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The Letter: Ok guys - When Lizzie and her mom return from Lizzie's makeover they find a "letter from Charlie" under the door. It's dripping with romance and Lizzie runs off to find Charlie. If you're team Fred, then you are honestly saying that Lizzie wrote herself this letter, planted it as though Fred wrote it, acted as if you never saw it before, deeply believed it was a genuine article (to the point where she showed it to Carrie Fischer)... then the only conclusion from this alone is that Lizzie is completely insane. This isn't the action of someone working out their childhood problems, this is a deep break from reality. The only other explanation is that Fred, in this universe, is a real entity.

Well... she interacts with Lizzie's mom during one of the first scenes in the movie. Janie says " she just needs a cuddle" or something. The mom acknowledges her and responds. Murray is clearly in the houseboat waiting to sex-up Janie as well and Murray talks to Janie as they leave for work in the morning about Lizzie... and Lizzie is not present. Also - everyone looks at Janie during her "strangling Fred" moment in the hallway. The entire room comes to the window and Murray personally comes out to ask what the hell Janie is doing. Just like Fred. Janie is real.

I can agree with June on one thing: Rik Mayall. I get it, I think he is a sexy MFer. I'm almost the same age as June and I saw this as a kid, but in my mind Fred was played by Yahoo Serious and not Rik Mayall. Seeing this as a grown woman I can see how he's pretty darn sexy. He's also... cleaner... than I remembered? His hair is wild and his clothes are acid green, but he's actually fairly well put together. So yeah... I get it.

It's simply absurd and obtuse to say that Lizzie is actually laying on her back looking up the skirts of her mom and Annabella. I might... maybe... MAYBE believe she is imagining Fred doing that, but to say that she is actually LITERALLY lying on her back looking up skirts is a serious stretch.

I'm mostly team Sanity with a few differing opinions. I have a lot to say so I'll just start at the top: Fred is real. The only way for the movie to make sense is for Fred to be a separate entity unto himself. It is a nice thought that he is a "Tyler Durden" but he can't be because of the two scenes mentioned (the group of other IFs and the final scene.) The writers may have intended him to be a manifestation of her id, but they failed and/or abandoned that premise and instead created a universe where imaginary friends indeed exist. This is NOT an interpretation. This is what the crappy filmmakers gave us. There are several places where Fred would have to actually exist, but one that comes to mind is when they are at the psychiatrists office the other IFs tell Fred that if Lizzie takes the green pills that it will kill him. Fred independently learns this information. Yes, we overhear the doctor tell Lizzie's mom (and clearly see Lizzie not hearing or being a part of this conversation) that the pills will help her, but we don't get the information that the pills will specifically make Fred disappear. Fred gets this information outside of Lizzie... Lizzie who was not even in the room when he has this conversation. Fred is sentient. It should also be pointed out that Fred recognizes Go To Hell Herman, Namby Pamby etc, even though he's been trapped in a box for 21 years. All the children in that waiting room are under 6 meaning that YES INDEED these Imaginary Friends exist and move on to new kids when their assigned kids grow too old. There is no other way Fred would recognize them as old friends.

Once you see it you can't unsee it. I was at work earlier so I didn't get a chance to really expound upon it (and my image spells it out) but the pregnancy subtext SCREAMS at you once you begin to analyze the sequence. It begins with Butch's earliest memory "of his father." Butch did not know his father because he died in WWII before he was born or before he would ever get the chance to meet him. At the end of the scene we realize this was Butch having a memory-dream. His father is on his mind. Butch does not throw the fight like he is supposed to, instead wins by killing his opponent so that he can cash in as much as possible for his retirement. Being a boxer is a dangerous business and Butch is getting old. He jumps in a cab where he is taken to his "Little Mammacita" hiding out in an anonymous hotel room. They are planning an escape. Butch enters the room and his demeanor instantly changes. He talks softly and sweetly to his lady. You could say he babies her. They discuss their escape, their danger, and then have oral sex. In the morning she discusses with great relish what she wants for breakfast, but then they discover that she forgot the watch. Butch flips his shit and has to go get it... risking his life. Why is he thinking about his father at all? Why is he retiring from an incredibly violent business? (Besides his outburst about the watch) Why does he treat Fabienne like a child? Why risk his LIFE for a watch? It's clear as day. They are having a baby and Butch has to make BIG changes. He wants to be a better father than his own by actually being alive for his child.

