Episode 101 - Shakespeare in Love (w/ David Ehrlich)
Posted 07 May 2017 - 10:49 PM
Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:18 AM
Not having seen this since the theatrical release, I was reminded what a tight, clever, well acted movie it is. On some level wanting to include it in the Canon is a slight corrective vote, if only because there are a lot of movies in there because they’re super fun, but those tend to genre fare (don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Re-Animator as much as the next guy). But yeah, this one is super charming and my yes vote is mostly without regret.
Two side notes:
- How did they not mention Geoffrey Rush’s totally ridiculous (and very entertaining) scenery shewing turn? He we SO broad, but killed it.
- Being dismissed next to Private Ryan always bugged me as, in a LOT of ways, this is actually a better constructed movie and just as impressive a feat (if not as loud about how it goes about it). It feels to me like people are snowed by the incredible opening sequence and forget some of the other glaring issues; i.e. the god awful framing narrative, clichéd characters (southern crack shot anyone? Gruff captain with a heart of gold, so on) and the jaw droppingly misjudged/cruel speech that Matt Damon gives about the ugly girl his brother gave him as a “present”. Ewwwwwwww.
Edited by tabletopjoe, 08 May 2017 - 07:19 AM.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:48 AM
SPR has the advantage of Spielberg, meaning that as many issues as the script may have, they are covered up by bravura filmmaking left and right.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:11 AM
Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:18 AM
On a semi-related note, has anyone ever pitched Anne Hathway on starring as Anne Hathaway in a similar historical romantic dramedy that tells the story of how she and Shakespeare got together?
Posted 08 May 2017 - 11:59 AM
As a young theater major who knew would never be a professional actor and so was beginning to dabble into playwrighting, who then didn't pick it up seriously until 10 years later, this movie spoke to me at the time. Revisiting it as a struggling, "unsuccessful" (depending on how you define success) playwright, it still holds up for me.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 03:34 PM
Posted 08 May 2017 - 03:46 PM
"Middlebrow" is just what I thought. Not so dumb that Anthony Jeselnik can mock them for being unfamiliar with Shakespeare, but dropping lots of well known lines & titles so such people can feel smart for recognizing them.
I was disappointed in part because Stoppard's Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead was a fantastic "fan fiction" which also explored a lot of more post-modern ideas in an entertaining way. And it's not just Marlowe in this film: the religious fuddy-duddy says the Rose theater "by any other name" would be just as foul. Shakespeare seems to take names & ideas from a number of characters.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 04:53 PM
On a whole, this movie was like eating a peanut butter sandwich. It's not terrible, but there are so many better sandwiches out there.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 06:21 PM
None of this means the movie is bad, but I don't think any of it was spectacular enough to overcome those. I still laughed at a good number of moments in the film (Tom Wilkinson loving being an actor I thought was great), and Gwyneth Paltrow managed to make the romance pretty endearing by herself, but I still have to say no.
Please let this be an end to the La La Land bashing, at least for a while. It's getting old.
EDIT: Accidental early submission
Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:37 PM
Speaking again as a playwright thats what we (or at least I do) nuggets of ideas here and a turn of a phrase tjere and a name over there. Just today i finished up a writing project and sent it off to someone. He called me with we talked out some ideas, like Marlowe and Ned both do with Will. It all just really rings true to me.
I know this is probably a losing battle. SiL is the film that beat SPR. It has a rep for being overally sweet and sentimental. It isnt as smart as Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead, but it just works for me.
Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:50 PM
I'm leaning this way too, but might give the movie another watch this week to see how it plays (it's on Netflix!).
The movie doesn't deserve the slagging it gets, but I'm not sure it's great or important enough to be Canon.
Posted 09 May 2017 - 06:50 AM
Amy should start a La La Land podcast already. Fans of the movie will download it, and then she can shame them for an hour. Good times.
Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:20 AM
So a hard no for me.
This all made me excited for the idea of more actual Shakespeare in the future though. Polanski's MacBeth vs Throne of Blood would be a dream episode.