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Oh gigi-tastic, I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. I lost my main dude, Tiger, in 2015 and it still hurts so I totally understand how you're feeling right now. I'm terrible at taking my own advice but something that I wish I had done that I didn't do was actually take the time I needed because mourning is hard and it's even harder when you don't allow yourself time to do it. I always seem to put my life responsibilities over my mental state and that's definitely not the thing to do lol. As far as other podcasts that ALWAYS delight me I recommend: Why Won't You Date Me with Nicole Byer, Never Seen It with Kyle Ayers, Dumb People Town, Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend (Matt Gourley is the producer and pops up a lot and it's amazing), 2 Dope Queens (no longer releasing new stuff but their archive is all there and highly recommended), and Sooo Many White Guys. If you're into spooky stuff then I also recommend (if not then ignore all this): Alice Isn't Dead, Tanis, Bizarre States, Ghosted! By Roz Drezfalez, Lore (pretty heavy but if you love true stories reported throughout the ages this is a fucking amazing podcast), and My Favorite Murder.

If I don't get to see Rocket try and kill Goose then I'm going to be very disappointed! I was already slightly disappointed that he wasn't the one who got to point out that he was not a cat but indeed a Flerken like he did in the comics. It's truly one of my favorite panels!

I just can't get in line with the Jason and Pluto also switched places because that doesn't explain the lack of scarring on his face at the end. We for sure saw Pluto's face when Jason forced him to take the mask off and from his nose down was completely scarred over from being born into the fire, as Red had put it. So I can't seem to wrap my head around the theory that they've switched otherwise. This part of that exposition drop actually didn't bother me because I think always Adelaide knew that the real version of her would someday come back. So she's painting the situation as if she is the real one who "saw herself" and it traumatized her so that's why she's afraid of the area. In reality now we know she was always afraid of going near Santa Monica because deep down she knew that Red would find her and take revenge for the switch. It made sense to me that she would tell the story from that angle in that scene because she's telling a character that has zero context for any of it, so the exposition drop was warranted in that moment. I still just can't seem to wrap my brain around the one between the two Adelaide's because they both know everything.

I just saw this turd this past weekend and I'm actually extremely angry that this ended up the way it did. It's a mockery of horror and even Oscar Winner Helen Mirren comes out of this smeared in shit. She's not good y'all. From my Letterboxd: I truly want the gang to do this, maybe for Halloween this year, and try and just comprehend wtf everyone was thinking.

Anastasia y'all!!!!!!!!

I don't remember how Wall-E changed the Oscars at all so you'll have to refresh my memory. I know that Beauty and the Beast was the first animated movie to ever be nominated for Best Picture, and then Up was nominated in 2010 and it was the first year it went from 5 back to 10 slots in the BP category.

Also the animals are waaaay smarter than everyone and warn the absolute fuck out of Snow about that apple and she's just like "SHOO!" and then dies so the lesson there is listen to your gd pets y'all they know better than you.

I got the notification that you had switched it and immediately felt bad for calling you out, but I was definitely like DEFEND THIS ACTION AS I HAVE DONE!

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Good points! Honestly maybe this is why these lists are kinda like not holding as much weight to them as they used to. A bunch of people get together and tell us what is considered the greatest of all time and we just have to accept it as blind truth? Sounds fake LOL. No but really it's a good point to raise that art is subjective and I can't even imagine the debates that happen in order to create these lists to begin with.

@SeekerofJoy wanna discuss why you're laughing at my opinion? I am more than happy to talk about this further and listen to an actual formulated response that isn't just "haha." (If it was an accidental response then by all means ignore this post. I just am always curious about reactions lol.)

That's an excellent question. I'm definitely going to think about it probably for the next week for sure lol, but my gut reaction tells me that everything has to be top notch, if that makes sense. Like being influential and ground-breaking with new achievements is all great and good but if there's not a good story or the characters are mind bogglingly under-developed then that's not a great movie to me. This is why I mentioned Avatar, because James Cameron can invent all the new ways to film that he wants but it is a BORING movie that completely rips off many stories before it, so why celebrate something just because of a new invention if the movie he made with it was garbage?

