Elektra Boogaloo

I definitely think there are things to appreciate about it. It's incredibly difficult to get a movie made, to learn to do it all yourself, to market it and everything. I work in books and it's a lot easier to self-publish a novel or memoir than to get a movie made, and sometimes having done it is the only reward you need. Plus it has brought a lot of joy to people, whether that was the intended outcome or not. And Sestero said in the podcast he was able to go all over the world to film festivals, and was getting royalties. So I don't think making it was FUN for the cast and crew, but at least they were able to get something from it as well? (Although I suppose people like the real Sandy--who were not given credit for their work--might be justifiably miffed.) I meant I found it more likeable that in the movie Greg is very "yay you're doing your thing! Good for you!" and in the book he is not the original Mark and Tommy has to buy him a car to convince him to do it? Sure he was relentlessly pursued by Tommy and exhausted but... I don't know. I like how the movie character is a bit more of a dreamer. Like it's understandable in the book (which has a more mocking tone?) but I like what they did in the movie? Maybe I"m not being clear...

I just saw the Disaster Artist and it was $20 at this theater. I was annoyed but I hope Paul, June and Jason get some of that money. (Not just Franco.) I think I was the only nerd who stayed through the end credits because Paul said to in some interviews. That's the scene where Tommy Wiseau has the weird mustache. I think the movie made Sestero a bit more likeable. In the book he was very critical of Tommy and goes into "The Room" production being kind of already over it. (And I was like, "Dude, you can say no. No one is forcing you.") I liked him hoping the movie really would be good. Although in the book there is also a moment where they go see "The Talented Mr. Ripley" (because Greg's friends think Tommy is obsessed with Greg like Matt Damon in the movie) and after seeing it Tommy gets mad and decides to write his own movie. I would've liked that to be included. Maybe they couldn't get the rights? Sharon Stone was kind of wasted. But on the upside, Paul, Jason and June all had bigger parts than an Oscar Winner! Way to go, guys. The audience seemed to like it when Paul's character defends the Juliette Danielle character about not being able to treat women like that. Very 2018 feeling. FWIW, my trailers were Winchester (fucking weird), Shape of Water, Downsized (with the Mark Damon!), and a movie about a guy in foreign jail who becomes a fighter? I forget what that was called. Also "Game Night" and "Blockers." I hear June is in Blockers? I found the trailer disturbing.

I guess we're not getting Drop Dead Fred!

Melissa McCarthy told this insane story of Tommy Wiseau coming to her door selling copies of "The Room" on Jimmy Kimmel! IF Tommy came to my door I would call the cops. But I bet that's a collector's edition now. https://youtu.be/jibff9m0SjQ

Are they doing Valerian? Paul mentions it at the end.

Oh if Nebula & Gamora don't get to kill Thanos I will riot. He has no connection to anyone else. Who cares?

I am not a fan of Thanos the character. Also not excited about like Darkseid in DC. They are kind of characters without a personality. But I do want Nebula to kill him, so I am upset she was not in the trailer. YouTube keeps recommending DISASTER ARTIST press tour stuff with Paul in it to me.

Am I allowed to start a thread even though I am not July? The episode is up. I am the asshole with the 'Fuck you. I watched this fucking movie, bro!" sign.

The Disaster Artist Cast recreate worst movie lines. Seth should be on to talk about XXX.

I'm good how are you, Cameron. I don't and I think the file is too big or something. Alas.

Er, I wanted to add a picture of my sign now that I'm back in my apartment, but I can't figure out how to upload it.

I guess I am not sure what HDTGM would add that hasn't already been said about this? But today I was wondering if the people in Troll 2 are pissed that Tommy Wiseau stole their title.

I didn't even know that was an existing song. I thought it was something they made up on the spot. It seems like all the "homages" are racist.

Sometimes we need a devil's advocate. Maybe add some more hoo-ahs! To your posts? Again, Bubba is the real hero. It should be about him. Would not be surprised to find he was like Molly's Lamaze partner and there in the delivery room. I missed this! But adds credence to the idea that Bubba is "The Jazz Singer" if he at least has shown interest in jazz. Can someone with better graphic making abilities than I make a fancy quote attributed to Sir Laurence, Baron Olivier, First of His Name or Whatever that is just "this piss is shit."??? I need it.

LOL at Cameron H defending this movie. Is it because you like how the white guy wasn't allowed in the Black club? (I forget which episode Paul called you a segregation fan in. Haha.) I agree with you that I saw Molly appreciate his talent but I never saw him be, like, appreciative or surprised or moved by that. Maybe Diamond was trying to say Molly got him so much better than Rivka but we never see what Rivka WANTS from him. I mean we know she doesn't like LA but she never, like, pleads to have kids or whatever. So like I saw why Molly was initially attracted to him (though I continue to be baffled as to why she stayed with him) but I didn't see why he liked her.

