The_Triple_Lindy

Who had fun tonight?

I know it's late notice but I'm in ... I've never seen this and I don't even know what it's about

For me, if it is in fact against the rules for Abby Cornish to date at work or talk to people while on duty, he's a total dick for bothering her when he knows he could get her in trouble. We can't all just give the finger to the rules at work -- some of us can't afford to get fired for flirting on the clock, and that's true even if you work a drive thru somewhere, let alone are charged with protecting the president.

There was an episode of King of the Hill where the gang gets stuck over-board away from shore and Dale saves them because he keeps an emergency cig and match in a Ziplock baggie ... so, there's precedent. I'm more curious what that liquor tastes like after floating in sun-bathed salt water.

I'm not saying that at all. Saying the reaction wouldn't be the same isn't saying the reaction would be "warm fuzziness." I don't want this movie to be different. This movie can be about whatever it wants to be. And I'm not saying that what they were doing wasn't taboo and a little creepy. All I disagree with is the notion that what we find creepy and "uncomfortable" here we would find criminal if the roles were flipped around ... that's all. Let me throw an olive branch by saying that my wife and I tossed around the "what ifs" after watching this last night. Then, when I open the board this morning, boom, first comment. So maybe this was just a conversation I was ready and waiting for. Having said all this, welcome to the board, Ultimate Trekker! Don't let this deter you from joining the fun

Of course it's a joke, but it speaks to the double-standard in question. Yeah, he didn't bring up the age difference. Fair enough. But part of the cringe-worthiness of the plot rests on the ages of these boys. If the boys were 35, and their mothers were 60, I don't think the reaction to their relationship dynamic would be the same, nor would anyone be making sex offender jokes.

Or the idea that "Men are so stupid that they can't understand the cosmic closeness of two women who are life-long friends and can only process that as lesbianism."

The most interesting underlying theme in this film, to me, is the idea that these characters live a life of luxury that is so sufficiently dull that they destroy each others' lives just as a hobby. It's like if Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was a plateau instead of a pyramid, and the characters all say "well, my every basic need is satisfied, and the fulfillment found in the pursuit of stability has been made moot by wealth, and I'm bored enough to smash my life to pieces so I'll at least have something to do while I drink chardonnay on this barge all day." In fact, the barge is a perfect metaphor for how these four people seem to just be drifting through life.

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I think it's more that the first comment in this board is someone suggesting that a movie made the other way around would be grounds for sex offender registration. As I said, I get that the closeness of the characters is what makes Adore different. I just think that difference is negligible, on the whole. This isn't Jaime and Cersei Lannister -- we can call it "incestuous," but it's not actually incest.

To my mind, I don't have to wonder "what if this movie was about men with younger girls" because that exists everywhere in movies, both as a primary plot and as a secondary storyline, and we don't worry about it nearly as much. Some are even considered all-time great movies -- Lolita, Taxi Driver, American Beauty, etc. Sometimes it's even played for laughs. So the "whataboutism" coming forth about this movie is silly. Yes, there are differences, the big one being that these are two women who are friends and who are fucking each others sons, who are also friends -- that's certainly an unusual dynamic. But let's be real and not over-estimate the fictional public reaction to a movie featuring this plot with the genders reversed, which I would imagine to be more like this: Me: "Hey, did you hear that there's a movie where these older guys fuck each other's younger daughters?" Public:

I'm no script doctor, but I think the movie would benefit from showing us one of Johnny's data smuggling gigs going smoothly, at least once. It's hard to root for a guy when all an audience knows of his life and motivation is what they're told through exposition. The movie opens with Johnny waking up after a night of hookers and champagne, apparently blowing through all that money he so desperately needs. Instead, it could have opened on Johnny completing a delivery like he's supposed to. Having that context would answer a few questions, like, does Johnny always get nosebleeds he has to tai chi away? How are three screencaps from the TV supposed to act as a password, and what happens if there is no TV in the room? And most importantly, does he have any other getaway disguises besides a driver cap trimmed with fake hair? (Incidentally, did anyone else notice that when he puts on the get-up, he's running down a stairwell, but then it cuts to him getting off the elevator?)

I love St. Clair's appearances. Her commentary is the best parts of both Jason and June wrapped up into one adorable package.

