Cameron H.

Say what you will about Millennials and our attention spans, but I'm pretty sure that we can enjoy watching fancy water skiing without also having Bavarian folk dancing and clowns rolling around in mud pits in the foreground. I honestly have no idea what type of show the guests were supposed to be watching.

You keep accusing Overman of being an alcoholic, but by your own admission, he was the only person NOT at the bar! If he was so incompetent and crippling in his addiction, why didn’t he cut out with everyone else? That certainly doesn’t sound like the actions of a person doing the “bare minimum” to me. No, instead Overman was out there securing the perimeter, on his own dime and with his own shitty equipment, just to make doubly sure it was done right. Yes, he might have been bending the rules, but if in 1773 the Sons of Liberty didn’t break the “rules and regulations” of Great Britain and throw that tea into Boston Harbor, Americans would be eating Welsh rabbit and spotted dicks to this day. Sometimes, for the greater good, we’ve got to break the rules. I mean, as long as we’re questioning people’s work ethic, why was Mike out drinking instead of making sure the incredibly important job he had assigned for his crew got done? It seems to me like the only person at Sea World doing their goddamn job was Overman... Overman: American Patriot

HARD DISAGREE! First of all, if Mike is keeping incompetent employees on the payroll just to be “cool,” I’d argue that makes him a pretty shitty boss. How is it fair to any of his other employees if they’re constantly being asked to pick up Overman’s slack or fix his fuck ups? That kind of buddy-buddy managerial style breeds low morale. A manager should lead by example and rewards should be allotted based on merit and ability. And regardless, there doesn’t appear to be an real evidence to suggest that Overman isn’t good at his job. Had a dumbass, 1,200 lbs baby shark not head butted it’s stupid face into his fence, it would have worked flawlessly. It’s not his fault for failing to predict such a ridiculous thing might occur - especially considering Great Whites aren’t native to Florida. Secondly, if you relisten to the overtime scene, you can hear the other employees cheer when he asks for it and groan when it’s denied. I think it’s pretty clear that the overtime request wasn’t just for him. Overman was just looking out for his buddies. And what does he do when he realizes his co-workers won’t make any extra bank? He stays late to get the job done BY HIMSELF. And what does he get for all his trouble? No overtime. No glory. He just gets eaten by a fake ass shark and posthumously accused of being an incompetent and a drunk by his former friend and boss. We should all be so lucky to work with a man like Overman. Overman: Hero of the Working Class!

There were a few things that bothered me about the initial hunt for Baby Shark. First of all, I had a real issue with them hunting for the shark at night. I really didn’t feel like that was a fantastic idea. It's a fenced in lagoon. It's not like it's going anywhere. Also, according to the website Sharks-World, Great Whites are active both day and night, so it wasn't like this was a particularly strategic time of day to go after it. The only argument I could think of was that they didn't want to have to shut down the park to hunt for it during the day, but then I remembered that this was all occurring during a special Preview week and the park was only open to "friends and family." So, it's not like the park would be losing any money if it shut down for a couple of hours to take care of a legitimate safety concern. In fact, you could say ironing out the parks kinks - like maybe taking care of a ten foot Murder shark - is precisely the reason to have a Preview week in the first place. Another thing that bothered me is when one of the the people on the boat is handing Dr Kathryn the tranquilizer to subdue the shark, he tells her that the dosage is a "guesstimate." Motherfucker, I'm about to swim around in the dark looking forward baby shark that wants me dead. Don't give me your bull shit portmanteaus! I want real science delivered to me like a goddamn professional! Finally, did anyone else notice that Mike pushes Kathryn into the water by fully face palming her? Look, I'm scared. I don't know if I'm going to come back from this or not (she nearly doesn't). I don't know if the last thing I want to remember about my S.O. before I die is the thought of their shit eating grin as they shove their hand in my face and push me into an inky black lagoon of death. I mean, maybe he's just trying to keep it loose, but given the situation, I'm sure an "I love you, be careful" wouldn't have been totally unwelcome.

Oh, she's well aware of this.

