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One thing that crossed my brain while they were answering was how Fargo was on the 97 list and then fell off. I think a large part of it was the timing of the 2007 list. While I really liked The Man Who Wasn't There, between '97 and '07, they were adjusting to having a mainstream audience and that's when we got movies like The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty. It seemed like they became really hot material again with No Country for Old Men, but that came out in late 2007. I bet voting had already been completed by that point. This seems to be the reverse of the situation of us wondering how The Sixth Sense was on the 2007 list, The Happening hadn't come out yet. Though... The Village and The Lady in the Water had.

Apologies for any errors on the paraphrasing, but, copying down the questions (in retrospect, I should have gone to the FB group, searched, and copied & pasted). How did you two first meet? Origin story of show? What made you think of doing this podcast? answer How much time do you spend researching the movie you're watching? answer These movies are hard to find? Where do you go? answer If you could get everyone to watch one movie what would it be? answer If you could appear in any movie on the list, which one would you? answer Will you ever do an episode comparing the 97 list? answer Why haven't they updated it yet? answer How many of the films are film capsule entries? answer If directors could only have one movie on the list, which one (for each director) would you choose? Robert Altman - MASH, Nashville Frank Capra - It's a Wonderful Life, Mr Smith Goes to Washington, It Happened One Night Charlie Chaplin - Modern Times, City Lights, The Gold Rush Francis Ford Coppola - The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Apocalypse Now Michael Curtiz - Casablanca, Yankee Doodle Dandy Victor Flemming - Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz John Ford - The Searchers, The Grapes of Wrath Alfred Hitchcock - Vertigo, Psycho, Rear Window, North by Northwest John Huston - The Maltese Falcon, The African Queen, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre Elia Kazan - On the Waterfront, A Streetcar Named Desire Stanley Kubrick - 2001, A Clockwork Orange, Dr. Strangelove, Spartacus David Lean - Bridge of the River Kwai, Lawrence of Arabia George Lucas - Star Wars, America Graffiti Sidney Lumet - 12 Angry Men, Network Mike Nichols - The Graduate, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Alan J. Pakula - Sophie's Choice, All the President's Men Martin Scorsese - Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Raging Bull Stephen Spielberg - Jaws, E.T., Raiders of the Lost Ark, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan George Stevens - Swing Time, Shane Billy Wilder - The Apartment, Some Like It Hot, Double Indemnity, Sunset Boulevard William Wyler - Ben-Hur, The Best Years of Our Lives How do you think we should be viewing this list? eg Historical, Innovations, fun, etc answer Which movie are you most looking forward to and why? answer There's a lack of female directors and movies from directors of people of color. A lot have been made recently, but they wouldn't have been eligible for the 2007 list because they've come out since then. Are there films that would be eligible for the list you are doing now that you would put on? answer A comedy isn't really represented in the AFI top 100. What are some of your favorite comedies? (Not necessarily for the AFI top 100) answer Related, what animated or documentary films would you want on the list? answer What HDTGM movie would you place on this list? answer Will you just own up and admit that you think Scorsese is tremendously overrated? answer Would you agree that 1939 was the greatest year for films? If not, which year? answer What are your favorite books about movies? answer Amy and Paul what is the best theater food snack food or drink? answer 100 years from now, someone on a ghost tour says you are haunting a location. What location would you want them to say you're haunting? answer Updated for the 1 film/director question (thanks Cam Bert!)

Speaking as someone who does like it. It seems like a movie she probably wouldn't like (based on her opinions so far in the podcast). Though she really likes Tom Cruise as an actor, so it got me wondering. Googling and skimming (from an exerpt on EWS from her book on Cruise) It sounds like she does not care for it (unless her opinion has changed dramatically from 2014). Or at the very least how Cruise was utilized in it. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/07/eyes-wide-shut-tom-cruise-nicole-kidman ETA: though, IIRC I think she also listed Fight Club, which is also a movie I'd guess she might not be the biggest fan of either.

