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  1. Posted

    So I haven't had a chance to see the movie yet. I know they go to Samoa but are they going to the country Samoa or the American Samoa territory? 

    Fun facts the country of Samoa has no military and should they need an army relies on New Zealand's military.  

    Ironically the American Samoa territory has the largest U.S military enlistment than any other state or territory. However citizens of America Samoa cannot vote for President, and are not considered nationalized citizens at birth. It's truly fucked up.

     

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  4. Posted

    23 hours ago, Elektra Boogaloo said:

    Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata's podcast had June and Casey on this week (still waiting for the ep with Paul and Jason) and it is very good and I highly recommend. You get to hear more about June's clowning.

    And about the greatest gift Casey ever got her! 

    Hint it involves a pizza but no music in the harsh Sunday light of day.

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  5. Posted

    5 hours ago, taylorannephoto said:

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    Surprise bitches I'm back.

    Since Hobbs & Shaw drops tomorrow I had to come back to reveal my thoughts, because oh boy do I have them lol. I'm very excited to bring back This Week In Feminism too, because even though I was gone for a few months does not mean I have changed a thing lol. Buckle up, y'all lol.

    I also had to come back once I heard them announce 2:22 because, while I have not seen that movie so I'm sure it is terrible, Michiel Huisman is my fucking man, y'all. Ever since I saw him on Orphan Black I have been in love with him, and he is a much better actor than I'm sure they will talk about so no matter what I have to defend this stupid movie. Go watch Hill House cause that is a much better representation of his skills lmao. But he's so hot y'all. He's just so hot.

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    THE QUEEN RETURNS!!!!!!

    May I be the first to welcome you back and offer you my still beating heart?

     

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  6. Posted

    On 8/4/2019 at 12:51 AM, DrGuts1003 said:

    So has anyone else watched these deleted and alternate scenes?

    There is some very interesting and revealing stuff.  Highlights include:

    • A different meet cute scene between Lizzie and Mickey at a bank (after she discovers that Charles has already removed her name from his bank account)
    • Lizzie meeting Mickey’s daughter during the meet cute
    • One of the imaginary friends eating the psychiatrist’s table
    • More upskirt peeping in the ladies’ room at the wine tasting party
    • And most important of all - a scene where Fred takes Lizzie to a place where all the imaginary friends live that VERY much resembles Monsters Inc.  And while they are there a “boss” says on a loudspeaker that Fred needs to report to his next child immediately.

     

    These actually made me like the movie more? I would have preferred this version of the film. It even made Mickey likeable

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  7. Posted

    I mentioned it in the other thread but I loved Spice World as a kid . I don't think it's a masterpiece of cinema, it's absolutely perfect for this podcast, but I was sad that they didn't seem to get its fun kooky vibe.  I thought I would be in for a fun happy time of tomfoolery ala The Room or any of the other ridiculous but fun movies we have seen. It's not a gem like Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night 2 but I did think that they seemed to not get the vibe. It's camp! It's fun! It's Spice World!

    Now if anyone needs me I will be blaring Say You'll Be There and other works of musical genius out of my TARDIS like tour bus.

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    So out curiosity what's your Drop Dead Fred of the movies we have covered or a movie that we should cover! Mine is Spice World. I fully think it's crazy but it's a FUN crazy that they seemed to hate. I don't know if it's because I loved it so much as a child but I was really disappointed by how they saw the movie.

    Fun fact I had a Spice Girls birthday complete with Spice Girls cups, plates, napkins, WRAPPING PAPER... the whole works. I got Posh and Baby Spice barbies as a gift I seem to recall.

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  14. Posted

    17 minutes ago, The_Triple_Lindy said:

    Most practical jokes are cruel. But either Fred is being cruel to Lizzie because he's a dick, or Lizzie dissociated in order to be cruel to herself because she's severely mentally unwell. 

    There's usually an element of silly playfulness though.  What's playful about making someone feel wanted and loved only to realize they aren't?