I'm not equating enjoyable with greatness. I enjoy the fuck out of Josie and the Pussycats but I would never argue for it to be considered one of the greatest movies of all time lol. But I think that what we consider a good or great movie should be discussed. I personally do not think influence or achievement should equate greatness either or else Avatar would have a bigger standing in the conversation for the new updated list, and I swear to god if Avatar makes it on that list I'm flipping a table lol. ETA: In terms of Snow White I am truly on the fence about whether it's the right Disney animated film to make it onto the list, if I'm keepin' it 100. My gut reaction wants to say that it should be replaced with something better, because I do think that Walt focused so much on the animation and filming that the story aspect kinda got pushed to the side. However, many people do love this movie and I do think it holds higher and to a better standing than something like French Connection, which makes me want to keep it and maybe just add something from a later decade like The Lion King so not every Disney movie is just lumped into two films.

Alright, so sitting on my thoughts a lot I do believe I am overly critical of this movie, but I also think that's a lot of what we're supposed to be doing when we get into these films, and especially when they get classified as being "The Greatest." I think that classification sticks with me a lot because when you watch these movies you truly expect them to be the greatest, and I really don't feel that way about Snow White. I certainly don't hate this film, but like I realized earlier I really don't think I like it either. Like when they talk about the way it was filmed that is definitely what I like about this, and the shot of the witch's face when Snow White takes a bite out of the apple but we only see her reaction rather than Snow's face eating and dying. That's a really stylistic choice that I love. If there was a list that was like a "Must See" or "Most Influential" I would absolutely feel that it deserved a spot, but once again I just hyper focus on what this list claims to be and I don't think it fits into that criteria. Then trying to get away from the "does this deserve to be on the list" conversation I do want to discuss what the film is and what its story is. To me, I feel like it lacks in story, and maybe that's because to me the most interesting parts are with The Queen and the least interesting are how Snow White "mothers" the dwarfs, which seems to be a giant chunk of the movie. But, maybe I'm being too hard on it.

Lol fine sure the movie does a disadvantage to Cinderella as well, but I guess my point is that at least in her movie they set up a lot more for me to believe why she has these traits better than Snow White does. I really believe that the step mother in Cinderella pushed her to the point where that's all she can do, because for me I see little parts of other things within her that immediately get stomped down due to abuse. But in Snow White the movie starts at a point where we don't actually see any of the parental abuse that Snow White goes through before she's immediately about to get murdered for her beauty, and I would've liked to have seen her interaction with her step mother more in order to believe the rest of her character later in the story when she meets the dwarfs. But also, you're the one who mentioned she utilized the skills she possessed hence why I mentioned what they just were, so even to your argument we can say that Cinderella also utilized her skills, but really because she was being forced to because she was being abused every day of her life. And you're right, at this point it really just comes down to our tastes.

That's completely fair. And I'm trying to stay away from conversations that just center on how "woke" the movie isn't now that we do have a 2019 mindset as opposed to the 1937 mindset because it's true that we really can't hold it to the same light, but there are movies from this same time that I find stunning because they have created such beautiful stories and characters with more characterization than just she's nice and beautiful and can clean for strangers. Like two years later Gone with the Wind is made and Scarlett O'Hara is truly one of the most fascinating characters I've ever watched on film. This is also fair, but for me I totally see a lot more depth put into the dwarfs than I do Snow, and that may have to do with animation style as well. I can see the care they put into designing each of these men and for some reason I don't see that same care put into Snow and it kinda translates into her character as well. I just totally find her boring! The Queen absolutely is the greatest character in this movie and legit one of my favorite moments is when she's going into her murder dungeon and just kicks away the cup from the skeleton and laughs at it. That was literally a better glimpse into who this women is than anything Snow White does this whole movie lol.

