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Okay, i've got two quick things. 1) This is more for Lawnmower Man 1 than 2, but did everyone know that Lawnmower Man was the favorite film of cult leader David Koresh (the one from Waco)? They mention it in that miniseries with Taylor Kitsch and Michael Shannon that was on the Paramount network. You can fact check it as well. 2) I felt we should discuss how everyone seemed to dress like it was 1931. The kids all looked like they could be friends with Christian Bale in Newsies, and all the adult men were wearing hats. That hasn't been cool since at least 1968. This is the future. Does fashion come back every 100 years?

YES! I was lucky enough to live close enough to LA that I was present for the Shaq movies, and I saw both Bay Area shows during the recent tours. Now that I'm in another state, I'm hoping they will do this 3 or 4 times a year. I don't want them to do it so often it becomes not special, but I think it's a really beautiful thing right now for all of us to get to connect, even though I didn't bother with the chat. I loved June's lighting talk. For the record, she's breathtaking in either light.

This movie had seemingly no understanding of how anything in politics works. One correction for June, I'm not sure about every state, but in California lieutenant governors are elected, not appointed. Cali's current governor Gavin Newson ran and was elected twice in 2010 and 2014. I remember voting for him, and Wikipedia confirms he had to run. For further credibility, I have taught AP Government. Some of my favorite stuff in the movie was that the Balse was the lieutenant governor, but the dipshits he hung out with named Brown and Jo were congresspersons. Why were they there? They're federal government officials. State representatives are not referred to as "congressman" and "congresswoman," they are assembly members. I'm not saying they have no interest in state politics, but they woudn't be hanging out in Sacramento EVERY DAY. That's insane. Sacramento county does have the 6th and 7th districts, but even in that case one of them would live in the other district which is not super close to the actual city of Sacramento. Also the man who seems to be their boss is named Senator Mack. In that case at least, maybe he's a state senator and his presence makes sense, but he wouldn't be bossing around the lieutenant governor and two congresspeople. And somehow he feels he can fire the lieutenant governor of California! That's not how it works. Not even the governor can fire the lieutenant governor. He has to either resign, lose a recall election, or we have to wait until the next election. I guess if he was arrested at the end, that would work too, but he's still can't be fired by a Senator. Nor can Gabbi/Gabby choose her replacement. The lieutenant governor would take over. If Balse were in jail, she'd be replaced by the President pro tempore of California's Senate. Also, another connection to The Room that I feel like no one stated specifically. Real life Gabbi's IMDB says she is a native of Sacramento. I believe that about as much as I believe Tommy Wiseau is born in the USA. I promise I'm not trying to come off anti-Immigrant, but come on! The only time Gabbi sounded confident in her lines was when she was speaking German. She must have been born and raised in Germany or Austria. She just lives in Sacramento now, right? Finally, I was fascinated by Gabbi's black friend's adr. I suppose she could also have been a German immigrant, but was I the only one who thought that actress got busy with something else and Gabbi just did her voiceover in like a silly voice?

I also hated this movie. And part of what I hate is the laziness of the research and writing. Some of the jokes were moderately clever, but not enough to redeem it. Someone acknowledged this already, but the Velocipastor appears to be a Catholic Priest and so the idea that he doesn't believe in dinosaurs is nonsense. While I'm not really Catholic anymore, I was raised Catholic and my parents allowed me to read books and go to museums about dinosaurs. I saw Jurassic Park 7 TIMES in the theater. They both believed in evolution and dinosaurs, as did all my teachers and priests (one of whom was kind of a dick and may have been eating people as a velociraptor in his spare time). Another ridiculous thing was the exorcism scene. First off, if these priests were so devout (or really if they were anyone who sat through the Exorcist) they would know that to have an exorcism, you need the approval of the local Archbishop and it has to be done by a priest according to the highly ritualized Rituale Romanun. The Church is certainly not going to bring in some Criss Angel looking douche bag to perform an exorcism for them.