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  15. Posted

    50 minutes ago, Ofcoursemyhorse said:

    100% Team Fred. Blows my mind that Paul and Casey were defending the mother who was clearly awful, for all the reasons Jason, June listed. She constantly undermined her daughter, attacked her self confidence, blamed her for her marriage to an older philandering and emotionally abusive husband failing etc. But I think another aspect that I think they tried to make clear was that her mother decorated that house not to be lived in by a child. More importantly not her child. Her daughter has clearly always been a bit rambunctious and their house is still essentially a museum that they live in. Her mom has never been interested in learning about who her daughter actually is, or at all altering her life or perspective to connect with her daughter in any meaningful way. 

    Dad is also clearly a jerk for walking out on his daughter, which I think they also used as a way to show why she was so desperate to make her marriage work despite how awful Tim Matheson was.  Matheson also seemed like a clear and disturbing stand in for her father who walked out on her. 

    If you're Team Sanity you have to understand you're on the side of a domineering mother, creepy Tim Matheson, Annabella, and a nurse who threatened her ward with physical violence.

    I'm Team Sanity because I think Fred is a real individual separate from Elizabeth.I think that the invisible friends are real magical beings who are supposed to help children. I think he was trapped in the Jack in the box for years and couldn't move on to another child, which he eventually does. I also think think that Fred is an awful friend and a total asshole. I think he was somewhat helpful when Elizabeth was a child and he let her find an outlet for her rage and taught her the value of rebellion but I also think he endangered her and encouraged her to do things that she shouldn't simply for the thrill of destruction and chaos.

    as Elizabeth's adult friend he's fucking terrible. He hurts her physically and emotionally, hurts  or tried to hurt those who she loves and who love her back ( Carrie Fisher and Mickey), tries to ruin new relationships with people she really likes ( Mickey), absolutely will not listen to her when she says no or asks him to stop , frankly I don't think that Fred would know consent if it smashed his head into a fridge door.

    I categorically do not approve of Charles. He's a useless, abusive, dull witted, boring fuckboy who most likely only fucks in missionary ( maybe he lets his partner on top of he's feeling spicy) who only thinks of himself and if he wasn't married probably would have his mom do his laundry because there's no way that entitled fuckwit has ever done anything of value in the home. Or anywhere for that matter. Guaranteed both Annabella and Elizabeth are faking their orgasms.

    I also agree that the mother is abusive. I don't think she's a good mother per say but having lived a similar experience I can say I understand her and I have a little empathy for her. 

    Add for the nurse it's not uncommon to have to restrain a patient. I don't think that what she said was called for though. If Elizabeth was in need of that level of care she should have been in inpatient.

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  16. Posted

    3 minutes ago, The_Triple_Lindy said:

    Interesting enough about the alternate ending.

    Everything you say is 100% accurate, but it doesn't discount that the movie goes out of its way to show other imaginary friends like Fred. Lizzie cannot see them -- this is a moment where we are completely in Fred's perspective. And in order for Fred to have a perspective, he must exist.

    Cogito ergo sum. 

    Again, this movie is trying to have its cake and eat it, too. I think everything you describe is what someone, somewhere wanted this movie to be, but then someone else decided to make it a kids' movie and the mental health allegory got ruined. Nevertheless, this is the final product that Hollywood presented us with, and it's ... it's just a mess. 

    The letter scene is a pivotal moment in this debate, because the interpretations of both sides to fit their arguments may equally be valid.

    If Fred is real, he wrote the letter and tricked Lizzie.

    If Fred is Lizzie, then Lizzie wrote the letter and sealed it in an envelope, opened and read it at a later time, responded to it as though she didn't write it, gets excited by it and shows it to others, then rushes over to meet the person who she tricked herself into thinking wrote it, and was heartbroken when he wasn't there because the person who wrote the letter was really herself. 

    Now, I'm not saying the second option isn't valid. But the work it takes to rationalize this is considerable. This is the behavior of someone who is completely untethered. She's not the kind of character to build a kids' movie around. 

    If we go with the option of Fred being real think how cruel that is. He KNOWS how much she wants to get back together with Charles and I feel like he knows about her abandonment issues as well. So to do that it's not a silly prank, it's activity hurting her and it's awful. There's no payoff for anyone but him.

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  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, The_Triple_Lindy said:

    It was the chaos and also the humiliation that gave me anxiety. The fact that so much of the humor was based on Lizzie being put into embarrassing or humiliating situations by the daemon limey monkey god.