So, just in terms of implementation, would you say the AFI should take the movie that gets the most votes from a director and then just bump off any other movies from the list from that director? Are voters only allowed to vote for one movie per director? In which case that doesn't prevent a director from having multiple movies on the final list (though, it would probably prevent them from having four or more). I will say, I think they'd need to expand their base list of movies to vote for to beyond just 400 then - I'm not saying this would be wrong, it's just trying to think through. Another solution could be to reduce the number of movies a single voter submits. I imagine below a certain number entries, people aren't going to spend slots being redundant as much (though, that's probably similar to the, each ballot can only have one movie per director). I think my suggestion of that is still just my disbelief this list is counting ballots of top 100 movies, unweighted. I'm going to just continue to be exasperated by that through the end of this podcast.

One thing Paul said during the episode, (something along the lines of) "ranking these movies makes me feel like/appreciate the AFI doing this more." Which is kind of funny, because that's one thing the members of the AFI didn't technically sit down and think about (outside of their top 5 tie breakers). Because members just submitted a ballot of their top 100 movies, unweighted (outside of their top 5, which were also unweighted within). /broken record Though, trying to do a top 25 list like that with two hosts would be quite non-sensical Though since everyone else is doing it though. (I rarely do star ratings because I discovered in the early Netflix years that my ratings have a margin of error of +/-1 on a 4-5 point scale. So a "2" start movie might be rated a "3" and a "4" star movie on a given day might be rated a "3", and that happened enough, I just kind of stopped except for movies I really, really liked. So, instead, breaking them out into tiers All time favorites 1. 2001 2. Citizen Kane 3. Apocalypse Now -------------------- Really, Really Enjoyed to Loved, depending on my mood 4. Taxi Driver 5. All About Eve -------------------- Really enjoyed, good movies, but don't come to mind as "all time greats" 6. Psycho 7. Double Indemnity -------------------- I'd watch again/enjoyed 8. Bonnie & Clyde (really need to rewatch/haven't seen in forever, but looking at everything else, it would probably end up around here) 9. Duck Soup 10. Singin' in the Rain 11. High Noon (probably here more from having seen it only once) 12. The General -------------------- Wouldn't seek them out, but could rewatch them if needed to, for, say a podcast and its discussion (or if, stuck with family and they really wanted to watch them). 13. Shawshank Redemption 14. King Kong 15. Lord of the Rings ------------------- Eh, I'd be fine if I never saw any of these movies again. 16. Platoon 17. African Queen 18. The Sixth Sense 19. Raiders of the Lost Ark 20. ET ------------------ Haven't seen :: Want to see The French Connection Wizard of Oz :: Might watch just for general film history knowledge Swing Time :: Might watch just for general film history knowledge, but probably not Ben-Hur :: Don't think I'll be watching Titanic

While it probably wouldn't be mobile friendly, posts like this make me think every now and then, being able to put a table in your posts would be useful.

For the sake of the thread (besides the rankings), what were all the questions in the Q&A (besides the ones specific to Paul & Amy, e.g. how did this podcast get started)? I just remember the main take away is the image of Paul playing a Muchkin or Flying Monkey and I could see him excelling in either role, even though I don't think I've seen The Wizard of Oz. (It or The French Connection is probably what I'll catch up on this weekend).

Well, there's also so many people in the FB group and lots of activity. I also think someone from the group (possibly Kate) asked if they'd do a Q&A. Which is to say, IDK, maybe it would have helped to have at least created a thread where we posed questions for them to answer for the 25th episode. They can't answer questions we don't ask. And It's not like Paul doesn't read these forums. ETA: Maybe something to bring up for the 50th episode, which I believe Paul and Amy are now contractually obligated by precedent to do another Q&A.

It's been decades since I've read Gatsby. I just remember that after he died, no one came to his funeral. Indicating that after how much he rose, he was still all alone in the end. Keep in mind I didn't watch The Rose (it's actually a tough one to get ahold of legally - all I can find is getting physical media). Btw, I think it was you that mentioned above I'll point out, while this is us on the outside looking in, but it's not too far off from it felt like how the whole Lindsay Lohan decline played out (and the manager was family - her mother, I believe). I think it's the sense that the artist is spiraling out already and that's what's wearing them down, not the work. And the work is the only thing enabling them to afford to keep themselves going. And sometimes people are just shitty, and will squeeze what they can before it's all gone dry (partially because the manager needs the money now as well and they don't believe the artist will come back). After which point they'll just move onto the next star. From what you guys are describing, that's what it sounds like here. Now, whether if that actually accurate in terms of reality (as opposed to a fictitious archetype that people not directly involved believe is true and tell and retell in fictious stories)... "eh, IDK." I do wish I could remember Dusty and Sweets McGee for some comparisons, which is definitely a movie I have seen at some point, but can't remember literally anything about it. I assume at least one of them died of an overdose, but I can't even remember if that's true.

