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  9. Posted

    We've kind of gone off on a side tangent here, but my original complaint was that they took a series that had very feminist/female-positive elements with traditionally female protagonists and turned it into a story about a dude that makes his way through life swindling ladies and breaking their hearts, and he doesn't even appear to really learn or grow as a result of his adventures. Adding to that, they make a man the solution to all of the witches problems, despite the fact that they are all more powerful than him. It just struck me as kind of an unfortunate decision.

  10. Posted

    It is notoriously awful, but it's basically just a porn (hell, it was made by Penthouse). It is worth pondering how they got people like Peter O'Toole, Gore Vidal and Sergei Prokofiev involved. I think everyone involved pretty much disowned it.

  11. Posted

    And yes, he was totally pursuing a romantic relationship with Glinda, so there was no misrepresentation there. Oz was exactly who the Witch of the East said he was.

     

    But that wasn't true at the time. He had literally just met Glinda, and was there to KILL her at the urging of the Wicked Witch of the East. She deliberately misleads Mila by implying he is there to romance Glinda which was factually untrue. And she conjures a music box to fool her into thinking he had also romanced her. At that point, he had only done that with Mila's witch. So yes, he's involved, and he's a jerk, but the Wicked Witch of the East manipulates her sister because she wants to rule. She is the one that is directly responsible for what happens, because she twists the situation to her advantage. At the point that Mila turns evil, Oscar hasn't actually done anything.

     

    The Witch of the North, who is one half of the Glinda character here, assumed that Dorothy was a witch even faster than the Witch of the West assumed Oz was a wizard. And the Glinda from the books, while not as superstitious as her sisters, was very similar to the Glinda from the movies in that despite this fact, she never tried to free the Munchkins or the Winkies or the Emerald City by herself, preferring to let Dorothy handle it on her own. Baum did have a lot of strong female protagonists, but none of these witches were ever the protagonists of his books (even in "Glinda of Oz," Glinda was little more than a deus ex machina), and they shared a lot of the failings of their movie counterparts.

     

    The Good Witch of the North initially assumes Dorothy is a witch because she falls out of the sky and kills The Wicked Witch of the East, which was something she had not been able to do (being less powerful than Glinda). It's actually a pretty reasonable assumption under the circumstances, and certainly does not portray her as gullible or stupid.

     

    It's also implied in the books that Glinda cannot or will not kill, and that part of the reason she was holding off doing anything about the other witches was because she was trying to locate Ozma. She also did drive out the Wicked Witch of the South from Quadling Country, and she did that before the Wizard even arrived.

     

    Sorry, but the witches in the books are absolutely not the Golly-Gee Dumb Dumbs portrayed in this movie.

  20. Posted

    I wish the pics of Jane March would come down. The reality is that COLOR OF NIGHT is a fascinating film and while critics and more advanced audiences have an easy time spotting the "twist", it generally comes as a surprise to viewers. Why ruin it for those who don't know.

     

    Stilstaw had already pointed this out in his post, so I figured the pic was fair game. Honestly, I don't think the HDTGM forums are considered a spoiler-free zone, as we are expected to explain why a particular film deserves to be discussed. Kinda hard to do that without spoiling the plot. Plus, the film is nearly 20 years old and widely reviled.

  21. Posted

    The witch of the West scarred her face by the tears the Wizard caused her to cry, so she was deformed well before the apple.

     

    Remember that it was her sister who lied to her, saying Oz gave her a music box and asked her to dance, not to mention she shows Oz meeting Glinda and deliberately misrepresents it as a romantic encounter when she had actually sent him there to kill her. Ultimately, it's her sister who both scars her and causes her heart to turn cold. Oz is a cad, no doubt, but he doesn't actually betray her or directly cause what happens.

     

    it would have involved three powerful women being duped by a male con artist, and that was Baum's original vision of events

     

    I'm going to have to take exception to that. The Wicked Witch of the West is shown to be superstitious in the books, but neither Glinda nor the Good Witch of the North are shown to be so. Glinda is well aware of the fact that the Wizard is a fraud, it's the people of the Emerald City that believe he's a Wizard. And in the books she is unquestionably more powerful than any of the other witches, so she doesn't need the Wizard for anything (including a boyfriend).

     

    Baum's books had a very strong feminist slant, featuring strong female protagonists in almost every instance.

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    I just think the culture-at-large can only support that stuff for so long before people say, 'Oh god, another superhero movie?'. I mean, I already hear people saying that now. It all moves in cycles. It's the same thing with vampires.

     

    I thought X3 was pretty awful. So many plot/script issues. And bad characterization. Prof X is suddenly a douche, Cyclops gets killed off screen, Juggernaut is just a series of one-liners. I really hated it.

  23. Posted

    It certainly isn't because of a lack of talented black performers. My hope is that they are making their own way like Jeremy.

     

    Big ups to integrity.

     

    Oh definitely not a lack of talent. Institutional racism, no doubts in my mind. I just hope that changes so that people don't feel compelled to prop up crappy creators like Tyler Perry.

  24. Posted

    Oh I agree, I think those PA movies are just about to overstay their welcome (though as I said, the profit margin is so insane on those that there will probably be at least 2 or 3 more before they throw in the towel). And I think there was a superhero tipping point in the mid 00's. X-Men 2 was the high point, then we had crap like X3, Fantastic Four 2, etc. But there was a bounceback with The Dark Knight and the Marvel stuff. But now we've got Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, Captain America 2, etc. I think we're approaching the saturation point again, though it probably depends on how good some of these sequels turn out to be.

     

    I actually liked Ang Lee's Hulk (it's probably the most beautifully shot comic movie I've ever seen) but I understand why people don't like it as a Hulk or Marvel movie.

  25. Posted

    The first Saw had a good story. The sequels were money-grabbing garbage with very little story or plot, just excuses to execute people in more and more elaborate and disgusting ways. You can tell the decline in quality just from the acting talent involved. We went from Danny Glover & Cary Elwes to a bunch of C-list TV actors no one ever heard of.

     

    I just don't care for torture-porn. It encourages the audience to root not for characters but for more elaborate and grisly deaths. That's why I liked Cabin in the Woods, I felt it really effectively skewered that whole genre.

     

    That being said, jump-scare movies get pretty tiresome, too. As does any genre that gets overdone. I've enjoyed a lot of the superhero movies in the last 4 yeas, but I feel like we're getting to a tipping point with that, too.

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