a lot of dudebro self-mythologizing. It doesn't really have a lot to SAY other than "Legends, man, amirite?"

THERE WILL BE BLOOD is arguably the best movie of the year for one of the best years for movies EVER. It's a masterpiece. BOOGIE NIGHTS.... Honestly, I'm not sure I really "get" BOOGIE NIGHTS. It's certainly an entertaining film but I feel somewhat ambivalent toward it. Definitely will be an interesting rewatch.

To me, it largely comes down to living in a society that devalues the feminine. To continue the GAME OF THRONES example, nobody has any problem saying "FUCK YEAH BRIENNE!" but I can recall a lot of Sansa hate early in the show's run. Only as of late that she has become more brutal and hard have people been giving her the HBIC label. Girlishness, fashion, traditional femininity, makeup, clothes, liking cute boys, etc. etc. This is all treated as DUMB by society at large so why should men even BOTHER with shit like SEX IN THE CITY or GILMORE GIRLS? It's all dumb crap for girls, right? Especially in the realm of "credible" cinema this creates a nasty feedback loop where only masculine art is seen to have value, ergo only men are capable of creating real art. This is why the glass ceiling often seems hardest to break in nominally "enlightened" circles of society - a lot of the people making the decisions about what is worth people's time and attention don't even realize what they're doing.

Won't be able to listen to the episode until tomorrow but voting YES based solely on the film's merits. Very few horror-comedies feel as timeless as this, and the movie's ability to blend tastelessness with a gripping, propulsive narrative and wonderful performances makes it a sheer joy to watch. Sounds like Amy had some issues with it, which I am very eager to hear. I always appreciate her fresh perspective on films that are regularly, breathlessly, and sometimes undeservedly showered with praise by cinebros. RE-ANIMATOR is still great, though.

This is an excellent and villainous idea.

Like, 80% of all FRIDAY THE 13th movies.

40% Racist and 60% Not Racist isn't a bad split, all things considered. Most folks would fare worse!

Soft yes for me. I was prepared to vote No but Hulk managed to win me over. This was another great episode because it's totally a movie that people can easily be on the fence about and still be "correct" if they vote yes or no. Sure, SPIRITED AWAY is probably a better movie, but even Devin would probably vote that in with minimal debate (and panty jokes). Where is the fun in that? ******** LONGER THOUGHTS: For what it's worth over the last year I have TENTATIVELY gotten back into manga and anime (American comic books as well) after swearing it all off during my late teens. I know it's easy to rag on this shit because of the sort of aggressive weeaboo weirdos that are VERY vocal online, but I've found it's like most genres out there - 80% is garbage, 10%-15% is good, and 5% is great. I'm very receptive to arguments that a lot of the stuff that seems WEIRD is culturally relative, but man, some of the shit is just WEIRD. I snagged ATTACK ON TITAN and was immediately hooked. It's a GREAT series that I think would be really appealing to anyone who is a fan of general monster/horror/fantasy stuff. Because of picking up AoT, Goodreads and other sites recommended BLACK BUTLER, a story about a young aristocrat and his demon butler. Sure, why not. The WHY NOT arrived in volume 2, which featured the young aristocrat (who is 13.... why always 13?) dressed up as a girl, trussed up with rope, and awaiting Jack the Ripper (no joke) who is presumably going to rape and murder him. I GOT THIS BOOK AT THE LIBRARY! So no, it's not an actual porno title but the imagery and themes are entirely pedophilic. At this point "cultural relativism" arguments went out the window, along with the book. So yeah, sometimes shit is just weird and people who defend ALL anime should be ignored. But I also think people shouldn't ignore the medium just because of a handful of jerks and creeps.

Oh fuck yeah. This movie is amazing. Probably the only Lovecraft film that REALLY works.

Bumping this for Brexit timeliness.

CIVIL WAR would be a great head-to-head - I'd like to see it pitted against THE WINTER SOLDIER, which I know a lot of people still consider the MCU high water mark.

Great movie, and considering we currently have a presidential candidate who knows nothing about anything, very timely.

The first IRON MAN movie. Kicked off the MCU so its importance in terms of impact is undeniable, but it's not even the best IRON MAN movie let alone the best MCU film. I think there's a lot of great arguments to be made for inclusion AND exclusion. That's my favorite type of episode.

This is the sort of film that produces the best CANON episodes because your vote largely depends on your own Canon criteria. Is it influential and enduring in its imagery and message? Oh, hell yes it is. Is it actually a GREAT movie? I dunno if it is, and I found myself agreeing with many of Amy's critiques. I'd echo the SOFT YES voters. LONGER THOUGHTS: A detail I wanted to circle back to since Devin brought it up but ran out of time to go into it - the film's homoeroticism and how it relates to the violent conclusion. I had never really thought much about the final assault on the TV station in the context of mass shootings, but that's totally what it is. Leave it to Carpenter to get the audience on the side of a man gunning down nominally "innocent" dimensional aliens. ANYWAYS, I've read a lot about mass shootings (ONE OF US by Asne Seierstad and COLUMBINE by Dave Cullen are both required) and more recently had the displeasure of having one happen in my own community of Orlando, FL. A surprisingly common theme in many of these incidents are accusations of closeted homosexuality against the eventual shooter. The shooter always rejects these claims vociferously or angrily. Anders Breivik and Omar Mateen have so many common touchpoints in their lives, and this is one of them. It's difficult to view Nada and Frank's fight as anything other than homoerotic jockeying, ESPECIALLY considering they both check into a motel immediately afterward. Frank doesn't mention anything about his wife or kids after the fight. I feel confident saying that they're both closeted/in denial about their sexuality. It's well known that being closeted or in denial about one's sexuality has a negative effect on one's emotional health. It appears to play some role in harming the emotional health of people who eventually become mass shooters. Ergo, I think Carpenter is making a bold argument that you can't effect the sort of radical change needed to TRANSFORM society unless you're emotionally not very healthy. Unless you've got a lot of anger, coupled with a lack of regard for social order. This also made me think of the INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS remake, which saw a similar alien conquest being spearheaded by quacks preaching a bland "I'M OK/ YOU'RE OK" type of passive emotional states. Anyways, I thought this was interesting, and really further hammered home that this is a pretty radical, angry film.