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The funniest part to me was that this film has never been released in Italy.

"Before this film was in production." That's literally impossible considering it was first released in Lithuania on August 17, 2018, and then in America on September 21, 2018. Both dates before weed was legalized in Canada.

My issue had to do with Flash cause apparently HBO shows all of it's movies through that shit and Rabbit was like uhhhhh what's happening?

I definitely thought about that too. Part of me would still want to side with Jaime if he had Cathy's lines because his lines are just so rude, but I wonder if because of the lines where Cathy sings about not wanting to be taken care of by a man (which paints her as a feminist wanting to make her own way) inherently becomes misogynist because it would come off as Jaime refusing to be less successful than a woman.

Idk I still think this is meant to show that these people are this way because that's who they regardless of what line of work they are in, but success in terms of creative outlets that purely rely on one's individual talent is a great way to show these two stories (plus we know it's based on a real life couple). I think I'm gonna have to sit and think about this some more, which really annoys me lol, because I'm really wondering if say they were accountants and he got a promotion over her would we still have similar feelings between them. I'm purely basing that intention of the movie from what they made the tagline, which is literally, "There are two sides to every story." That to me sets up the whole thing as a well okay you may think that Jaime is the fuck-up here but listen there are two sides and his side is just as valuable. Which, yes a break up doesn't just happen, but this movie fails in showing me what his side really is. Does his side of this break up really surround the fact that she won't go to his parties? Cause if so that's a really shallow reason for being driven to cheat and leave her. Everything that we are positing how he feels isn't really told or shown to us, it's all speculation to me, because this is a terrible movie LOL. Personally I would get where he is coming from more if while he was trying to reason with Cathy about this stupid party he didn't immediately cut her at the knees in the process, because that's a non-starter. And they really don't do a good enough job to show me where else he is coming from.

You all also wrote all your responses while I was writing mine LOL But yes I think that 100% it's the lack of communication that dooms them. If only they had been together in this modern era and then getting couple's therapy would be more accepted for them lololol. It's truly the fact that I think well Cathy is like, "I have to consistently go to these parties that I hate but he refuses to see my gd play," and then Jaime is like, "She wants to fucking complain about these parties and then expect me to see her stupid play that she hates."

Ah see that quote to me means equals in terms of this relationship not working - not their careers. I think on Cathy's side of the party argument is really like she's not expecting him to ignore everyone for her. That would be really crazy to do, but like I mentioned above in I'm a Part of That, she doesn't mind sitting at that table because she knows he's going to find her. But we have to assume by the time we see this fight there have been years of her now enduring literally being straight up ignored for a full two hours while she's alone. Of course she can go network herself, but it sounds like she had already tried that because she mentioned that no matter how many times she talks to people they can never remember her name so again by this particular fight all of that thought process is out the window. It's just weird to think that there has to be this all or nothing scenario when it comes to these parties. Either she goes and is ignore the whole time (which is what she says is happening) or she goes and Jaime ignores everyone else the whole time. That's a little ridiculous and not at all what anyone is expecting. And honestly how many fucking parties does this guy need in his honor. Idk but like he wrote one book and it seems like they've been celebrating him for years and years after the fact and he really doesn't need that many gd parties. Also, like if she went to the first 100 parties for him I would think he should be secure enough in himself to let her skip the 101st. It's truly not that big of a deal. I still disagree that all of this hinders on success though. Again, all of the verses in the resisting temptation song mention women noticing him now that he's married. It has nothing to do with his success. He had already had the success for a while because all of that happened before he proposed. So they got their giant apartment in NYC and they were living happily together, and the moment he put a ring on it he suddenly notices that there's a world full of beautiful women that he could fuck, but oh well there's Cathy again because she always "knows" when he's talking to a beautiful woman (his words). That is not the behavior of someone effected by their success, that is the behavior of a man who suddenly regrets getting married. I also don't think it's fair to pick and choose songs in the musical because this is how they are presenting this story so we have to judge the story as presented. I also disagree that Cathy's first song automatically pins us against Jaime because at that point I'm still like, "Well okay but why did he leave?" There's absolutely still a chance for us to find out all of the sides to this story before making any judgements about either character. In fact, I think presenting the song directly after that (the one where he constantly talks about how his mother would hate her) is the worse song to introduce us to Jaime than Cathy's opener, because the whole time I was like, "Ew!" Grudlian and I discussed the fact that I truly think this movie doesn't actually paint Jaime as being the bad guy. I think we perceive it that way because Jaime cheats and lies and leaves her at the end, but I truly think the point of this movie is to actually see that he wasn't wrong and Cathy was just as bad. I just happen to disagree with that sentiment. Jaime never presents himself as abandoned though. And again I don't think anyone here is chalking this up to because of his success. It's how HE fucking ACTS in the entirety of the post marriage scenes. He yells at her (I guess in his head or whatever) that he feels smothered by her and that she won't ever leave him alone or give him space. His sense of this failing relationship is exactly the opposite of Cathy's. I truly truly don't see what you're seeing here. I don't see any of this implosion having anything to do with his success other than the fact that he blames her for trying to keep him down and she doesn't know how to deal with her own failure without feeling bitterness towards him. In that sense there is absolutely a two sided terribleness that will make every relationship end, but never once did anyone say well Jaime isn't allowed to feel that way because he's the successful one. Nah man he's not allowed to feel this way because he's the one who fucking cheats multiple times and then has the gall to say it's not actually his fault. That's shitty behavior no matter what the level of success is.