"For who she is." I just want to comment on this one part, because I could not disagree more. Sure he doesn't know that she's a princess, but he has NO idea who she really is. He falls in love with her because of her voice and her beauty, and we would be naive to think that's not all it is. They sing one duet and suddenly they're both in love and that's extremely surface level. And believe me I'm not arguing for the love story in Cinderella as being the best representation of anything here, but I do prefer the full story, and I also do believe it's the only live action remake to properly convey the story and improve on the things it lacked that none of the Snow White or even the Beauty and the Beast adaptation could do. Yes, Snow shows kindness and that is her greatest attribute but it still does nothing to convince me that she's a 3-dimensional character. For one, the skills that she possesses are literally just cleaning and cooking and that's a problem for a whole nother conversation. But everyone actually does intervene on her behalf. She doesn't get to defeat the witch, even if she was too nice to storm The Queen's castle she literally gets killed and then the dwarfs kill the witch on her behalf, and then Prince Charming is there to bring her back to life. Everything that happens at the climax of this story happens while she's dead and that begs the question of what the fuck is the point of her besides being someone that has actions done to them rather than being the one to do them herself. And while no one may tell her what to do (except the Huntsman and The Queen do actually order her to do what they want) the only things she decides are in regards to again cooking and cleaning. Truly she just tells the dwarfs to bath and cleans for them and makes them eat properly. That's sooooo dumb!

Oh yeah I totally understood him, but my point was just that then if this one movie is representing everything this catalogue could offer, then they're basically expecting you to be drawn into watching more to get that glimpse ya know? I guess for me by the time I came around my first intro to Disney films were Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin. Those two films are not only animation marvels to watch, but have amazing stories and musical numbers that just make them amazingly well-rounded films. So then to go back to something like Snow White later you kinda just feel like... yeah this is cool I guess lol. And I've heard from new parents who sit their kids in front of things like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty and they get legitimately bored. So the animation style is no longer something that is considered a marvel enough to makeup for the lack of a good well-rounded movie. Y'all I'm realizing I may not like Snow White at all lololol.

Oh man I could not feel more opposite! Even in terms of the story itself! I was shocked to find how Snow White seemed like such a secondary character in her own story! I will say it's been a few years since I've rewatched it, but I remember my feelings about it so well. I truly thought Snow White had no agency or characterization or even wants besides just wanting to marry the Prince she just met. I'm not trying to talk solely just about female representation here, but purely just the representation of the main character of this story. The Queen ends up being a far more interesting character, as do the dwarfs, and Snow White is a passive character that does NOTHING for herself and it's so boring to watch her. So I just completely disagree and I have major doubt that this is Snow's story. Now Cinderella does have it's own set of problems as well, especially the whole desiring a man to save her thing and blah blah blah, but the story of the emotional abuse by her step mother and step sisters is way more set in reality for me than Snow White's and to me has a much better narrative. There's still a lot of suspension of disbelief that would go in to any of these animated Disney films, but I found Cinderella just much more interesting to rewatch than Snow White and her annoying ass lol.

I just have such a problem with that concept. Like I get it in terms of Stars Wars and Fellowship of the Ring because the trilogy itself is the complete story and therefore the first of each trilogy made the list because then it does grab you into watching all three movies (and then by virtue see the films that actually DO deserve to make the list... i.e. Empire Strikes Back and Return of the King respectively). In terms of Disney, though, Snow White's story concludes at the end of this film and there's really nothing drawing you to then go further into the Disney catalog based on this alone. I find having a place holder movie to represent better movies made by the same company simply because it was the first of its kind to rather defeat the purpose of this list entirely.

Same. Honestly I really do enjoy Cinderella a hell of a lot more as a story and musical.

That's the main question I wanted to ask this week. Does a movie that in and of itself is pretty meh deserve to be on the Greatest list simply because of the achievement it made? Not that I'm cutting down how spectacular this was in 1937 but we're now well over 80 years out from it and we've all seen better more spectacular animated films.

If she doesn't then I'll be right here on the boards to do it for her lol. I have some thoughts.

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