I’m a week late for this episode but I came here to say this and it shocks me how many people don’t recognize it. It’s amazing show and don’t tell writing: the importance of Butch’s father, Butch’s legacy, the ticking clocks all around. It’s the entire reason why Butch is doing all the things he is doing. I made this because I’ve always had this theory.

Yeah... I spoke too soon. Rabbit's website now redirects to something called KAST which is an app you download. I took a chance and downloaded it. It looks similar to rabbit but I can't get it to do anything so far.

It totally worked for me last night. Maybe we should do next week. I can do this Friday but I might be late. Edit: Oh no! Tiptoes!

Sooooo... I'm bumping this because I thought you guys might like to know that even though rabbit is done, they've lest the keys in the ignition and it seems to be working. https://www.rabb.it/s/8balc I've started a room to see how far I got and it took a minute but it works. Anybody want to try for Friday?

Only Eddie can truly express how I feel about this.

It looks to be currently up and running at the moment. I just googled it and didn't see anything? What info do you have?

Edit: disregard message. I'm dumb.

Maaaaaan... this movie would have been so much more famous and arguably so much more... watchable if Val Kilmer was Joe. He would have raised the insanity level, which his honestly what this film needs. So I bought this dumb movie because it was the same price as renting it... and I said to myself "It can't be that bad." Anyhoo... If anyone wants to Rabbit this thing one evening this week I'll host.

Nawwwww... there's some DARK SHIT in WFRR. The Dip and the shoe? Holy Shit.

I'm into hijinks... and maybe some shenanigans.

I will be there!

This is her shittiest movie (and that's saying something.) Who cares if her fans wouldn't accept it as being bad... it doesn't even have cult status. In the vein of Glitter and Burlesque. She's ridiculous (yet gorgeous) but the movie is a big cartoony fiasco.

I would like to second this one. Jason, June, and Paul could have a field day with it. This was recently added to Amazon Prime. I saw this as a kid a bunch of times and of course never realized how shitty it is until a rewatch this week. It's chock full of famous people and has so many ridiculous and cliched scenes. Judge Reinhold and Fred Savage's performances are wild and really cringe inducing. It has held no cultural significance and has been pretty much lost to the annals of time... and it's easy to see why.

This might explain why when his girlfriend brings Mike his belongings (because she's kicking him out of her place - he does not have his own place to live) she brings a SINGLE dufflebag that really didn't seem that full. Only one counter argument: Them sweet abs.

It's weird. WB cartoons - Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc have always been a big part of my pop culture life. I loved them as a kid and couldn't wait to watch the Bugs Bunny Tweety Show on Saturday mornings (before wrestling,) but for some reason Space Jam was never my thing... I think that may be due to the fact that I was about 15 when it came out and was too cool for that mess. I am aware how much it has always meant to people around my age and younger though and who could forget all the "Taz- mania" of the mid 90s. As for Avatar, fuck Avatar. I walked out of that movie instantly forgetting about 75% of it. Dances With Wolves with Giant blue people, dragon tails and weird fireflies? Idk It's funny how little cultural impact it has had.

I'm a kid of the 80s and I saw Jaws 3D when I was fairly young (on TV) but the movie I saw way more was The Muppets Take Manhatten and it only occurred to me this evening that since Manhatten came out in 1984, this scene is totally a homage to Jaws 3D.

Speaking of these guys, this is dumb as hell, but I totally thought that the skeleton Kay and Mike come across was one of the coral bandits. They have the same hat. I just couldn't figure out how the shark picked the bones clean. On my rewatch I caught Mike saying the skeleton was a part of the pirate ship attraction, but since they never came across the bodies of our dudes at any point in the movie I like to pretend that Mike just thought that was a fake skeleton.

Correction: Someone asked if all the scenes take place in Sea World and there was at least one that was not (maybe two if we consider that the bar is probably not in Sea World) There is an early scene where we see Mike, Kay, and Sean in their kitchen. This scene is hilarious to me for a few reasons. 1. The rad 80s wallpaper. 2. The serious product placement (Wheaties, Tropicana, Dunkin Donuts) 3. Kay walks in the kitchen yawning and states "Some guys can sleep in in the morning. Some of us have to be at work early." as she passes Mike and Sean already having breakfast... so who exactly is sleeping in? Clearly Kay is the last one up and no one is "sleeping in." Way to shame people for no fucking reason, Kay.

Hey Paul, For whatever it's worth, I'm totally obsessed with Halloween 3 and I wanted to hear what you had to say about its connections with Jaws 3.