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I have a beef with the whole Grace backstory. If Grace, as a young girl, witnessed Ro and her mother burying a body in the back yard... is this really the person she chooses to antagonize for her whole life? The person willing to be, at least, an accessory to murder? For all Grace knows, Ro was the killer, yet Grace slithers around her like Biff from BTTF (Ro is George McFly.) It seems like a normal person would stay as far away from the "murder family" as possible for pretty much their whole life... or at least act a little scared of them... but, no, Grace openly taunts Ro with BARELY veiled innuendo.

It's so confusing... she just happened to think that trublu was some random person IMing her the first moment she's online. They text for hours (there's a clock time fade) and we learn later that it is Miles, but Miles had another IM username. But WHY? What point does any of that serve? My thing was how they treated IMing as a sexual act... like just the simple act of IMing was some sort of foreplay in and of itself. She had barely spoken to Adex before he says "Are you turned on?"... Turned on? From WHUT?

Hey guys... I've been meaning to tell you that this discussion inspired me a few weeks ago and I won the top spot in this contest because of it. http://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-1132-the-surprisingly-weird-aftermaths-20-famous-events/ So Thanks y'all! You're the best

She made the Family Stone and I love that movie to my soul. Fight me.

Those are cheerios and it won't torch your tongue or anything, but it is spicy. Also - There are nuts, anyone who can't have nuts let me know.

Fun as always guys... and... I'm just sayin'

I’ll be there in a minute!!! Sorry

Re Rabbit: I just love it. It doesn’t always work so well, but watching movies with friends and cracking jokes is what I live for. I don’t actually find the chat distracting at all... I’m usually distracted by other things. But seriously... I fully support more Rabbiting with MM and maybe even the regular movies if anyone is ever interested. It’s just great and it’s super easy... everyone should join!

Speaking of Beaches- very few remember this song, but it’s sooooo typical Bette.

So... I knew Bette’s work fairly well and the Rose wasn’t such a departure for me because I know a bit about Bette’s stage show - The Divine Miss M. Like I mentioned to Grud and Cinco last night... that show is bawdy and just kind of nutty. Bette is a total wildcard. Singer/actress/comedian. She can do it all... it’s unfortunate how she doesn’t get to be very funny in The Rose and it’s why she mostly did comedies after this (with the ENORMOUS exception of the cry-fest Beaches.) This is her most famous bit Delores Delago... she’s been performing versions of it for years. This is just one of many videos of the mermaid bit.

My guess is Mae West by the costume.

I’ll be there! I’m on rabbit, too.

You guys decide and I’ll show up.

I know this discussion is pretty much dead, but I found this tonight when I was researching and thought you all may enjoy the info. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-halloween-was-all-tricks-no-treats-180966996/

This movie should be exciting! Cool pick!

Strangely enough- I never realized how similar Kevin Bacon and Bryan Adams looked... has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

Yes... I think it was Tawny who kept saying Bryan Adams "Baby you're all that I want"... which just drove me crazy because she called it that a few times. And on that note... somebody help me out. The lyrics are: Baby, you're all that I want When you're lyin' here in my arms I'm findin' it hard to believe We're in heaven Shouldn't it be "I'm findin' it hard to believe we're NOT in heaven"... finding it hard to believe we ARE in heaven doesn't sound like a compliment. Anybody got any thoughts on this?