Okay a few things about the episode. 1. When Paul said they stole the players souls and not their talent because of Charles Barkley walking into a wall, I think he got that idea from the episode of the SImpsons where Bart sells his soul and the doors don't open for him. Could be wrong, but that's why when he said stole their soul, I was like "Oh yeah. Makes sense because of Bart Simpson." Also, Jason's been on a real tear lately about souls not existing. I think it is weird that he can suspend his belief for so many things but seems to feel if a soul exists in a movie it must be pointed out that they do not exist. Nothing I love thinking about better during a comedy podcast than the finality of death and the pointlessness of life. I'm tuning in to forgot the likelihood of those things, Zooks! Jeez. 2. Somebody else pointed out the racist undertones of Bugs Bunny talking to Michael Jordan about slavery. Agreed. But even more racist was everything Foghorn Leghorn did. I know he's supposed to be an old Southern gent, but is it really necessary to have him sing the first line of Dixie, the anthem of the Confederacy? Who's that joke for? Young Richard Spencer? Also, I know one of his catchphrases is to say "boy" repeatedly. But if I'm making a movie with a black athlete, I'm not going to have a cartoon rooster hold a sign at him that says "I say 10, boy." If you need to know why that's problematic, ask Michael Evans in Good Times. https://mademoiselleclipon.tumblr.com/post/142445173366/good-times 3. As for the "Jam" party of space jam, Paul was right that "jamming' is synonymous with a slam dunk. In addition to NBA Jam, there was also Charles Barkley's Shut up and Jam (best game ever!). And in the early 80's, you had the University of Houston teams known as "Phi Slama Jama" featuring future NBA legends Hakeem "the Dream" Olajuwon and Clyde "the Glide" Drexler. 4. I did not remember how bad this movie was. But as a Knicks fan, it was pleasant to remember a time where we were good. Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, Derek Harper. And Larry Johnson was on Charlotte on that point, but I'll always remember him as a Knick. BTW, I thought he was better than all the other basketball players at acting. Probably all that experience playing Grandmama.

Totally agree. I was coming here to say almost exactly this. Remember that while drinking during prohibition was harmless (except to one's own liver), bootlegging was an extremely violent industry. Prohibition created a lot more problems than it solved. Daniel was involved with people who were willing to kill anyone who quit. And this is very clearly a world where Heaven exists. That seems to be where Lily is headed at the end (unless it's to be reincarnated somewhere, but the implication seemed to clearly be that she and Daniel would be together for eternity). I also wanted to add to the hosts trashing of Molly, the tavern owner/innkeeper love interest. Daniel says he's the best bartender around, and then something like, "Come here tonight and you can test the veracity of my claim." And she says, "Well I don't know what you're talking about, but I'll come tonight." The only tough word there is veracity. I'm 37 and if an age appropriate lady told me on a date that she didn't know the word veracity, I would walk out. How do you make it to middle-age and never hear the word veracity? Maybe I'm a vocab snob but total turnoff. Lastly, the names they chose for the two brothers, Patrick and Daniel, were the two most common names for Irish men near that period. (To test the veracity of my claim, simply listen to the song "No Irish Need Apply" where the singer says "Some may think it a misfortune to be christened Pat or Dan, but to me it is an honor to be born an Irish man"). I thought it was weird to make one sound French-Canadian and the other really WASP-y.

Well obviously the Swedish friend was from the community! He was explaining all the circumstances. He said it like a million times. That makes it seem like I didn't actually watch the movie. I'm positing a theory. I think the main girl was one of many women put out into the society at a very young age only to be brought back for the ritual. Like some kind of reverse rumspringa. I don't think there's anyway she could speak the language that fluently after like six days. She also bought into the system too fast. Maybe the drugs are an explanation, but I like my theory better. I also don't think her "sister" killed herself. I think the community did that to disorient her and create the right circumstances for her to be Queen of Summer or whatever it was. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I think that makes it more interesting.