So.... The Great Gatsby. Right, Sarah Lynn? ... Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn?

Melodrama is a hell of a drug.

Currently we don't. I watch movies with IRL friends. Hearing about rabb.it made me curious if that experience could be replicated or somewhat approximated with a couple long time long distance friends. Thinking about it, it's a technologically tough request if you want to both need able to hold side conversations and still engage with the movie being watched. And that's not even getting to the issue of, it'd probably be often with a movie I own with a local copy of, not something I'm streaming in a browser through a service.

Ftr, I've Voted.

I am curious then, since I do have a couple of long distance friends, is the group watching experience kind of dependent upon being on something like a laptop, more-so than say an htpc, for actually interacting? Back catalog HDTGM movies seems like the typing/commentary wouldn't be a big deal like, but having group chat off to the side for watching something more serious would be distracting, I'd imagine, right? Or, even a comedy where you do want to be engaging with the movie itself to a reasonable degree. Or do people leverage a voice chat while watching?

Comically, the past day or so, I've been reading "Dates" to mean the fruit. It could have been a California Raisin knockoff holiday special.

But seriously, I'm not much a musical person (though this one was probably more up my alley), hence why I'm not trying to join in, but I'm curious about the rabb.it part. I still haven't signed up or used rabb.it, but are you guys using it primarily so you can all start talking about the movie at roughly the same time, cut down on rental costs (so everyone doesn't have to find the movie), or are you guys using it heavily for the group chat feature? Asking partially in case another movie comes up I'd be mildly curious about. I might watch a movie on my htpc, I wouldn't be watching it on my laptop (I also echo AaG's question about how does rabb.it work for files you have on disk, since looking online, it doesn't really sound like it's suited for that), so I wouldn't be really typing. So, that would kind of nullify the group experience.

Well, now you have my attention. If you guys need an emotional palate cleanser, and haven't seen it yet, you lot could always try Dancer in the Dark. It should go down smoothly like a shot of Clorox.

TBH, IDK. The brand was called Kraken. I'm going to be making either cephalopod or 1981-Clash-of-the-Titans-based jokes. I did confirm with google that such a cocktail exists. But really, that was a safe bet.

Not a genre I'm really good at naming examples from, but the one I haven't seen that comes to mind that I'd be curious about would be Lynch's The Straight Story (which I've heard is very unLynchian). It's been a long time, but maybe Tim Burton's Big Fish or Wes Anderson's Fantastic Mr Fox. I also want to say My Neighbor Totoro, but I'm not entirely sure why. Three out of the four movies seem based around appreciating someone after they're gone, or afraid they're about to go. I don't know if that's a mental block I'm having there. I really don't watch a lot of family, life affirming movies. =\

To add to the list of movies one could watch during the no-movie/QA week (AFI movies on filmstruck, AFI movies you've missed, AFI movies on the ballot or the 1997 list not on the final 2007 list), I noticed Paul's movie, Slice, is also free on Amazon Prime right now. And I guess we're still close enough to Halloween...