    For me, it's why I don't like The Office. All the humor is Michael Scott debasing himself with cringe-worthy lack of self-awareness. Actually, I think DDF and The Office are a shared universe, where all of Michael Scott's bad behavior is being caused by his own Drop Dead Fred.

    I feel this deep in my bones. Second hand embarrassment causes almost a physical sensation of pain for me. I can't watch Curb Your Enthusiasm because of that. It's just too much. The Office and I go back and forth.

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  18. Posted

    Ok so outside the Team Sanity vs Team Fred discourse did this movie give anyone else anxiety? If you just simply watched it and were a experiencing this never ending deluge of destruction and gleeful  violence... It made me very uncomfortable. I don't like watching someone break something just because they can and upset someone or pull mean pranks for the same reason or because they think they are funny. I don't mind a gleeful prankster vibe. I love Jason and he plays that role a lot in stuff and I adore it every time. None of Fred's "games" were fun to me. For the most part it felt like they punched down not up. I understand why they did things to the mother but he hurts people Elizabeth likes and are kind to her.

    I think the thing that bothered me the most was he didn't listen, even when it mattered to her. When she said no or stop he kept going and pushing the joke. Like her date with Mickey. She really likes him, and thankfully ( I guess) he's a fucked up person who gets off on public outbursts. I was horrified by that scene. He took away her agency and control in a physical way vs what we had seen her mother do psychologically. 

    As an adult it felt like he only wanted to cause chaos. In her childhood I could see him showing her care and affection. If felt like he lacked that once he was freed. 

    I don't know.

    To quote Miss Coco Peru " It BOTHERED me! "

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  19. Posted

    17 hours ago, muttnik said:

    ::sympathetic internet hug::

    I also see myself in this movie, so do some folks on Twitter it appears. Club ADHD, anxiety, depression, and autism spectrum disorder reporting in. My mother was excited to have a daughter and for a while tried to dress me in cute clothes, fix my hair, the pink room with dollies; there were times where my behaviour and other family dynamics obviously frustrated her. Thankfully after a time when she realized I was not that girl at all, she supported me and let me be my own kid. My parents have never had a great relationship, but they're both so off I don't know who else would have either of them if they divorced (and neither are capable of independence). We have always been a very isolated family. My folks wanted me to have friends but never rolled out the welcome wagon to have anyone over. When I wasn't in a bubble of self-involvement I could definitely pick up on their tension and would retreat back into myself. School was great since the teachers loved me, but I never had any long-term friends. Friends either moved away, or I would say or do something wrong and they'd shut me out; one parent flat out told me I was a bad influence on his kids. That's messed up to hear at nine! Never once growing up did I feel normal or confident, and I couldn’t figure out why my life wasn’t what I thought it was supposed to be. I also have a strong logical side but am prone to magical whatifisms that the logical side has to drown out. I know I had at least one imaginary friend but I can't recall for the life of me what they were like. I was the kid playing with myself, talking to myself, tuning out the world. I spent all of my teenage years and twenties studying others and trying to be a different, regular person, to be what other people wanted me to be, and surrounding myself with the wrong people. Only recently have I really been able to be myself and be happy with who I am at my core.

    Yeah, I can see that. Honestly, I can see a past where the mother wasn't allowed to be her own person by convention, was pushed into a life she didn't want or wasn't prepared for. She's only working with the tools she has, and they aren't great. I appreciate the moment that the movie lets her be complex and not a cartoony villain.

    Uh are we the same person? So many parents hated me! I was also very imaginative and played alone a lot because I also had a hard time making friends . We moved a lot because my mom would get a better job in another pharmaceutical or blood banking company. I think that I only went start to finish in 4 grades without moving. (2,5,6,8th). 

    We've always came back to spend a lot of time with my grandparents who lived far out in the country so I guess in a sense we were an isolated family as well.

    Thankfully I have always loved to read so I was never that alone and in middle school a girl I originally hated became my friend and we've been best friends ever since. Even though we live in different states ( why must all my friends live elsewhere?!) We talk every day and are going to the Chicago show together! She's new to the podcast and I'm so excited to share this with her.

