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Even as a kid, I hated this movie. It always made me feel weird.....

Whenever Jason baits June, I couldn't help but "see" this.

I almost went to see this one tonight. decided to save it for a rainy day. This was one of the non-splattered tomato reviews:

Get ready to be bummed out. That movie always makes me really sad.

I was about to post that the other day. I learned that when I watched a Ghost Adventures episode where they went to an island where Italian doctors isolated plague victims, and burned them alive. They stuffed the beaks with shit that they would would prevent the ingestion of the plague.

Where exactly WAS the Rock in Feb of 2011? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1355435/As-400-wolves-lay-siege-village--Have-ruthless-killers-lost-fear-humans.html

I am so glad that James Rolfe did this. http://cinemassacre.com/2013/05/28/super-mario-bros-1993-movie-review/

I think Pete Holmes may have had an issue with the gratuitous gear shifting, too. http://teamcoco.com/...-fast-furious-6

If there is a Fast and Furious/Crank crossover, my balls will explode in a mushroom cloud of joy. BTW guys, NOS is a real thing. Racers with shitty cars use Nitrous Oxide as an automatic boost of HP when they inject it into their engines during combustion. Very dangerous, and can destroy your shit if overused. They made an energy drink based off of that, which I am certain can also destroy your shit if overused (or used in general).

I haven't seen a Fast and Furious movie since the very first one came out in theaters in 2000 or 2001... I guess now is as good a time as any other to break that streak.

Ahahahaha oh man, I love you guys.

When I first saw the preview for this movie, I thought it looked like hot garbage. Then I noticed it has a 76% on RT, and I was very curious about it. I never explored that further though.... Maybe its like a Crank 2 type of thing.

Hey, its that guy from Everybody Loves Raymond! I like Fred Stoller, great guest

http://fyi.earwolf.com/movie/771205918 Why the hell would somebody recommend this movie as racist rubbish? Thats REALLY missing the point, there. Anybody want to own this one?

thestray, on 11 May 2013 - 11:29 AM, said: 1. "The point is that the majority of films about fighting racism are told from a white perspective. Have you not noticed that? White people helped, SURE, TRUE, but why are THEY always the focus of OUR struggle?" If I wanted to be a jackass about this, I could copy/paste a cornucopia of literary and theatrical examples of where white people aren't the saviors. I'll just trust you know what these examples are already and chock this up to extended, erratic hyperbole. 2. Again, when talking in specific terms about this movie, I only can speak to the contents of the film. Its intent in its message can only be as malicious as it is perceived. Its funny, because I was raised for a large portion of my life in Japan, so when The Last Samurai came out, I laughed at the notion of Tom Cruise in a savior role. It didn't stop me from enjoying the film. Hell I found it rather enjoyable, all the way through that ridiculous ending where the white guy was the only one impervious to a howitzer. It never diminished my experience with the rest of the film, I simply took it in as a movie to entertain, not a teaching tool of the end of the Meiji era. If I examined the world of entertainment in THOSE terms, I would be satisfied by nothing. There is nothing stopping you, or anyone else, from reading/making/watching films or books on lesser told tales. It makes no sense to use a movie like The Help to get on some epic soap box to condemn people not having ever heard about the Springfield Lynchings or whatever other litany of examples may exist. The central point of contention seems, to me, to be "Why are white people the focus of black struggle, it diminishes the role of blacks and is not historically accurate!". To which my counter point was only to say "It IS historically accurate, depending on what example of history you wish to pluck from". The inherit problem with this misplaced rage is that you are focusing it on an intensely minuscule, random, isolated, oh and by the way largely fictional abstraction. What about movies that ARE historically accurate and based on non-fiction? What weight do those pieces have against something like The Help? I submit; NOTHING, and vice versa is the same as well. As an aside; we're talking about a film that is only being discussed because it was put up on a site that prominently displays its Rotten Tomatoes score (to serve as some barometer to a movie's potential worth to THIS COMEDY PODCAST, READ: NOT "REAL TALK WITH TAVIS SMILEY") as well as its own Trash Can and Hash Tag metrics for measuring the films worth to the show. You want to know why I mention RT? Well... <----- 3. Your definition of whitewash is a bit off, so let me help you out a bit; Quote anything,asdeceptivewordsoractions, used tocoveruporglossoverfaults,errors,or wrongdoings,orabsolveawrongdoerfromblame. Whitewashing is different from what you claim that revisionist history does. Omitting information is not inherently deceptive; for starters, you'd have to identify intent. Sometimes information is omitted simply because the author just flat out doesn't know about it. Whitewashing is an active feat of deception typically to achieve some ends. If what you are saying is that there are movies that are actively attempting to undermine and rewrite American history with an intent on diminishing black roles and expanding white roles... well, you won't get an argument from me on that. The point of my argument has always been limited to this movie, and in THESE SPECIFIC TERMS: 1. In regards to its application for use in a comedy podcast based on Bad Movies, I don't think The Help reaches the criteria that we typically see on this show. The film, for all intents and purposes, and perhaps in spite of some people's cultural objections to it, is widely regarded as a good movie. 2. The tag "#racistrubbish" being applied flippantly to the film could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Knowing what we know about the bad movies they do on this, again, COMEDY PODCAST, accusations of racism usually comes from more evident and extreme displays of buffoonery, ham-fistedness, or just flat out supremacistic. Whatever the perceived racism of The Help, I could not fit into those categories myself. More to the point... 3. The reaction of my concerns on the response to this film seems to deal way more with what people perceive to be the message of the movie rather than the actual content or execution of the film. I reference the RT scores again because we are using this as a basis to choose a film for this NOT-CORNEL-WEST-HOSTED COMEDY PODCAST. Arguing about the message of "white savior" as an appropriate entryway into this film seemed flimsy at best to me. This isn't even a very strong example of white saviorism (Dangerous Minds anyone? Sunset Park??). And you know what? You're probably right. A movie about black maids likely wouldn't have been made if Emma Stone wasn't in it. To the author's credit, it likely wouldn't have happened also if the book hadn't been a New York Times best seller. If you want to talk about differences between the book and the film, in order to get the film greenlit and made, be my guest. Like I said, I never read it so I don't know. Sometimes I think that people look at the wrong things when trying to find a target for their rage. I mean seriously, a property's propensity to sell is what drives how things are made more than some perceived nefarious plot to "get the black man!" I mean shit, Precious got made, right? A movie about a fat black girl, I mean who cares right?? The Jackie Robinson biopic got made, right? I'm not even sure if people these days even remember who he is! But they get made, and if your gripe is that there aren't enough, or they aren't being made respectfully enough, then perhaps you should be directing your ire towards the studios funding Transformers (and CC Oprah on that, too) rather than a Bad Movie Comedy Podcast directed towards a generally good movie because you don't like how the white lady was portrayed. And if all you're watching are movies where white people are always the heroes, then perhaps you need to broaden your Netflix queue (or stop watching whats on Netflix altogether). Those movies do exist too, beyond Will Smith. I've gone on too long, my food has gotten cold, and my Star Trek Next Generation marathon was put on pause for far more than my liking. This is the last I'll speak on this topic, for sho'.

