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Musical Mondays Week 51 Preview (SlidePocket's 2nd Pick)
grudlian. replied to Cinco DeNio's topic in How Did This Get Made?
How many cat gifs should I have prepared? Keep in mind, I have two cats already. -
Musical Mondays Week 51 Preview (SlidePocket's 2nd Pick)
grudlian. replied to Cinco DeNio's topic in How Did This Get Made?
Ok. I should be able to do the 9pm on Sunday. I got the DVD from the library but I'd rather watch it with friends if I can. -
200th Mini Retrospective Clip Show Spectacular!
grudlian. replied to JulyDiaz's topic in How Did This Get Made?
I legit laughed out loud for 20 seconds from the title alone. -
200th Mini Retrospective Clip Show Spectacular!
grudlian. replied to JulyDiaz's topic in How Did This Get Made?
Is Danica Mckellar the queen of holiday themed, made for tv romance movies now? I saw she's done 9 Hallmark movies since 2015 -
200th Mini Retrospective Clip Show Spectacular!
grudlian. replied to JulyDiaz's topic in How Did This Get Made?
There's Hannah And Her Sisters and Alice's Restaurant. I haven't seen Pieces Of April but I know it takes place on Thanksgiving. -
Or Golden Globe nominated comedy The Tourist!
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Definitely Edward G Robinson or WC Fields.
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The first time I saw a movie with Peter Lorre, I suddenly understood about one million Looney Tunes jokes.
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UHF is easily a top 100 and the AFI is dumb for not even shortlisting it. I could watch it over almost any comedy.
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Wait a second! Is The Graduate a comedy? I saw it back in high school and thought it was just a drama!
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I have a super controversial opinion on Bringing Up Baby. Not only is Who's That Girl with Madonna a remake of Bringing Up Baby but I prefer Who's That Girl.
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That's fair. I'm not really arguing this needs to be in your top 100 or an official top 100. I'm arguing against the someone else would have done it idea because other people were doing it. It's just the Marx Brothers lived on longer than their contemporaries (except maybe the Three Stooges) for a reason. I would put Young Frankenstein on the list over Blazing Saddles in a heartbeat. I laughed harder I Ain't Got Nobody as a 9 year old than maybe any single bit in my life.
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I'll argue pretty hard that being the first in art does matter but I don't think that's what you're saying. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you're saying that the Marx brothers kind of got lucky being the first which cemented their legacy. I don't think that's the case at all. Once sound films became not just a novelty and could be made reliably, recording comedians doing their thing is pretty natural. The Marx brothers weren't the only comedians in talking pictures at the time. Wheeler and Woolsey didn't make the list. WC Fields didn't make the list. Three Stooges didn't make the list. The Marx brothers did and are still widely named as influential in the way a lot of comedians from this period aren't. I think it's because they were better at it than everyone else (partly my taste but I think they did objectively do it better than a lot of people. Some of that is getting great people like Leo McCarey and Raquel Torres but the Marx Brothers made several great movies without almost everyone here (except Margaret Dumont) EDIT: I think this reads way more intense than I mean it. I'm just saying it wasn't just being early; they were great.
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Echoing what AlmostAGhost (and Paul and Amy) said, I think this is more than one note. Each Marx brother has a distinct comedy they specialize in. They have overlap (except Harpo needs to work on his wordplay). I guess the is an overall zany tone that stays with the movie that I guess could qualify as one note. But I think that note is "Marx brothers" I'll 100% agree on Coming To America and Groundhog Day getting included though. I'm not sure we need multiple Marx Brothers movies (though I remember liking Horse Feathers a lot). And there's nothing on this list like Coming To America and Groundhog Day.
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My parents didn't really make me watch comedies that I recall. I remember my mom pushing Monty Python because my dad liked it (and I didn't really get it). I do remember watching Sledge Hammer! with my dad but I'm not sure he brought that to me so much as we both came to it at the same time. My parents and I have very different senses of humor though and maybe this is why. They didn't show me funny movies.
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One thing that's interesting to me is Conan mentioning kids figuring out that The Simpsons baby carriage comes from The Untouchables but that scene in The Untouchables is referencing Battleship Potemkin. I'm hoping someone can help me here. I know I saw a video of Chico dressed as Harpo on I've Got A Secret. The joke being that the panel had to figure out it wasn't actually Harpo because they look so similar when in costume. I've looked for this video a few times over the years and can't find it again. Does anyone know where I can watch it?
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According to Wikipedia, he moved to Watts when he was 2-3 years old. So, basically, he's from LA.
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Musical Mondays Week 51 Preview (SlidePocket's 2nd Pick)
grudlian. replied to Cinco DeNio's topic in How Did This Get Made?
This is having a limited theatrical re-release literally this week in case anyone is interested. -
I saw Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore recently and it's good. I think you kind of get at a point I didn't think of: there's a lot of movies featuring women that are probably near misses to this list. If this were the top 150 or 200, would Alice... be on this list? Because it's a great movie but it's not Taxi Driver or Goodfellas. I'd pick it over African Queen for sure but not over some other Scorsese movies. I'll definitely keep an eye out for Killer Of Sheep. I've heard the name but know literally nothing about it. EDIT: The director of Killer Of Sheep is from Vicksburg, Mississippi? Birthplace of bottled Coke and my grandfather? I'm definitely checking it out now.