I think they're just dividers. There's a logo on one that says, "PrivaSEA." Guests can probably rent them or something to separate themselves from the riff raff. (Incidentally, I was checking this on my lap top while sitting next to my wife. The whole scene is pretty dimly and the logo lit right behind Lea Thompson as she's removing her clothes. I had to pause the shot to read the logo and now I'm being accused of "perving out." Thanks, man.)

Considering that they apparently allow their employees the full run of the park at night so they can fuck in the lagoon and get into other zany hijinks, I'm going to guess that security wasn't exactly one of Sea World's primary concerns.

More like, Boats! Boats! Boats! amiright? We watched:

I'm sorry for your family's loss.

I guess I’ve become sort of obsessed with the survivability of certain movie scenarios – particularly if such scenarios can be tested to some degree. In the case of Jaws 3, my main concern was with the amount of air available to the guests trapped by Mama Jaws in the underwater tunnel. So, let’s math it out! Admittedly, we don’t have a ton of information, but based on what we’re told in the movie, here’s what we know: there are 50 people trapped, the tunnel is cylindrical, and the chamber is airtight. We don’t know exactly how long the tunnel is, but it turns out that Sea World actually has a similar shark tunnel and it is 60 ft long. Granted, since this is a movie about a fictional theme park, I would guess the tunnel depicted would be quite a bit more impressive. So, let’s go ahead and round it up and say it’s about 100 ft long. The tube is also quite wide. From what we see, it’s at least wide enough at least for three or four people to walk comfortably side by side. In that case, I’d say a fair estimate for the tunnel’s width to be around 12ft. So now we can use this formula to figure out the volume of a cylinder. Which works out to be: V = 100 ft x 3.14 x 6 ft squared with a solution of 11,304 cubic feet. However, it’s important to note that the tunnel in which the people are trapped is about half full of water, so we should divide our total in half, which gives Jaws’ submerged hostages approximately 5,652 cubic feet of breathable air. Next we must determine how much air the average person consumes. According to this site, the average person consumes about 11 liters of air per minute while standing still. However, I would guess that in a crisis people would consume slightly more than that. Let's say maybe 12 liters per minute. That means that each person in that tube is breathing roughly 720 liters per hour. Times that by 50 people, and that comes to 36,000 liters per hour! Now we have to convert liters into cubic ft - which I’ve happily done (5,652ft³= 160,047L) So, 50 people burning through 160,047 liters of air at a rate of 36,000 liters per hour gives this group of people just under 4.5 hours of breathable air! Which I think everyone will agree, isn’t exactly super-duper - especially when you consider that we know that the people were trapped sometime in the afternoon (or at least, early enough in the day that people were still out sunbathing). We also know, because the movie shows us, that they’re rescued just before dawn the next morning. So, the question is: do they survive? No, of course they don’t Even if we were to choose a specific day to maximize their odds of survival, let’s say a day with higher than average daylight with the earliest possible sunrise, their prospects aren't great. According to this site, in Orlando in 1983, the best day for this disaster to occur would have probably been between June 14th – 16th when the sun rose at 6:27 AM and set at 8:24 PM. That means that even had they been trapped right at the very last second of daylight (which we know isn’t true) those people would have sadly run out of air sometime around 1:00 in the morning. Even if we increase our estimate of the cylinder’s diameter to, say, 15 ft, it really doesn’t extend their odds of survival beyond a couple of extra hours. No, it’s far more likely that those poor sons of bitches became permanent tourist attractions in Sea World’s haunted undersea tunnel. (Assuming of course, they didn’t die of hypothermia first…)

I think that it's kind of bullshit that when we first meet Quaid's character he's being a piece of crap by denying his employees any overtime to take care of a legitimate security emergency. Shelby Overman, the hunky, mustachioed beefcake who becomes baby Jaws' first victim, dies padlocking an underwater gate all by himself, sans scuba gear, working at night, without even the promise of time and a half. That's some fucking horse shit. American workers deserve fair wages for an honest day's work! (Speaking of Quaid as a shitty boss, there was also a small moment that made me crack up. I'm not sure if I can do it justice here, but I just wanted to share. In the scene where he and his men are trying to put together something to fix the underwater tunnel, as he is speaking to his girlfriend, he breaks off their conversation to yell to another employee "Watch how you're cutting that! It's critical!" The thing is, it's not really clear who he's even talking to and none of the extras respond to him, so the whole effect makes him look like a crazy person. I don't know, I just found it kind of hilarious. It felt like Quaid was improvising, but no one was bothering to yes/and him.)