I was at the show and my friend and I felt there was one major omission. When Tommy and Megan knock on the Sheriff's Door, HE SHOOTS THROUGH THE DOOR WITHOUT WARNING! Unless we are both remembering wrong, the Sheriff is unaware of Jason as a threat. Which means that is just how he answers the door. How many doors does that Sheriff go through in a year? I just did the math on an inflation website. The average door today costs between 75 and 125 bucks. That would be between $33.53 and $55.89. If his door is shot out everyday, he's out between $12,000 and $20,000 a year. I laughed so hard at that and was shocked it didn't come up. Even if Jason had been a threat, you still want to make sure it isn't your daughter, who stops by frequently. Also, I didn't catch this at the live show, but Paul said if they had focused on the whacky kids more, it would have been like Salute Your Shorts with a killer. Salute Your Shorts DID have an episode with a murderer. His name was Zeke the Plumber. I don't remember the legend behind him; but he's like a combo of Freddie and Jason. He has a creepy mask, but makes wisecracks and I think visits the campers in his dreams. Correct me if I'm wrong fellow SOS fans.

I agree. I don't think this movie is bad enough to do on the podcast, but it's definitely just a ripoff of movies like The Wicker Man. I think there's actually a lot of interesting things to discuss (the girlfriend character was from this community, right? That's why she speaks Swedish at the end?) But, I felt the same way about hereditary. I laughed my ass off when the head flew off. I did get scared by the end, but I was also like, "isn't this just Rosemary's baby, with a slightly older child and more willing adult?"

I wonder if it's popular in Italian cinema because of that Saint (can't remember which one. Lucy? Cecilia?) who rips her eyes out so she'll never have to get married? Freaked me out badly. Glad I'm not the only one. I LOVE does the dog die so that I am at least prepared for the death of a dog, but I didn't know they could prepare me for this kind of thing. Thanks! Sorry it took me three months to acknowledge this.

I know it is too late to reply to this topic and get it on air, but did anyone else consider the "Voice" is a member of the Trump Family? The name of the disease they picked to wipe out everyone they don't like (including brown people from Samoa) is SNOWFLAKE?! In the movie, Statham and the Rock represent the "Hollywood, liberal" elite of the CIA (the deep state?) who would be happy to see the Trump presidency go down! I really won't try to make this political, but what if the Rock is trying to mount a Republican primary challenge, and he's starting with this movie?! (). Could be right? Particularly when you consider that Hobbes and Locke (Rock and Ryan Reynolds) are the names of the two philosophers who developed the Social Contact, which says that if the government is not protecting your rights, you as the people have the right to alter or abolish it...

FYI I laughed really hard at the idea of Space Jean Valjean. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think the connection is to Guardians of the Galaxy, I think Starcrash is a prequel to The Greatest American Hero. School Teacher, Ralph Hinkley (later changed to Hanley because of John Hinkley Jr.'s attempt on Ronald Reagan's life) gets a red and black suit with a crazy amount of powers. But he doesn't have the manual so he doesn't know every power. Still, check out the link that allegedly attached. Mr. H bears a striking resemblance to Acton/Akron or whatever his name is. Both are curly-haired blondes in red and black costumes. I think the aliens who come down in the pilot of Greatest American Hero were inspired by Acton's unlimited powers and gave Mr. H the suit so he could do more good on earth. I'm also pretty sure Stephen J. Cannell was watching Starcrash when he got the idea for one of the most out there American TV shows of the last 40 years. Also, am I the only one who thinks George Lucas was like, "you know what, there was not enough skin in Star Wars. We're almost done with Empire, but when we get to Return of the Jedi I'm going gold bikini over black. Instead of taking a gorgeous woman and making her look like she's wearing a diaper, we're going to take a gorgeous woman and make her look great. It'll be Halloween costume for years to come." Who knows? Pics of Greatest American Hero

Too good. Doesn't belong on this podcast. Well, at least Mad Max and The Road Warrior. Beyond Thunderdome is up for grabs.

Totally agree. A solid movie that most people never saw. It isn't The Godfather, but it isn't terrible either.

