Episode 9 — Michael Moore

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Documentarian, author, and important person Michael Moore joins Jeff to chat about possibly being slipped something on his plane ride to the show, why newspapers do so well in Europe, and how he’s never used the c-word. They also talk about their disdain of the 11 o’clock news, the magic of Los Angeles, and learning what to not do from watching bad movies. Michael also shares stories about Stanley Kubrick, being on a hit list, and having O.J. Simpson on his talk show pilot a month after the murder trial.

[Gym Sockerman 1326]

My dad.

[DanEngler 5249]

My wife.

[pbnews 93]

"Moore Moore MOORE! How'd'ya like it? How'd'ya like Michael Moore?!"

 

--The Washington Monu-gents

 

 

 

"So you're just saying his name?"

 

--Aziz

[AaronSinger_29251 578]

oh my freaking god. is there anyone Jeff doesn't know?

[Uterine Helmet 81]

My dad.

 

I believe it's pronounced "My dy-ad."

[daveB from Oakland 364]

Oh man, I'd love to see that pilot episode with Michael and OJ. I got kinda bored when Michael elaborated on his OJ theories, but the part where he actually got to interview him on TV was hilarious.

[Joe F. 38]

Oh man, I'd love to see that pilot episode with Michael and OJ. I got kinda bored when Michael elaborated on his OJ theories, but the part where he actually got to interview him on TV was hilarious.

 

Yeah, I think that is partially why Jeff was laughing, because he thought he was just going to tell that part of the story. Instead he said that he would tell the cliff notes version and then elaborated every detail.

[therealjayknox 26]

Disappointed this huckster and harmful deceiver gets 2 hours on what is an excellent podcast. Unlike Moore I will give a rational non-conspiracy theory explanation for myself:

 

I live and work in Mainland China. Better yet, one of my friends out there works in one of those Apple factories. So let's establish something:

Factory jobs are HARD WORK. Millions of Americans work in factories in the USA and factories (shocker) are often loud and dusty and very ugly looking. Oh dear they have like.. just steel and concrete floors and are totally scary looking!

Actually a good many California factories are old, ugly, damp, filthy and horrible.

 

But the ones in Mainland China are, on the whole, MORE MODERN, CLEANER AND BETTER THAN USA FACTORIES ON THE WHOLE,

and,

These are good jobs for Chinese workers.

1. They are jobs.

2. They are reasonably well paying entry-level factory jobs relative to their economy.

3. Michael Moore and Jeff Garland have contributed to HURTING THESE CHINESE WORKERS.

 

About the debunked lie of 'suicide nets'.

They are NOT 'suicide nets'.

If you still believe they are suicide nets then thats amazing since I've seen such nets and a 90 pound human being would break through them like they didn't exist.

Did you see pictures?

Yep. Counterfeiting and 'corporate spying' is big business in China. (so is employee theft in general) but in this case the nets are there for a purpose EVERYONE IN CHINA knows - to prevent 'flinging' small parts out windows.

With 2,500 people on a shift - it's very easy to get 30 key components 'flicked' out a window into a parking lot where a cohort scoops them up.

It's been said this technique has resulted in 'clone devices' being counterfeited within 48 hours!

They are not 'suicide nets'.

 

Now.. what HAS HURT Chinese workers making iPhones for the liberal-progressive Apple and its many Occupy Wall Street customers?

Jeff and Michael spreading absolute false rumours about the factory.

And it happened.

You see, the typical iphone making Chinese person is probably a younger unskilled 'immigrant' from Chinas rural areas. These might be 3rd world conditions.

(My wifes village still has no electricity, no internet outside cell phones and 1 toilet outside.. which is a hole in the ground).

These 'immigrant workers' absolutely want these jobs! These jobs will dramatically improve their standard of living and give them an excellent start to a career.

They go there as our gas and oil people go to 'camp'.

They sign up 6-month or 10 month contracts which include dorms which look like every other dorm in China AND are better than their homes.

The goal is to make and save as much cash possible. When they return home they will dramatically IMPROVE THEIR VILLAGE or home or family's economic conditions.

The more over-time the better.

The more hours the better.

They WANT to earn their way up the ladder to 14 hour days.

 

But you see.. a lot of Michael Moore types put so much shame and pressure on Apple that they ordered companies to REDUCE HOURS for the workers.

Who were very offended and hurt by that.

Who now have to stay longer to earn as much.

Who were counting on those earnings to dramatically improve their savings.