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  20. Posted

    I'm not going to lie there was a moment or two when I thought to it's "... Oh no can Drop Dead Fred Get It? I'm going to have to bury whatever this feeling is deep inside of me because I'm not emotionally capable of dealing with the ramifications of this." Is Drop Dead Fred the new Bad Ernest you guys?!

    My therapist and I WILL be discussing this movie don't you worry. It's been a slow week for me and frankly this movie left me rattled. I can't be attracted to Drop Dead Fred I REFUSE. It's gonna be this and the fact my friends are buying fanny packs and it's confusing me because I'm not filled with loathing. So maybe not such a slow week after all?

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  21. Posted

    So I'm about to get very personal. I saw myself in this movie.  I've always suffered from mental health issues. I now know I have extreme anxiety, depression and slight OCD . As a child my mom as a single mother and was working a very stressful high profile job as a quality auditor for a blood banking company. She would be gone for a week every other week traveling around the country. When she was home she worked late. I had a really hard time regulating my emotions and dealing with outbursts and fits. Some of it ( most of it)  was my anxiety and some was acting out for attention. My doctors ended up putting me on a bunch of medication that caused me to hallucinate and I had to be detoxed.

    I saw my mom in the Mothers frustration and it reminded me of when she was at the end of her rope because I had been sobbing uncontrollably for over an hour because she said " I love you more than the sun, the moon, and the stars " in the wrong order at bed time . I saw myself in Elizabeth making the mud pie in the time that I tried to make my paternal grandmother lemonade before she woke up with the lemons from her backyard by dumping everything in the kitchen together .  I was like 8 I should have known how to make lemonade, and I knew enough to wait for her. It's the only time she's ever yelled at me. 

    To me the movie could be viewed as a the story of a person whose on the spectrum, has adhd, really any number of mental illnesses or is neurodivergent.

    I don't think that the mother in this movie is evil, I think she doesn't understand how to parent a child who is different . In her mind Elizabeth is deliberately trying to hurt her and be destructive. She sees only malice and is at her wits end. Everything she has tried with her child to get her to "behave"  and be "normal" has failed and she's as unruly as ever.  We also have to look at her parenting through the time period. Elizabeth's childhood takes place in the 60's it's still very much a conservative time where children, especially girls, are supposed to listen to their parents and the idea of kids having agency is ridiculous. Hitting children was considered a normal punishment and no one would bat an eye. In fact people in her neighborhood probably thought her mom wasn't harsh enough. The methods her mother used out of anger and frustration are wrong. She is not a good mother, I'm not saying that.  I'm simply saying that I understand her. 

    Just as I understand Elizabeth. I know exactly how it feels to want to destroy everything in your reach because you can and it's the only way to make the adults in your life suffer as much as you are. I'm not sure it's healthy but God do I understand it. 

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  22. Posted

    1 hour ago, DrGuts1003 said:

    I was confused as to whether Lizzie was actually allergic to gladiolas or not.  If you notice, in every instance it is not until Fred points out that she is near the flowers that she starts sneezing.  If I walk into a person's house and they own cats, I will start sneezing automatically.  I don't need the owner to point out the fact that they own a cat for me to start sneezing.

    The film had a tendency to drop in a lot of weird things like that they never really had any pay off.  Like the fact that in the one flashback, the headline on the paper states that we just landed on the moon.  Why choose such an iconic moment in history as your headline if it has nothing to do with anything else?  That said, because of that information, that would make Lizzie close to 30 if the adult scenes are to have taken place in 1991.

    There's also the weird cop behavior after Lizzie and Fred go on their burglar trip.  They bust down the door of the house rather quickly and then immediately arrest the dad when there is no indication that he is the one who is actually robbing the place.  I briefly thought they were trying to suggest the dad ultimately left his family because he was tired of being the victim of Fred's and/or Lizzie's antics.

    The "meet-cute" scene with Lizzie and Ron Eldard also seems to suggest storylines that never come to fruition.  The way the scene is filmed, he sets down his attache/briefcase in the middle of the floor, making me think he wanted her to trip over it and bump into him.  The fact that he inspires Lizzie to discover Fred again and that his daughter has bonded with Fred made me think that he was communicating with or working with Fred in some capacity.  Ron Eldard says that his divorce happened a couple of years ago, so it is never clear why he is at the courthouse on the day he sees Lizzie.  And why was he carrying a document that had a picture of his daughter attached to it?