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For sure. I don't want to excuse this list because we know, before sending the list to voters, ther AFI made a short list. We don't know what movies they excluded and it could have been movies from women or people of color. And I assume the AFI and whoever they sent their short list to was predominantly white men. Who knows what the list would have looked like if they sent it to people of color or women only? So, I have a genuine question: what American movies do you think should be included or considered from 2008 or before that highlight casts, writers, directors, etc. who aren't straight white men? Because I'd definitely be interested in checking some out.
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Sorry. I don't think they have to be active now. I think they had to have been an active director before the list was made. I think if there's an updated list, you can include a ton more people who weren't active before 2008 or weren't making "great" movies before 2008 (such as Kathryn Bigelow who didn't get good in my opinion until Hurt Locker). As for Elaine May, I've only seen Ishtar. So, I can't judge her work fairly despite it's good reputation. You're right. If we aren't restricted to American cinema, we have way more options. Certainly for people of color since every east Asian, Indian, most African and South American directors are people of color. But even Europe has Chantel Akerman or Agnes Varda who could have been included. This actually has me curious though. For more extensive lists that don't have restrictive rules (like They Shoot Pictures or 1001 Movies To Watch Before You Die or BFI), do they have any American films by women or people of color from before 2008? If so, how many? Because I bet there probably not many which points to a Hollywood problem (I mean duh, obviously) with people of color and women as opposed to just AFI (though that doesn't rule out bias against them).
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The list, in my mind, definitely is not all American. The current version is more American than the previous edition but their definition of American seems to be primarily American produced. That's why Hitchcock movies are on here or LOTR which is at least as New Zealand as it is American. As for the list being all white guys, it's because women directors and directors of color basically do not exist in American cinema before the 1980s. I don't want to say the AFI is blameless but it's more 10% AFI/90% Hollywood. It's impossible to include what decades of racism and misogyny in American cinema prevented from existing. I can name a lot of women directors I respect. I can name a lot of directors of color I respect. But if I only include Americans who are active and making good movies before 2008, that list is very, very short. It's Spike Lee, Penny Marshall, Amy Heckerling, John Singleton, Robert Townsend, Sofia Coppola, Ang Lee, Oscar Micheaux (who is more influential than than enjoyable for me personally) and Mira Nair (but I think a lot of her films are international co-productions so maybe don't count?). I'm sure there are some people I'm forgetting or ignorant of but that's a pathetically small list. I'd definitely dump African Queen or Swing Time or Ben Hur to at least consider Brokeback Mountain, Malcolm X, Clockers, Mo Better Blues, A League Of Their Own, Awakenings, Lost In Translation, Boyz N The Hood, Clueless. So, I guess that negates my argument that there isn't much from women or people of color to include. But is this really it? Am I missing some stuff? If the AFI updated their list in 2018 and we don't see more presence of people of color or women, that's on them. No real excuses with the influx of people of color, women and lgbt directors to not have greater numbers. EDIT: for anyone with Turner Classic Movies, they are showing a few hours of silent shorts directed by women this Thursday. If you want the earliest examples of women directors (and one woman of color) in American cinema, I believe this is it.
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Musical Mondays Week 51 Preview (SlidePocket's 2nd Pick)
grudlian. replied to Cinco DeNio's topic in How Did This Get Made?
This is something I've always felt I should see but who knows if I ever would have without outside motivation. So, I'm glad you picked this. -
I have a genuine question: was this movie meant to be a comedy/parody of action movies? I don't think it's as meta as Last Action Hero, but I think there are parts where the movie that know how jokey this is. The origin of the movie is just guys sitting around talking about an action movie and I've definitely had these kind of conversations that devolve into my friends laughing at how ridiculous our ideas get. Carl Weathers definitely has some reactions and line readings that come across as aware of itself. Almost winking at the camera kind of performance in spots. I think Carl Weathers is a good enough actor to at least play it more serious if that's what the role demands. There are puns so bad I'm not sure they could be unintentional. Burning a person then saying chill out makes so little sense it almost has to be a joke right? This movie is right at the cusp of action stars playing with their personas and the genre itself. Big Trouble In Little China was pretty recent. Robocop had just come out and, while it's not a comedy, there are a lot of intentionally humorous parts. Sledge Hammer! was in the middle of its run. Twins comes out later this year (not an action movie but an action star doing comedy). I don't think this movie is as smart as True Lies or Austin Powers or other action comedies/genre parodies. I just think it's a little bit aware of how goofy it is instead of just inept filmmaking. Definitely some of this movie is just lazy writing that doesn't make sense but some of it feels to me that there is a little bit of "wouldn't it be funny if..." going on here.
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Yes, Lorena Bobbitt cut off her husband's, John, penis while he slept because he was abusive.