 

So that is how Moore spreads lies and deception and how that HURTS POOR PEOPLE.

 

Oh and by the way - Roger (of Roger and Me) invited him to meet in-person TWO TIMES before the film was finished.

2 times.

[DanEngler 5249]

(My wifes village still has no electricity, no internet outside cell phones and 1 toilet outside.. which is a hole in the ground).

My wife.

[BagguhMcGuirk 104]

Just because people have shitty lives doesn't make it ok to take advantage of that. It's the governments responsiblity to protect workers, even from themselves. When your life is shit you're willing to do anything to improve it, including work yourself to death. And just because they say they're happy to work 14 hours doesn't mean they are, it just means they're so scared to lose their job they'll say anything.

 

There are over a billion people there and companies know they can treat employees any way they want because for every one they lose you hae hundreds more than ready to take their place. If the government doesn't step in companies will continue to treat employees with no regard for their health or well being, and improving their lives from super shitty to just shitty.

[pbnews 93]

My wife.

 

Cakeboss.

[Gym Sockerman 1326]

Disappointed this huckster and harmful deceiver gets 2 hours on what is an excellent podcast. Unlike Moore I will give a rational non-conspiracy theory explanation for myself:

 

I live and work in Mainland China. Better yet, one of my friends out there works in one of those Apple factories. So let's establish something:

Factory jobs are HARD WORK. Millions of Americans work in factories in the USA and factories (shocker) are often loud and dusty and very ugly looking. Oh dear they have like.. just steel and concrete floors and are totally scary looking!

Actually a good many California factories are old, ugly, damp, filthy and horrible.

 

But the ones in Mainland China are, on the whole, MORE MODERN, CLEANER AND BETTER THAN USA FACTORIES ON THE WHOLE,

and,

These are good jobs for Chinese workers.

1. They are jobs.

2. They are reasonably well paying entry-level factory jobs relative to their economy.

3. Michael Moore and Jeff Garland have contributed to HURTING THESE CHINESE WORKERS.

 

About the debunked lie of 'suicide nets'.

They are NOT 'suicide nets'.

If you still believe they are suicide nets then thats amazing since I've seen such nets and a 90 pound human being would break through them like they didn't exist.

Did you see pictures?

Yep. Counterfeiting and 'corporate spying' is big business in China. (so is employee theft in general) but in this case the nets are there for a purpose EVERYONE IN CHINA knows - to prevent 'flinging' small parts out windows.

With 2,500 people on a shift - it's very easy to get 30 key components 'flicked' out a window into a parking lot where a cohort scoops them up.

It's been said this technique has resulted in 'clone devices' being counterfeited within 48 hours!

They are not 'suicide nets'.

 

Now.. what HAS HURT Chinese workers making iPhones for the liberal-progressive Apple and its many Occupy Wall Street customers?

Jeff and Michael spreading absolute false rumours about the factory.

And it happened.

You see, the typical iphone making Chinese person is probably a younger unskilled 'immigrant' from Chinas rural areas. These might be 3rd world conditions.

(My wifes village still has no electricity, no internet outside cell phones and 1 toilet outside.. which is a hole in the ground).

These 'immigrant workers' absolutely want these jobs! These jobs will dramatically improve their standard of living and give them an excellent start to a career.

They go there as our gas and oil people go to 'camp'.

They sign up 6-month or 10 month contracts which include dorms which look like every other dorm in China AND are better than their homes.

The goal is to make and save as much cash possible. When they return home they will dramatically IMPROVE THEIR VILLAGE or home or family's economic conditions.

The more over-time the better.

The more hours the better.

They WANT to earn their way up the ladder to 14 hour days.

 

But you see.. a lot of Michael Moore types put so much shame and pressure on Apple that they ordered companies to REDUCE HOURS for the workers.

Who were very offended and hurt by that.

Who now have to stay longer to earn as much.

Who were counting on those earnings to dramatically improve their savings.

 

So that is how Moore spreads lies and deception and how that HURTS POOR PEOPLE.

 

Oh and by the way - Roger (of Roger and Me) invited him to meet in-person TWO TIMES before the film was finished.

2 times.

 

You seem fun.

[Shakesbeard 61]

Is there anybody willing to put in the time to extract the OJ Simpson portion and upload it to YouTube? I would but don't know how.

[Tor_Hershman 14]

Yeah, O.J. on the air, that sounds about quotidian.

 

You can see Tom Snyder interview Charlie Manson BUT NOT Doug Kenney.

 

The bee-eat goes on.