Yes, let's talk disc space. First, let's agree that "synaptic seepage" is the grossest term ever. Second, one of the audience members talked about how the human brain is estimated to hold 100 terrabytes of info. That's great, but the whole idea of seepage clearly indicates that the data isn't really being stored in the brain, because data getting into the brain is bad (see also: anal seepage being the thing killing Johnny), so that means that the mnemonic memory device is just a hard drive installed into the cranium, presumably after having removed some portion of the brain in which long-term memory is stored. And for as long as I can remember, hard drive space is finite, meaning that you can't even try to put 320 gigs of data on a 180 gig drive because the machine will see that the file is too big as say "Hey bro, I can't do that shit." So, what exactly is "seepage" anyway? Why would there ever be data getting into the brain if the brain, itself, isn't the storage device, in which case data getting into the brain wouldn't harmful since that is the fucking point? Also, Johnny thinks he's getting those childhood memories back, but if parts of his brain were removed to accommodate the hard drive, good luck with that.

It occurs to me that they also missed the chance to have Merv Griffin play the Gryphon. But they had Imogene Coca as the "Cook" so that's ... that's pretty close?

I was kinda thinking that maybe it was a teleportation accident ... like, maybe when he materialized in front of Alice, he left his hair behind by accident, or maybe he accidentally materialized just as the Queen of Hearts was bringing the blade down on someone and he got skinned. "Meow, baby" is probably my second favorite line, right after King of Hearts saying, "These days, heads just don't roll like they used to. Now they just clump onto the ground and stay there."

Nah, not acid. Mushrooms. Obviously.

Open question: Do the waterbirds straight up kill Sherman Hemsley?

Just about everyone who's ever seen this remembers the Jabberwocky more than anything else, and since it doesn't show until the end of part one, it stands to reason that you'd remember that most. Although, for some reason, I remember Carol Channing most clearly, perhaps even more so than Sammy Davis, Jr. They couldn't make Ringo the Walrus because I guess they needed his magical freeze breath for the Mockturtle number. Dude ... I've never put that together, but of course it makes total sense. No apologies, Cinco ... this movie is baffling. Although to clarify one thing: The White Rabbit is the one who needs the gloves. The March Hare is at the Mad Tea Party. So if you bailed after Alice turns giant in the house, you never got the part with the March Hare ... which is a shame because aside from the very unfunny "Laugh" song, that's probably the best scene of Part One.

Great poster. I realized while watching this that I really had no memory of anything other than the music and costumes. The dialogue is completely inane, and I know that Alice spends a lot of time talking to herself, but the exposition got tiresome. And frankly, they characterized Alice as a complete idiot, which every character points out to her face. And my sister and I must have watched his a hundred times as a child. My poor parents ... Plus: ... why?!

Looking forward to Johnny Mnemonic ... haven't seen it since high school. So, Paul posited that maybe the old lady was just shocked by all the porcelain in the men's room. Could you imagine how debilitating a porcelain phobia has to be? You basically wouldn't be able to even look in any public restroom, ever. Not to mention how cold stainless steel toilet seats have to be at 4 am. Also, it wasn't until Cam Bert's non-award-winning comment that I realized: anyone who keeps their biceps stationary while gesticulating with their forearms is instantly doing a Dangerfield impression. Add a couple of "I tell ya's" and it's downright uncanny.

Never done this before, I don't know what rabbit is, but I'll just be sitting on ass tonight, so why not?

Did anyone ever really talk about the totally agro coach from the first team they win against, Coach Annie? Chester and Mullens spent 2 full minutes talking about how unattractive she is and how mice would leap from the floor when she walked in? She talks shit to them the whole game, and then after the game, comes over looking for a hug?

The funny thing is that, when I actually try to do that, it never works.

Can you really be "underdogs" if you've never played the game before? I mean, the Mighty Ducks and Bad News Bears had been teams for a while and they were actually trying to do well and just sucking at it, despite a little bit inherent talent. But these girls were completely new to the game, and sports in general, in some cases. Chu didn't know anything about the game other than she can't use her hands -- and then they put her in as goalie!! What does anyone expect? These girls have no frame of reference at all ... can you be a lovable loser if you've never actually lost?