So he spent three months in LA and a year in TX? Why not make a movie about that? I mean I would think he'd be more of a fish out of water in TX than LA? (Assuming fewer Jewish people in Laredo, feel free to correct me.)

Also she was his manager so she would have been out of work when he left? How did she survive? I definitely would not have dealt with him on a professional level ever again. I believe this because Bubba looks out for Jess so much. I think he might just go around saving wayward white people. How awesome would it be if the baby had been mixed? I am relieved to hear people can think of better stories of Jewish identity. Because I worried that maybe Diamond was connected to the Jolson movie (even though it does not hold up) because there was so little portrayals of Jewishness on film. I mean, we joke about lots of Jews in entertainment but we rarely see movies with Jewish characters.

This is so true. It doesn't feel like "forbidden" love like the Second Opinion claimed. It was more like he couldn't be bothered to fuck anyone but the most convenient lady. Also, I know very little about Neil Diamond so I can't contribute to the "is this accurate" debate, but I did Google him when the movie was assigned and saw he did break up with his childhood sweetheart first wife for an assistant who became his second wife. (Not his last.) Oh this reminds me-can we talk about the baby? I would love to know what the filmmakers THINK the timeline of this movie is. Because no one acts like Neil Diamond has been away that long when he comes back from Texas. But that baby was, I think, like six months old? (Could definitely hold it's own head up.) So Molly carried the child for nine months and then raised it along for like six more and she isn't PISSED at all?? Like oh the man is back so I better cater to his whims now. Ugh. ETA:

Thanks for info on the original, Cam Bert and grudlian. I had never heard of it before I was forced to watch this one. I guess it makes more sense for the fame and religion to come into more conflict. But I bet Neil Diamond wasn't capable of showing the internal so struggle, maybe? As far as I can tell the biggest acting "choice" was growing a beard. I wish I could go back in time and put this on my sign. Aside: I originally had planned to do a sign that said "the theme song should be longer!" But I changed it after watching this.

Blast, do you know if the original Jazz Singer was well-received because I thought it was. But then I read your post comparing it to Birth of a Nation and I know that was a huge blockbuster and it was only later that people saw how problematic it was. I guess I thought the original Jazz Singer was still respected with an asterisk? (Although if it was respected except for the minstrel stuff why make that the one "homage"? Why not do a cover of one that music or have a photo of him somewhere?) I guess I can't figure out why Diamond didn't just write a new musical if he wrote the songs? Why did you do this to is, Neil Diamond?

I have a theory that Bubba is the real hero of the movie (because Neil Diamond sucks). June alluded to this when she said Diamond got ahead off the backs of White women and black men, but Bubba is also a singer. He is part of the Black face Band, obviously. And sings backup for Diamond in LA. What I find odd is the scene where Diamond and Molly are waiting around for Bubba's call. I believe she says Bubba has been bussing tables at a club and talked to the manager about an open slot. What makes NO SENSE is why he would not take that spot for himself. He is the one who works there, the one busting his hump (and presumably the one who could sing for the manager to prove his talent instead of just relying on a bus boy's word?). Then there is how awful Diamond is to Bubba. I mean yeah he does him a favor by singing in the Black face Group. But they do get arrested because of it. Then Diamond gets them FIRED from their initial backup gig, singing for that Billy Idol-wannabe. I would say he owes Diamond NOTHING at that point. Yet he secures the gig for Diamond. Then gets treated like shit by Diamond in the recording session. And despite this he travels ACROSS THE COUNTRY to bring him home when they find him in Texas. I think this is above and beyond. So Bubba must be the hero, right? Maybe he even sings Jazz and that is why the movie is called the Jazz Singer?

Yeah I was like, "No, Betty White with an urn of ashes!" Thank God. Anyway back to Jazz Singer. I watched it awhile ago obvs. I remember thinking it was boring in parts (like a giant Neil Diamond concert movie) but odds bits have stuck in my head and will not go away. His hair. His glittery top. The very old baby. Not sure why it has staying power.

I think it was always offensive to black people, the mainstream media just didn't care.

He is in Black face in the first 15 minutes! Not that crazy? And also Sir Laurence is WAY over the top. He's got that "the guy I am opposite is giving me nothing so I am going to do everything" Pretzie disease. (Why did they cast him as a Jewish father?) My face Sir Laurence is when they are at the end concert (which goes on for like half an hour) and when the people clap, he looks around like "what are they doing here?"

"Iron Fist" actively mad me angry. No way you could fall asleep. But I bet the acting in "Punisher" is better, for example. It depends how you define bad. Also I came to say I just saw Paul's face on the Hollywood Reporter! James Franco mentions the podcast in the article. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disaster-artists-james-franco-casting-famous-friends-avoiding-parody-pitfalls-1056965