And in I'm a Part of That we can already see what's to come, but because his eyes always find her and he smiles then she's fine with sitting at that table and being there for him. I think that's a really important scene because she could've dealt with all of the people ignoring her and forgetting her name as long as he was the same person who would find her in the crowd. But it sounds like he truly leaves her alone for hours and there's like zero point in her being there.

It was this one He was assuming what her issues were in that moment. Now, we know she was feeling like she had to be that doting wife that was just comfortable with doing nothing while the man took care of her (her words), but in this specific fight she was literally telling him what her problems were, and it was that he took her to these parties and then she had to just be the wife alone at the bar getting plastered. It's not fair to bring up something like this and then claim she actually wishes he would fail because that would make her feel better. That's fucked up and that's truly where she decided she wasn't going to that fucking party. I even remember grudlian, Cinco, and I noticing that she was slinging some mud during that fight too but for some reason I think we all agreed that those lines right there was when Jaime lost that fight.

I might, but I can't remember if they work on Rabbit because they are an HBO owned channel and HBO and Rabbit do not get along. I'll see if my mom still has her subscription and test it out for y'all. I should be free this Friday to host!

I'm not sure I can break this up like we used to and comment on each thing so I will try to make this as coherent as possible lol! I don't think anyone ever really said they weren't equal though. If my memory serves me correctly I think it's that these characters didn't see themselves as equal in any sense except when they first met. I think Cathy consistently thought she was more talented than Jaime (which I would actually agree based on the very limited knowledge we have of his writing skills) and Jaime thought he was better than Cathy because he had gotten the success. I think most of us question the way this movie presents this relationship because it is very clear that they make the dissolving of their love a "two-way street" but like you said, Cathy is willing to work for them. She's willing to move forward and grow and be okay, but Jaime isn't. He has absolutely no desire to put in any work seemingly from the moment they tie the knot almost. I think there was a honeymoon period obviously because the first song about Ohio is post wedding we find out, but that is also from Cathy's point of view and she seems rather blindsided by his betrayal and him leaving. In that sense this was definitely not a two way street. Sure every story has two sides but from what this movie presents us one of those sides is definitely easier to side with than the other. There was a lot of comparisons to La La Land for me, but really I could actually see La La Land as a better example of the two sides to every story than this one. Also by the time we see Cathy pleading to not go to this party, she seriously had already been to one hundred, and I understand your point which is why originally I was like I mean that's not really that big of a deal, but if you went to one hundred parties in your wife's honor and the whole time she ignored you while you stood at the bar and drank yourself silly that would probably eat at you until you begged to just stay home. If I truly thought it was important that my wife be there, and that she supported me, then yeah I would actually want her by my side instead of getting drunk as fuck in a corner alone. Actually this part of the movie is maybe the only part where there are two sides. Also, Jaime totally went about talking to her about all this the wrong way lol. I can't remember what he had said but it was soooo shitty that I literally was like aaand you killed it thanks Jaime she's definitely not going now. If he had just like taken a breath and actually listened to her and been like okay I hear you and I promise I won't ignore you, then maybe she would've been okay to go for him. That's really all you need sometimes is to be heard, and by that point Jaime was well beyond ever actually hearing Cathy. I just don't see what you're seeing ultimately. He was great literally until the moment they got married. The whole song about resisting temptation literally is all the proof that I need that it's not the success that changed him, he would've been this way regardless. It's really not that complicated. He's a fucking dick.

