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Episode 179 — Racist Caricatures In Sci-Fi


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#1 July Diaz

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:28 PM

Composer, pianist, and music producer Jay Israelson joins Andrew Ti on this fine Monday to discuss racist caricatures in science fiction movies & television. Be sure to call us at (323) 389-RACE to ask if anything is racist.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:57 PM

This was a massively ignorant episode. Worthless.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:41 AM

Andrew is right that in sci-fi the humans are always represented by white people, specifically white men. I love sci-fi, but this has always been a sore point with me. There are some authors out there who trying to broaden the scope of what a sci-fi "human" is by adding people of color, etc, but for the most part it is a genre dominated by white male characters.

Also, this is going to be a long week. This guest reminds me of the other musician Andrew had on, the one who sounded like he took 20 sleeping pills and then decided to do the podcast.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:25 AM

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:49 AM

...didn't the Time Traveller bro help the petite, beautiful eloi kill the ape-like morlocks?

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:09 AM

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There's famous stuff like Dune that shows the white feudal lords on top having their entire culture basically overthrown by the desert future Muslims.


More like Space Persians (see: "Padishah") overthrown by Space Bedouins.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:42 AM

Just, stop. Please. This show is a stain on the otherwise A+ material of Earwolf.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:37 PM

Wow, fewer sci-fi fans have showed up to complain than metalheads from a few weeks back.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 02:42 PM

View PostShariq Torres, on 24 June 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Andrew is right that in sci-fi the humans are always represented by white people, specifically white men. I love sci-fi, but this has always been a sore point with me. There are some authors out there who trying to broaden the scope of what a sci-fi "human" is by adding people of color, etc, but for the most part it is a genre dominated by white male characters.


Really? Most of the far-future space opera I've read seems to hand out names in such a way as to suggest a diverse cast, often not even matching physical descriptions. Asian names for dark skinned characters, Irish names for characters with asian features, made up names that don't match any particular culture. Near-future stuff more often has alliances/planets/stations/etc of one culture, but certainly not "always white".

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 03:26 PM

Episodes like this are depressing because they make me realize that Andrew doesn't know very much--about history or culture or almost anything. Does he know that Star Trek was one of the only shows Martin Luther King allowed his children to watch because the Uhuru character was portrayed as an equal to the white characters?

Science Fiction has always been a place where racial politics could be extrapolated, satirized or seen through metaphor. And what about Samuel Delany or Octavia Butler or "Brother From Another Planet" or the current Will Smith movie?

The Star Wars movies are pretty racist, but it's ironic that this episode came out the same day George Lucas married a black woman.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

View PostCracktivity, on 24 June 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Episodes like this are depressing because they make me realize that Andrew doesn't know very much--about history or culture or almost anything.


You did hear the episodes about his crappy free-range school, right?

View Postpfchangs, on 24 June 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

...didn't the Time Traveller bro help the petite, beautiful eloi kill the ape-like morlocks?


I remember him abandoning them, and then he ended up in the crab-future.

View PostShariq Torres, on 24 June 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Also, this is going to be a long week. This guest reminds me of the other musician Andrew had on, the one who sounded like he took 20 sleeping pills and then decided to do the podcast.


I like when he can bounce off the more passive guests and really shine, but it still doesn't beat KING FUCK OF SHIT MOUNTAIN

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:19 PM

View Postdlo burns, on 24 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

I remember him abandoning them, and then he ended up in the crab-future.


Can you explain to me what you're referencing? Because, racist or not, I can't continue to live my life without witnessing the crab-future.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:43 PM

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:40 PM

these racist caricatures are very racist imo

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:51 PM

View PostJoshie, on 24 June 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:


http://www.bartleby.com/1000/11.html

he loses his time machine to the morlocks, asks the eloi for help, they've lost any sense of human spirit or interest in doing anything not hedonistic, he goes underground to face the morlocks, they set up his time machine as an ambush, because they don't know he can use to escape, so he jumps in, goes like 30 million years in the future, and intelligent life his died out and there's just like, horrible crabs and poison plants that far in the future


Or maybe he just ended up in Australia who knows.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:38 AM

View PostMatt Miller, on 24 June 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:


Really? Most of the far-future space opera I've read seems to hand out names in such a way as to suggest a diverse cast, often not even matching physical descriptions. Asian names for dark skinned characters, Irish names for characters with asian features, made up names that don't match any particular culture. Near-future stuff more often has alliances/planets/stations/etc of one culture, but certainly not "always white".



I guess we've read different stuff then. The things I've read are usually from a white male's perspective. I haven't read too many where the protagonist is not white.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

Even the protag of Starship Troopers is Filipino.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 09:17 AM

View PostHyde Parker, on 25 June 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Even the protag of Starship Troopers is Filipino.


Yeah, it always cracked me up that Johnny Rico from Buenos Aires was played by a white guy named Casper.*



*Before anyone jumps on me, I am aware many people in Argentina have lighter-skin and that there's a huge European influence there.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 09:29 AM

Also, racism does have a presence in Sci-Fi just like it has a presence in every other genre. I think when it pops up in Sci-Fi it tends to be more disappointing because Sci-Fi as a genre is supposed to be forward-thinking and progressive. So when Star Trek normally tries so hard to be non-racist and then manages to be racist anyway (like this episode - http://en.wikipedia....ext_Generation) - ugh, this episode), it ends up being way more disappointing than when some random Syfy movie does it.