If you're trusting movies as a history book, that's your problem. Not the movie's. I guess Abraham Lincoln really did have a time about him with those vampires, too. More to the point, and again I must say I haven't read the book, is the nature of the story being told in conjunction with the book. Believe it or not, not every black person was as "militant" as Malcolm X or as openly defiant as MLK. There were plenty who thought it prudent to keep their noses down, their jobs secure, their friends and families safe, and let others do the marching for them. Perhaps this isn't the most heroic portrayal of the struggle (though it would still be in keeping with realism), but I would wonder if it is keeping with the tone and tenor of the book. At its worst, its a shoddy adaptation of an otherwise good book, not a gross misrepresentation and distortion of revisionist history.

You DO realize that, historically speaking, white people HAVE been a part of civil rights protests and actions, right? You DO realize that everything that black people (and other minorities) fought wasn't fought in a raceless vacuum, right? It would be like saying that its absurd to think that a straight person would stand up for gay rights, or have any involvement with the LGBT equality movement, because their involvement somehow deludes the message or makes it irrelevant. This is almost like some form of Super White Guilt, where relevant contributions can't even be hinted at without the idea that its the White Devil™ trying to take all the credit and belittle the minorities struggle.

Even if you want to talk about it in terms of "white savior" films, The Help is a (highly lauded at 76/90% RT) lame-at-best entry in a psuedo-genre that has given us a WEALTH of delightful gems. I've never read the book, maybe I'll ask my mom about it. She loved the book. But even if the "white savior" aspect was shoehorned in, historically speaking, I am not going to be personally quick to shout it down as being overtly racist. There were plenty of white people in the civil rights movement who did speak out and stand up for equality for blacks, and were murdered for it. The 50s and 60s may not have been that long ago, but it was worlds apart from the situation we live in now. It may seem like a no brainer now to be a part of the civil rights movement, but back then, especially if you were white defending blacks in the deep south, it was serious shit. Sometimes in films like this, the white character is used as a sort of AVATAR (another lame ass white savior movie) for people who ask themselves "if I lived back during the civil rights era, would I stick up for my black friends knowing it could ruin my life if not kill me?" Besides, if we REALLY want to talk about lame ass white savior movies (and I do think that needs to become a tag on FYI if its not already), then how do we escape from The Air Up There? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyNbGkNQO70

Which is INSANE for a pg-13 teen dance flick.

http://www.munkyourself.com/us/ Go munk yourself.

My favorite episode. This is awesome.

Whoa, this is one fancy-ass site. Kudos, it will be flooded with shit movies in no time.

Watching terrible shit has been a curse of mine long before HDTGM was ever a thing. Hell I watched all of Paul Reiser's last sitcom. It used to be an easy thing with TV shows, they'd get canceled after 3 episodes and I'd be done. But on Netflix, its 13 episodes.... its all there. And on a night when I have nothing better to do....

I watched all 13 episodes of this, guys. Let me just say... Episodes 1-10 are complete garbage, awful shit. Episode 11 and 12 are kind of neat, things finally pick up, the story finally starts to move (still makes no sense, but at this point you won't care about that) and it actually becomes, dare I say, fun. Episode 13 is completely fucking nuts. The show's most fatal flaw is exposed in the season finale; it has absolutely NO pacing. 10 episodes of nothing happening, and suddenly in episode 13, EVERYTHING IN THE GALAXY HAPPENS. Its like some producer got railed on coke, got super frustrated with the slow pace, and then wrote episode 13 himself to wrap it all up in a hurry. There is SO much that happens in 13, so many crazy ass revelations and characters dying left and right, resolutions to shit that happened 8 or 9 episodes ago, things being set up for the future... it doesn't even feel like an episode of TV. It feels like a season synopsis montage, like you'd see before the season premier of Game of Thrones or something to remind you of everything that happened last season. Brian McGreevy shouldn't even be allowed to write his own Facebook updates.