A big failure of this movie, that I think the filmmakers thought might be a strength, was that they don't spell out a lot of things and don't tell the whole story in some places. For instance, the weird AF scene with the husband and the woman he runs into and catches up with in the kid's bedroom. I think what happened there is that HUBS used to work with her husband, but he died and they lost touch... here they are reminiscing for no reason and adds nothing to the film except that it shows old Hubsy might not be that far from straying either. They never flat out tell the story of their relationship... as most people don't when they are catching up with people they know. Unfortunately, this vagueness is just strange and uncalled for. And of course the other big vague relationship is Slick and Rick. Slick is Rick's girlfriend and they set it up from the beginning ... I would even say it's the biggest throughline for the entire movie. When we first see Slick on the asinine commercial, the guy watching the commercial says "Tony says that's his best friend's girlfriend"... Tony is the guy dancing with the floor polisher in the hallway and his best friend is Rick. Why they decided to give us this information here is a mystery. When we see her next she is waiting outside Rick's trailer to pick him up... she sees that he's had sex with the blonde girl and is clearly hostile about it, but god love them I think the filmmakers were trying to make their relationship nuanced (and to be fair - FAILED, they were trying to be too smart for this stupid movie.) It's a little like the movie shows them in a rough patch in their relationship and what we see in the end in the shower is them getting back together. The movie NEVER flat out expresses this, but Slick is always hanging around in the background of Rick's scenes... she shows up almost every time. It's like they are trying to show that although she does express some mild jealousy, Rick sleeping around (right or wrong) is a known fact about their relationship. One line of dialogue at the trailer park could have made this clearer. Also - WTF was that commercial for?

I fully admit that this is anecdotal... and it was also about 2005, but I had a good friend who was a stripper and one night she invited me to go with her to her club to see a Chippendale's type show (generic Chippendales...I can't remember their name.) By the time the dudes showed up , very late, the place was PACKED with ladies who were well on their way to being drunk AF. There were only 4 or 5 guys performing, and yes they wore themed costumes (this seems to be a feature of male dance reviews since it is not as "every day" as women's strip clubs are and by definition are a bit more theatrical... and to be fair lady strippers wear themed costumes too... it's just not the rule.) ANYHOO - the whole point of this post is that - yes - the male dancers have a much different party-line when it comes to touching. In most strip clubs around the US you do NOT touch the female strippers end of story. Male dancers do not seem to have this rule (at least these dancers at this time). I was groped, touched, and my hands were placed on the dancer's bodies by the dancers themselves... many times. If you had dollar bills they let you do all the touching you want. As they went through the crowd it was a veritable free for all. I do not remember a lot of kissing, but I do believe it happened. It was insane... in my memory it was very much similar to the scenes in this movie where the ladies just lost their minds. Also keep in mind that almost every time I have ever seen a male stripper, they do not get to down to the Fully Monty as they say... there's always a tinier banana hammock underneath every layer of clothing...like a filthy russian nesting doll. NOW - it probably goes without saying - this was pre "me too" and I wonder if the Chippendale culture hasn't changed quite a bit. I can only imagine that the dancers touching the female patrons would be verboten these days... maybe the patrons have to sign a consent form? In conclusion - do I believe this this movie is accurate to early 80s male stripper culture? Oh yes I do. PS. I was so happy that Paul mentioned the strip club scene in Mr. Mom, which is one of my favorite movies and I recognized its similarity to Rick's stripping scene instantly. This is the best clip I could find, but it's a hilarious companion to this movie... the stripper in this one is into Michael Keaton.

Yeah... but have y’all had Memphis style BBQ? That shit is Deeeee-licious.

I hear the stage version of St. Louis is terrible. I have never seen it.

Not sure if anyone will find this interesting but me... but one of my favorite things about period movies is that we as creators and viewers are unable to accurately see our current fashion properly. Because of this, period movies often are way more influenced by current fashion than the period in which they are trying to portray. Meet Me in St. Louis is no exception. A lot of the fashion in the movie does make a great effort to be accurate... the mom is the best example, but costume designer Irene Shariff was seemingly not going to put her star in the dowdy, matronly fashions of the time. The early 1900s is best known for women trying to achieve a "pigeon chest" that pulls their bosom way down almost to their waist. I put a little picture together here that shows what the more ideal look for the period would be, next to stills from the film, and then images of 1944.

YAAAAAASSS - MOAR MMISL FAN FICTION!

YAAAS - I hope many of you agree, but this movie is so freaking beautiful to look at.

Yeah - something like that. If you notice a strip club is called a "gentleman's club" that's what that means... they don't want regular ladies to distract from the ladies making money. I had a friend who was a stripper and generally disliked women customers because - as she described it - they were usually there with their man as some act of foreplay and never really spent any money. Go figure.