Disagree. One of the best movies of all time.

I agree Godspell is embarrassingly stupid, but I think people like the music.

OOH! Great choice! Care-a-lot! We care a lot!

Yup! Needs to be done. Jason even alludes to it in one of the episodes. I can't remember which one, but he says something about "Give my brother back his bike" but can't remember the movie. I love it, and the theme song kicks ass, but it's totally ridiculous.

Huh. I think it totally holds up. Super dumb, but funny.

Disagree with OP. I think this movie is really scary. However, I have a real problem with (SPOILER ALERT) someone ripping out their own eyes. I couldn't sleep for a few days when this came out. I think I was 14 or 15.

This movie is SO bad/good! A girl I knew in college's dad worked on this movie and she talked to me about how badly it did. But, because I said I had enjoyed it, her dad sent her a beanie with Extreme Ops printed on it. I rarely wear it, but I will never give it up. They need to do this.

Fair point, although I really think Dominion is not a bad movie. Whereas Exorcist the Beginning sucks.

Well, I just said one of mine. CONGO! I kept trying to join the boards a few years ago and couldn't for whatever reason. I admit it's stupid, but I saw it young and loved it. I forgot about Spiceworld. I was in like 8th grade when that came out and had a crush on 3/5ths of the Spice Girls. And I thought it was the kind of dumb fun that held up. Obviously I agree with them about most movies, but I do think they're too harsh sometimes. Cellular is dumb fun (which Paul and Ike Barinholz seemed to get), but I thought it was weird that everyone hated Van Helsing from the beginning. It gets tedious, but a lot of the early parts are totally idiotic fun.

Minor Corrections or Omissions: Correction: At one point Paul (AKA John) says something about putting away childish things. He then attributes the quote to Maya Angelou while admitting that might not be it. He's actually quoting Paul's Letter to the Corinthians Chapter 13 verse 11. It's often used at weddings. Chapter 13 contains that whole "Love is Patient, Love is Kind" thing. John, you were thinking of this: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." Omission: I think some people in the boards already alluded to it, but my friend Sarah wanted me to post how disappointed she was that only Jason seemed to kind of know Rik Mayall. The idea that he was some Robin Williams knock off was offensive to her (she's British and loves the Young Ones). To quote her, he's "kind of a big deal." His wikipedia page says he was one of the pioneers of alt-comedy. Everybody has misses in their career, but he's allegedly pretty great (I don't know for sure; posting for a friend). Omission: It would have been fun to relive the last time the hosts were this divided. Remember "The Odd Life of Timothy Green?" I did not think that was that bad (along with Jason and the guest). Paul and June hated it. But we all have our movies we love. I still think they should not have done Congo. That diamond-powered laser totally adds up. And I'll admit while I hated this movie, Jason and June almost talked me into thinking it had good intentions. I still intend on ordering a Team Sanity shirt for me and a Team Fred shirt for my friend. Though I agree the mom was a piece of shit.

Correction, or at least dispute. I don't think the movie has any real Christian overtones. Nor do I think the rainbow to hell (or hel) is homophobia. As far as I could tell, the rainbow flag didn't become an LGBT symbol until 1978. Since this movie came out five years later, I don't know that it would be common knowledge to associate a rainbow with being gay (particularly if you're a very weird writer-director from Italy) in the early 80s the way it would be by the 90s. I think it's more likely a reference to Iris, one of the messenger gods who if I recall correctly traveled on a rainbow. Also, the word Hell has become Christian, but I think this is more of the writer misremembering Greek Mythology. In Greek mythology, if you're awesome you go to the Elysian Fields and if you were bad you go to Hades. Hel is from Norse mythology. There's a goddess named Hel, who presides over Hel where cowards and shitty people go. If you're awesome you go Valhalla and I think there was also some middle ground for people who were okay, but not heroic enough for Valhalla. So this is mixing of mythology. Incidentally, Jesus never talks about Hell in the bible. He uses Gehenna (where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth), which was also the name of the place in Jerusalem where they burned trash.