Sure, I get that. Like, Quaid was traumatized as a child so he’s devoted his life to the construction of super max prisons for fish.

My favorite part of the Coral Thief Murders was after Jaws ate them, he ate their boat - thus destroying the evidence! It was pretty much the perfect crime...

It’s worth pointing out that Quaid’s character does in fact refer to Great White Sharks as “murderers” - which is an absolutely insane thing to call an animal. They’re just animals. It’s not their fault. Peter Benchley himself has famously become an ardent defender of sharks in response to this kind of thinking, feeling that his book and the original movie gave people the false impression that all sharks were dangerous and should therefore be killed indiscriminately. At least, his was an accident based on ignorance. This movie is straight up like, “Great Whites? Oh yeah, they’re fucking psychos, bro. They need to die!” But, yeah, I agree. Based on his personal history, Quaid’s career trajectory - and just his overall area of interest - is freaking bizarre. At least his brother moved to Colorado. That makes at least makes some sense. (That is, until he moves back to Amity Island, gets a job on the water, and is subsequently eaten by ANOTHER Great White shark...)

I may have only caught this because I watch with subtitles, but they say that they are trying to steal coral from the lagoon. One of them says that there’s a guy willing to pay up to $200 for a decent piece. It’s...pretty insane.

I started watching this last night, and haven’t listened to the episode yet, but you are 100% correct.

I’ve never heard of that. I’ll have to check it out

Yeah, I’m starting to like this movie less and less...

It seems like more people can do it the twelfth so we will do it then Thanks everyone!

Huh, I just chalked that up to the helicopter having rescued a couple of other dudes down river. I didn’t even consider it might be a goof.

I agree with both @DanEngler and @sycasey 2.0, however, what I think sets The Deer Hunter apart from Platoon and Apocalypse Now is that The Deer Hunter isn’t so much about the Vietnam War as it is about PTSD. For me, that gives it a perspective that argues for its inclusion. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other movies on the list tackle that issue (maybe Best Years of Our Lives, but I haven’t seen that yet)

It’s funny, while I still feel like the movie should be on the list (or, at least, I’m not frothing at the mouth either way), I found that my opinion on this viewing (my second) falls somewhere between Amy’s and Paul’s. On the one hand, I liked it more than Apocalypse Now and I appreciated a lot about it, but I definitely felt Paul’s criticisms. It just feels like it takes so long for it to get going. I mean, yeah, I get the argument that if you cut a lot of the wedding stuff the rest of the film suffers, but that’s only if you cut the wedding scene as is and don’t attempt to rewrite the scene more economically. I also felt like Michael was “too perfect.” I get the argument that he was flawed and had his issues, but he was still always right. He was always the most put together. The most humble. It was clear that the movie wanted you walking away thinking “now that’s a man.” My other complaint was that - in a way - the whole movie felt like a play that was too big for the stage. There’s often a heavy-handedness in theater that we forgive based on its limitations. Characters tend to speak in purple prose and dense exposition. Character types are exaggerated. If there’s a “drunk bro type” he’s the drunkest, bro-iest type there ever was and resembles nothing like what actually exists in the real world. All of that stuff is present in The Deer Hunter, when it really doesn’t have to be. They characters felt more like outlines rather than three dimensional. #FuckingA

Have fun! Going anywhere interesting?

On my Elvis movies list, Love a Little is my number two movie! (Mostly because it was cuckoo bananas)

It felt like it was pretty common. Maybe he shouldn’t have been so quick to turn her down if he needed the money so bad.