I guess better late than never. Though I feel like my experience with the show is much more mundane enjoyment compared to the rest of you. It really sounds like you guys built up a sense of community here that is touching. What was your first episode of HDTGM? Almost certainly The Room or Birdemic. I have other movie podcasts I listened to and to some degree I just enjoy hearing people talk about movies not that I've even watched, but the type of movies that I would watch. And while I had other more serious-minded film-based podcasts, I was noticing I was going to screenings of various midnight movie type of movies and that wasn't being represented in my podcasting listening. Weirdly, while I knew about The Room and Birdemic (looking back at my letterboxd account, that means I must have started listening around the first half of 2013), I had never seen either. So, I'm pretty sure that's what I was searching for when looking for a podcast to fill that itching niche. Favorite catchphrase? I'm not a big catchphrase person, but I guess... Hello People of Earth! Ladies, still single! I'm still not on Twitter, Paul. (Being someone who has still never joined twitter to date, I derive some weird joy from hearing this line). What is a Street Fighter? A clip or moment that you'll always remember? (timestamps are nice ) My memory resembles June's when it comes to the specifics of past episodes (though I remember they actually happened), so it's more like highlights for me. The Room being shot simultaneously on 35mm and digital, and I believe it was Jason speculating two realities in which The Room existed, one the 35mm and one the digital one, and the only commonality in terms of actors between them was Tommy. Or at least I think that happened. Maybe I just imagined it because I've read one too many Steve Erickson novels - which is also why that possibility just stuck with my imagination. All of Paul's sad childhood stories. June being away for a month and rather than watch the movies, send in summaries of what she'd guess the movies are about (I remember Superman IV being pretty great). Breaking down the Sleepaway Camp relations, because I went to watch it and thinking, I actually wouldn't have gotten this, and it totally seems like what teenagers would write in a horror movie. And, oh god, the faberge eggs... The episode you revisit the most I don't revisit episodes that often, but I know I listened to The Room episode before watching it. Probably after watching. And then when The Disaster Artist came out, again in preparation for that. How HDTGM fits into your weekly routine So funny thing, going back to the Birdemic. I listened to the podcast, laughed my ass off. Watched the movie, by myself on a lazy Sunday afternoon... and was bored. Yet, while watching it, I kept going, "I should be laughing at this. This is the type of movie I normally enjoy (confirmed later when I watched Birdemic 2)." Bad movies take a certain mindset and environment to enjoy. And I find myself wanting to watch them with other people which can't always be arranged. I find this podcast, on a weekly basis, gives me a favorable viewing of a bad movie; a bad movie that I may not have seen before. And it gives me a sense of how much enjoyment can I get out of these movies - you know, should I be able to arrange a movie night with friends to watch these things (which I don't get to do as frequent as I would like). The movie that you loved or hated watching For the most part, I haven't started watching the movies in preparation or response of the podcast (see above). I guess that might change now that I've joined the boards, so rather than save some of these to watch with friends some odd year out. I think the podcast did make me go watch Sleepaway Camp, which I did enjoy the hell out of. Outside of that, I already owned and loved The Miami Connection before the podcast covered it. It's definitely one worth owning. I think I didn't get to watch my episode of Hercules in New York until after the podcast episode. Movies I've mentally logged to watch in the future with friends (this can take years to resolve for some): intentionally campy fun: Action Jackson, The Last Dragon unintentionally comical that should be up my alley: Hard Ticket to Hawaii, A Night in Heaven, The Apple (though I think that one's been on my radar for a while) What the show has meant to you after all these years or any other sappy stuff The lolz! Yeah, unfortunately, I don't have any touching, sentimental stories the rest of you have, which have been touching to read. It sounds like you guys have a tight knit, or at least a supportive community.

I'm going to bump this recommendation for throwing my support behind it because I enjoy the hell out of this movie. If it's not my favorite martial-arts, action, horror, comedy with cannibals, then it's at least in my top 2 (of the two I've seen). And while the other one might have more adept martial arts and comedy, this this one has zombies*. And off-brand Adolf Hitler with his merry band of human traffickers who shop at the Warriors's/GI Joe clothing surplus stores. And salt-water piranha. And aggressive ADRing (or maybe it was just aggressive sound editing) a sex education of "what is a fetish". And Cameron Mitchel. Sure, it tries to be intentionally campy sometimes, but that doesn't stop ineptness from being inept.

I probably should have just included a screwball classification, since that's what I seemed to be dancing around. What you're describing jives with my memory of it. More serious than, say, Bananas or Sleeper, but not as dramatic as Manhattan or Hannah and her Sisters.

I will take a wild guess right now that Amy will not be putting Apocalypse Now at number 2 and Titanic at number 19.

This is a good point. It is worth pointing out, it doesn't look like there are any parodies currently on the list.