I'm not doubting that lol, but CakeBug said that it had already been mentioned in this thread so I swore I wasn't trying to be one of those people that tried to steal someone else's C&O! But I think that the amount of times we've seen this photo now has deceived us all lol.

No dude I'm serious lol. I skimmed the whole thing again and still didn't see someone note that very specific photo on the dresser so you gotta tell me where it was because I wanna see the post lol.

I hate to break it to you Cale, but Rabbit doesn't allow DVD streamings so that cuts out that option lol.

Wait noted where??? I looked through this whole thing to see if this had already been mentioned (swear I'm not trying to be one of those people).

Oh my god I can't believe I forgot about a huge continuity error that made me holler with laughter during the sex scene. Okay so while Emma Roberts is getting undressed she sees a photo on Hayden's dresser (that I am assuming was of his father?) and she immediately slaps it down so that they don't have to look at it again because she's totally ready to go to the bone zone. Well, the minute they start kissing and the camera follows them to the bed it pans over the dresser and that fucking photo is back up right with Hayden Senior looking down on them again. I was laughing so hard because I wouldn't have ever noticed that picture if they hadn't clearly pointed it out when she turned it face down. My friend was like, "Well clearly it was ghosts," which honestly would've been a way better movie.

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On Facebook I am in a group that combines fans of HDTGM and My Favorite Murder (appropriately titled My Favorite Balcony Monsters) and a girl posted that she actually lives above where they filmed there on the left above the empty retail space. She said Andrea Martin was really nice and that she was very starstruck. She also couldn't believe they had actually transformed the very real pizza place into a flower shop for the movie, and that she had to live above all that noise for so long lol.

Oh yeah I totally forgot about her in both of those. Nancy Drew was bad, but she was pretty good in AHS Coven. She pulled off that really confident bitchy type girl very well.

I truthfully had a conscious thought during their date scene that she is a terrible actress in this. Maybe just in general? I haven't seen her in too much so maybe she's actually really bad.

So not being Italian, nor Indian, I didn't have a great barometer for what was really just beyond the line of stereotype (obviously I can still see the stink of problematic characterizations from a mile away lol), but as a queer girl I was heavily bothered by the fact that once Luigi meets the one other gay man in this whole movie, who's also just flamboyant af, they immediately fall in love. Because apparently no other gay, bi, or pan men exist in this entire area so Luigi just hears his voice and is like OMG A GAY DUDE and that's it they're both kissing at that wedding in the final scene. Cool cool cool cool cool cool cool no doubt no doubt.

The friend I watched with said her family is from literally just outside of Naples!!! I believe it's also her great grandmother who came to America and she said her mother definitely had a more authentic cultural Italian childhood so there were a lot of things that carried over to her (definitely food and shit which makes me so jealous). There were a lot of things she would be like, "That's fake as fuck," but like she said that about this whole feud and then immediately was like, "Except my grandmother hasn't talked to her brother in 40 years so..." She was really not happy about that feud though lol. Like she definitely pointed out how shitty and stereotypical the music was but for some reason the whole reason for the feud really bothered her and she thought that was the most offensive part, but she then told me later she might be carrying over some feelings from her personal life haha. The part we laughed about the most was the way Emma Roberts said any Italian words. We now text each other "STU PEE DO" regularly and it makes me very happy lol.

I just described this movie to my coworker and he said he had actually already seen this exact movie on TV and then he sent me the IMDB link and holy shit y'all, this movie has literally already been covered 13 years before Canada decided to do it. I present to y'all - Pizza My Heart

Okay I just want to point out something that I could not let go of throughout my entire viewing of this movie. Hayden is ten years older than Emma Roberts. A fully blown decade and they wanted us all to believe that they grew up together. Now that's not where this post ends because I looked up someone else - Miss Perfection Alyssa Milano, and she is 9 years older than Hayden. This leading man is literally closer in age to the woman playing his love interest's mother.

Shocking turn of events - My Italian friend rated this higher than I did on Letterboxd! Not spoiling anything for the show I don't think but she gave 1 star for Alyssa as I did, 1 star for the Starbucks scenes, and 1 star for hiding wine in planters.