    I assume he was there for a child custody case?

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  23. Posted

    56 minutes ago, DrGuts1003 said:

    I agree that that would have been a better ending.  But if you're going to do the ending that they go with, then there needed to be more scenes with the daughter throughout the movie.  Show that her mother was similarly awful (hence why Ron Eldard got a divorce from her) and that now that Fred was no longer needed in Lizzie's life he could move on and help this girl instead.

    BTW, I don't think this gets brought up in the episode, but the little girl also calls him Drop Dead Fred.  If he was simply a manifestation of Lizzie's mind, then that would be an awfully big coincidence that this little girl would give him the exact same name.

    I think that the people who are awful in the new little girls life are her nannies but I agree

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  24. Posted

    3 hours ago, DrGuts1003 said:

    Here's a different way to look at this.  Based on the comments they made, June and Jason seem to feel that Lizzie is better off for having Drop Dead Fred return.  But let's run down the state of Lizzie's life by the end of the movie.

    She has:

    • No job
    • No car
    • No place to live
    • Lost her best friend (this is not explicitly established, but why would Carrie Fisher want to be friends with her after sinking her home?)
    • No relationship (she doesn't really seem to want to pursue anything romantic with Ron Eldard)
    • Severed ties with her mother

    She's not only worse off than she was when the movie began, but she's probably now ill-equipped to deal with the real world as an adult on her own.

    I'm not 100% sure Carrie Fisher has cut ties with her because she seemed pretty jazzed by that giant insurance check. She also seems to be dating Mickey which as I've said before seems really unhealthy.  She's meeting his daughter so it looks like they are serious or he's an asshole who just let's any lady he dates meet his kid. So now she's got that relationship to work with too. Plus the fact his daughter has inherited Drop Dead Fred ( furthering my belief that Fred is an individual) so now she's never going to be free of him but the instead of him being on her side he's probably going to see her as the enemy as most children view their parents new partners . She's fucked.

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  25. Posted

    15 hours ago, muttnik said:

    Whew, this episode was a roller coaster. I have so many thoughts, but I'll try to contain most of them because I do get why people dislike it. It is loud and over the top and there’s stuff that definitely could have been executed better. I would also hard agree that this is 100% not a kid’s movie. Much like Ace Venture was definitely not a kid's movie, but was shown to me and my peers repeatedly as a child.

    Elizabeth’s mother was abusive. Period. Abuse may not have been her intention, but it’s what she was serving up. There’s the whole makeover scene where she styles her daughter exactly in her image. That’s friggin' nutso. Her daughter isn't allowed to be her own person!

    Repeating someone’s name is like gaslighting douchebag abuse 101. Why marry Elizabeth at all? Because he was an abusive garbage monster who saw a dowdy, childlike dummy he could keep under his thumb that would keep house and play wife when he wanted, and would never leave him for chasing skirts all over town. He called her mother behind her back! He knew who the original abuser was and went right to the source to get Elizabeth back in line!

    The only problem I have is that Carrie Fisher's character makes no logical sense any way I wrap my head around her. While I completely understand being as delicate as possible around a friend that's suffered long-term emotional abuse, at some point (I'd assume when she renders you homeless and then comes into your serious place of employment) you have to be firm and put your foot down.

    The dopey love interest and his dismissal of Elizabeth's mental state does make sense to me though. From way afar she's kind of a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, and he seems to be the kind of dope that would buy into that nonsense.

    Nobody seems to see Elizabeth as a person because she doesn’t know who she is. She was never allowed to form her own personhood. Fred, real/magical or self-actualization aside, does finally get her to start living her own life.

    Yrs!!! I even yelled " Get the fuck out of here with that gaslighting bullshit Charlie! "during the first scene of the movie! He was an utter shit. He very clearly had been gaslighting her for the entirety of their relationship, belittles her, and looks down on her.  Honestly I think that the best ending for Elizabeth would have been if she learned that it's ok to be alone and had no boyfriend at the end. If she and Mickey had just been friends. She's very clearly frightened of the idea of being alone and that's why she's stuck with Charles even though she knows he's a piece of shit.  That's also part of why she lets her mother take control of her life . The fear of being alone in life and on her own. Being truly independent.

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